Government set to shut down as Sen. Cornyn says no vote (UP: shutdown started)
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Trump still needs to sign it. The House and Senate can pass every bill they want. Ryan is on the way out so I guess he's just sticking to his pussy, milquetoast routine until the bitter end.
Ryan is trash who's wanted to destroy Medicare and Social Security since he was in COLLEGE.
Expecting anything even remotely good from him is like expecting to be a multiple powerball winner.
Wouldn't they be able to override a veto if they just went with the No-Wall funding bill?
I forget whatever the latest rules are, but I think they'd need 61 votes to be veto proof. There is no way in hell they're getting that, especially with over half of the GOP senators having left DC early.
Half the GOP plus most of the Democrats would give them 60, though I'm not sure if Democrats would want to give Trump the opportunity to claim any kind of victory.
Oh give it a rest. This is nonsensical. I’m all about looking at situations objectively, but give us a break. There’s really no need to both sides any situation simply for the sake of doing so. A shit sandwich is sometimes just that.
I was about to say they have the votes, till you reminded me more than half of congress went home. For once I'm actually curious to see what the Republicans spin will be tomorrow. Though I assume it'll be blaming the democrats just like Trump was doing.
Listen man, I don't want to dogpile on you - I really don't. But you've been proven to be factually incorrect. It's OK to admit fault and issue a mea culpa. We'll all forget about this thread by tomorrow night anyway.
Sorry, not a native speaker, but Trump now tweets a lot about „BORDER SECURITY“. Is that somehow connected to „BOARDER SECURITY“?
No, he is referring to the border between the US and Mexico. Because he's a racist who thinks all Mexican and South American immigrants are drug dealers, drug mules, or gang members.
Border security is code for his giant wall he wants to build along the Mexican-US border. It has nothing to do with security or anything else so much as his ego stroking wall.
He can't claim victory if he doesn't get wall funding. I mean, he can, but it won't matter. Fox news and Rush Limbaugh and Anne Coulter literally turned on him over him not getting money for the wall. That's the reason he decided to shut things down.
I honestly don't know how this ends and I don't see a path out because Trump is stubborn and doesn't care about people or the country and Democrats (rightly) won't agree to fund a wall. We're in completely uncharted waters.
It ends when the Senate bill that was proposed in January is reintroduced with the new Congress, and speaker Pelosi actually lets the House vote on it unlike Cowardly Ryan. Veto-proof majority lets president baby say it's not his fault the establishment doesn't want the wall. He keeps his diehard supporters without actually having to do anything, the rest of us keep our sanity.
boogie isn't a moderate. his political affiliation is dumpster fire with a side of nazi symp
I'll never forget how he got banned on GAF due to caping for Gamergate.
I suspect Trump would love to hold the record. At least his name would be remembered for a long time.
I guess people remember when he was popular at GAF? I remember a bunch of positive Boogie threads on the Gaming side.
Because his quote about meeting in the middle with Nazis is easily the best quote to think about when dealing with so called moderates wanting to compromise with the alt right or the current state of the Republican party.
No, at a minimum I think they said they needed 20 billion and I have a hard time believing even that would cover it.
Indeed, I definitely did not articulate what I was going for. As a result of that, yup, gotta back down and apologize this time :). I wish I was better at explaining myself sometimes lol.
This time was not that time, so yes, I'll pack it up and take the loss :D
Estimates vary. Can be as high as 70 billion. Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-border-wall-billions-unseen-costs-gao-report-2018-8
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5 billion is still a lot. Would help if that was put into education, healthcare/Medicaid, healthcare, or even infrastructure.
Wouldn't even come close. The only thing I can see is that Trump is pitifully hoping to force through a pseudo-victory he can claim to his base when nothing real would be done, or the hope is that he gets this money now, gets the wall started, and then uses the fact that -something- has been done as a way to try and force more money towards it next year.
Isn't the 5Billion just trump's public dollar value? And while in the broad scheme of the US government it's not the biggest amount, that amount could go to literally anything else and be more useful. Health care, education, helping the homeless, etc. Instead a big cement/steel wall for Trumpy
More like a trillion. I dont think people appreciate the scale. Driving from Brownsville to LA is like 30 hours of highway. Also a lot of the border are mountains/hills/desert.
With that kind of money we could build enough wind and solar farms to make a huge jump towards 100% renewables.
He’ll you could probably fix a lot of public schools with that money too.
God imagine having a country that gave a shit about the future?
We could allocate an extra 5 billion towards programs (not you know, cutting them) and people that truly need it, instead of xenophobic structures that will always be a burden.
It's infuriating to think about all the good we could do if so many people weren't shitheels.
It's infuriating to think about all the good we could do if so many people weren't shitheels.
Multiply by ten and you still wouldn't be close. Trump has gotten fixated on this 5 billion number recently, but even during the campaign at the height of his self-fellating bullshit he claimed he could build it for 10 billion. Last shutdown the WH was demanding 25 billion for it, and even conservative estimates for such an endeavor are upwards of 70, if not 100 billion.
I think the 5 billion is more about getting an amount specifically for such a wall, to point to as it "starting". Even though it wouldn't even cover the cost of the access roads and land puchased required to get to the parts to start planning construction, let alone building it.
If he doesn't get money for it now, it will never happen in any capacity, period, because the Dem House coming in January will never bring forth a bill that includes it. So it's now or never with this last minute tantrum, which will also fail.
It seems like to me, you are still trying to work you way out of it by blaming your communication skills and not the fact that your logic top to bottom was wrong. Your entire premise was wrong. Literally every thought you had following reading the news about this specific topic was incorrect factually. It wasn’t your communication man, it was the fact that you were just flat out wrong. You can own that without blaming how you said what you said. There’s no way to correctly present completely false information.
Brainwashed might have been a strong word a week ago. Buy now that republican voters are literally trying to crowdfund THE WALL, I’d say it’s apt.
Brainwashed implies they aren't fully responsible for their actions.
They know fully well they're racist shit bags and enjoy it.
Never give conservatives the benefit of the doubt.
I don’t think the two are mutually exclusive. Republicans are so comedically inept and unable to reflect inwards on the hypocracy of their actions that I don’t even think they fully appreciate how moronic they are. Even though at their core they are often misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic, “inset x”-phobic, etc, I think you can only get there both by being a horrible person, but also by being raised by horrible people, watching horrible Fox News, and more.
True. It's easy to be a moderate when you can safely say, "Look, if they want to kill you, why don't you just let them HALF kill you? Don't be a jerk, compromise!"
People that can criticize other people for not agreeing to be half-killed in compromise aren't actually in the fight. It's why they find it so much easier to say, "Oh, just roll over and stop filling up my feed with your bad news, I don't want to hear it anymore."
Of course in Boogie's case, when it came to something that did personally affect him, like fat shaming, then suddenly there was ZERO compromise, and that evil has to be Fought & Defeated.