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GoW Ragnarok interview with Eric Williams & Barlog
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I've been curious who the new director is with Barlog stepping out so I'll definitely be watching this later. Cheers.
Summary
poklane made this short summary in the PS thread:
I'll add that around the 22m mark Eric says that he thinks people will be very impressed when they see the finished cast of npcs, story characters and enemies.
I'll add that around the 22m mark Eric says that he thinks people will be very impressed when they see the finished cast of npcs, story characters and enemies.
Could always do some time skips.
Or time travel as the last game hinted at.
So they apologize for the lack of enemy variety in the last game but then say they'll be back in Ragnarok? :P I assume they mean they'll as more variety but sounds funny the way it's summarized.
Well it could just be end of this story arc, doesn't mean we won't ever see Atreus again. (or Kratos for that matter).
Anyway ending on this game will mean they will likely go big and out with a bang. Can't wait to see it lol
Yes, obviously we'll get plenty of brand new enemies as well like the trailer already shows, but they'll also be bringing back some enemies from the 2018 game.
I think it's just that previous enemies will be returning with new stuff as well.
Thank you for posting, this, Definitely some new info.
Cory's explanation for why they're wrapping the Norse arc in 2 instead of 3 games made sense, even if it made me think we're looking at 2nd half 2022 release at the earliest.
They seemed to also hint that
will be back in a big way so that makes me very happy.
Loved the LOST shade too lol
Cory's explanation for why they're wrapping the Norse arc in 2 instead of 3 games made sense, even if it made me think we're looking at 2nd half 2022 release at the earliest.
They seemed to also hint that
the big bird in Helheim
Loved the LOST shade too lol
I think the post with the summary didn't completly understand what Eric said. He said that when making GOW 2018 they were conscious of the lack enemies and wanted to have more, but that several of them that didn't make the cut because they had to wrap the game will be in the sequel.
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I thought this was suppose to be a trilogy, but I completely understand the reasons behind only doing two games. Let's see how the story ends and then what Cory is working on. To me it seems from how he talked after the showcase that it's another GoW and I am totally fine with that. There are definitely more stories to tell, even though this one will finish with Ragnarok.
Doing time skips while maintaining 1 continuous shot would be a challenge, not impossible ofc
While I understand the reasoning here, Cory confirms that the first game was written as the first third of the story rather than the first half and then they decided to cut it short after realizing how long a trilogy would take. They have a LOT of Norse ground to cover with just one more game so I really hope it all comes together in a satisfying way instead of feeling rushed and truncated.
Work on the sequel probably started before GoW 2018 was released (planning, art, etc)
Just by the reveal trailer, they already added something like 10 completely new enemy types, and that's just the tip of the iceberg
I don't think that a new IP by the main creative credited for the successful reboot of GoW would be delegated to "smaller project" status.
That doesn't translate to "15 years to tell a story". And they said they start talking after GoW launched.
So they will get bigger like insominiac ? Because it seems to me that GOW will not stop so soon haha
The fact that Norse saga will end with the 2nd game means they can afford to "take their time" with the post-Norse games ( you know, reinventing the look and feel of the franchise again with a new setting ), and what will SSM work on while they figure that out?
Cory's new game.
given the fact that many things got scrapped for GoW 2018 it would be kinda naive to think that that wouldnt be sequel-material :P
They can still cover some plot points after the Norse setting. The story will continue.
that's likely
Did Barlog also direct the Tomb Raider reboot? I am looking forward to his next project.
Consider we only killed 1ļ¼or 3ļ¼ of the gods in the 2018 GOW, it means that we had to kill most of the Norse gods in 2nd one feels a little bit rushed.
Consider we only killed 1ļ¼or 3ļ¼ of the gods in the 2018 GOW, it means that we had to kill most of the Norse gods in 2nd one feels a little bit rushed.
Easy enough: Kratos and Atreus return home. Atreus sets down his bow. The camera pulls forward, framing the bow for a few seconds in silence, before it is grabbed again by an unseen hand. The camera pulls back and follows the bow up to a now older Atreus. The camera rotates around our older Atreus as he addresses his father, who now wears reading glasses. He wears them for the rest of the game.
I don't think he'll kill every Norse god lol. Why would he? Kratos doesn't go around killing gods just for the sake of it. He'll only kill those who basically ask for it.
Cinematic direction only. He was originally tapped to direct ROTR but he got poached back to Sony before that could happen.
