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Grant Morrison Opens Up About Feuding With Alan Moore and Why He Still Doesn't Like Watchmen
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He's British. I don't know if it really makes a difference, but to my ears comparing an adult writer to a sixth former is a nasty insult.
I've never felt Morrison engages very heavily in propaganda.
Supreme and Tom Strong are both superb comics. I need to read the rest of his ABC stuff.
You're pretty much right on the nose, at least in my opinion. For as much as they try and distance each other sometimes, they can seem very similar.
I somewhat agree with the criticism, although that doesnt sink the work for me. It's more a flaw with the vision as a whole than the execution.
Now give up more dirt on Mr. Millar. That's what I really wanna see.
Now give up more dirt on Mr. Millar. That's what I really wanna see.
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I read recently that Millar was Morrison's protege and I couldn't believe it. I would love to hear some of his honest thoughts on Millar's work.
Morrison's needs to get over his obsession with Moore already. When he's still writing stuff like Pax Americana that reads like it's meant to be a big "fuck you" to Moore, it's clear Morrison has yet to get over it as much as he claims he has.
Also, Moore was 100% correct about Arkham Asylum.
Agree. Moore's Supreme run is still the best Superman run there never was.
Also, Moore was 100% correct about Arkham Asylum.
Agree. Moore's Supreme run is still the best Superman run there never was.
Im pretty sure morrison said that he hopes to run into millar in glasgow "preferably while im driving 100 mph when it happens" or something like that lmao
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Actually I did find this quote from Morrison about Milar:
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This Supreme love is great to see! It's always been one of my favorite all-time comic runs but I feel like most have no idea what I'm referring to whenever I'd brought it up in the past, haha. It is a shame that it never got a proper conclusion...I think Moore's final scripts did end up getting drawn and published eventually, but I've never gone back to check them, doesn't seem like it would feel the same.
As for the other ABC stuff, a lot of people love Promethea and Top 10. I didn't. :lol But I did like some of the Tomorrow Stories stuff.
IIRC, they worked together earlier in Millar's career -- they co-write a brief Flash run together and Morrison gave him the idea for Red Son's ending (unsurprisingly, the best part of that book wasn't even Millar's).
Considering Millar has been writing trash for years, is more interested in creating comics that serve mainly as thinly veiled movie pitches, and seems to be a major egomaniac (his brand is called Millarworld!) I'm not surprised he rubs Morrison, or any writer, the wrong way.
He wrote Holy Terror. I don't think nothing more needs to be said.
Edit: Ok, on second thought I'd like to see anyone rip on Sin City. People overhype it as some noir masterpiece.
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More people associate Supreme with Liefeld than with Moore: you tend to get a different reaction from those folks- lol
Personally, I loved Top 10. As weird as they were, those characters just came alive for me. The genre mash-up that composed the city also had, for me, a great Futurama-as-police-procedural feel.
Promethea didn't grab me. But I was reading it in digital form on my tablet, and I've heard that the visuals really need to be seen in a large format, like the Absolute edition. I may look into the Deluxe edition coming out next year.
Moore is so much more (haha) than Watchmen. It was Miracleman that really made me hunt down his other work. The stuff he did with DC- particularly his Green Lantern work and things