The franchise isn't a god-killing gauntlet anymore. Especially with the game still being single-cut, that means plenty of casualties will be "off-screen" imo and you're only focused on Kratos's core enemies.
lol at the visual.
I feel like moving Kratos and Atreus out of frame completely would be cheating, at that point, it's basically a cut.
I was imagining something like a Zelda LTTP Dark World transition where you stay in the same position on screen but the world around you changes
Two games in the Norse saga is perfect. Not too long, not too short. The more I think about Ragnarok, the more excited I get. Hope it releases in fall 2022 or winter 2022/2023. It's a game I want to play cuddled up with some coffee/tea while it's rainy and windy outside.
Looking forward to see what kind of gods we'll be fighting next time. Aztec would be cool, or atleast a setting that's not been explored much.
Looking forward to see what kind of gods we'll be fighting next time. Aztec would be cool, or atleast a setting that's not been explored much.
I think that Kratos will fight only Freya and Thor. The rest of the main bosses will not be gods, but beasts like the giant bird of Hellheim.
Don't know what they are planning for Odine. Probably the last boss, but controlling Atreus. Or maybe they are preserving him for a new game with a larger scope (multi-pantheons, so Athena could return too)
It's hard to know at this stage if two games is enough, but from a game-design standpoint it's the right choice.
I don't agree with the some of the sentiment that Ragnarok doesn't feel like a sufficient leap sequel-wise, but it's definitely an iterative sequel.
IMO a lot of "trilogies" rarely have a 3rd game that substantially adds enough to the foundation. The same-miness starts to kick in at that point.
Ending the Norse trilogy with a polished iterative upgrade to the core systems of GoW2018, then move on to all-new locale/setting/weapons/game-design reconsideration/etc for a new mythology.
I don't agree with the some of the sentiment that Ragnarok doesn't feel like a sufficient leap sequel-wise, but it's definitely an iterative sequel.
IMO a lot of "trilogies" rarely have a 3rd game that substantially adds enough to the foundation. The same-miness starts to kick in at that point.
Ending the Norse trilogy with a polished iterative upgrade to the core systems of GoW2018, then move on to all-new locale/setting/weapons/game-design reconsideration/etc for a new mythology.
On the one hand I think it's a good idea to wrap it up with the second game. On the other the first felt like an incredibly long prologue so I hope they really amp stuff up this time.
You're reading too deeply into it.
The general idea is that games take a long time to make, and Cory's personal view as a director/creative is that he doesn't want the story to be needlesly long for length's sake.
As opposed to stories that hasn't concluded even after 20 years.
His point is basically ''A trilogy would take a long ass time'', it'll be 4 years between GOW and GOWR, a hypothetical GOW 3 in the Norse mythology taking 3 to 4 years to make would be 12-13 years in total.
I'm sure this will be a great solid game just like the first. The only two things I want is for the story to be better written and that they don't fuck up Tyr's character. The contrast between his exploits and Kratos was the only standout writing in 2018.
While I agree that 2 games is perfectly fine and we don't need this to span 13-15 years it's really easy to do a 3rd one that plays differently. The story even sets it up at the end of 1.
Time skips wouldn't be that hard actually. Just pan up from Kratos and Atreus at a campsite to view the sky and landscape then have several days pass by in high speed before panning down to show a much more lived in campsite or the duo packed and ready to go for the next leg of their journey. Maybe SSM considers that cheating in some fashion since it takes the focus off of Kratos and Atreus.
This is a pretty fair reason overall, but when it says it's gonna wrap up the Norse Saga, does this mean it's going to wrap up this narrative arc? Because if they mean that GoW: R is going to mark another end of the series, and the next game is going to start it's own Saga elsewhere, fine. But if not, and we are going to get Kratos and Atreus finishing the narrative arcs as in a usual trilogy, but with the norse saga concluded, then what they're probably gonna do is have a hodge podge of the other mythologies, maybe using them as different 'worlds' with a neutral hub area the same way GoW used the realms as different levels with the lake of nine as the hub. And that strikes me as incredibly lame and shitty to do, because it will necessitate that we don't get a full exploration of the settings and characters of other mythologies.
I just don't want to have a fully realized adventure of the Greek Saga, and then a fully realized adventure of the Norse Saga, then have a cliffnotes version of everything else.
Have they confirmed they are doing the 1 continuos shot again? I think it was cool they (kinda) did it for the first game, but I'm not sure how I feel about them doing it again.
Great reasoning, which more creators in other mediums thought like that. Especially when you don't know if you might not get to finish what you start due to some exec wanting to make waves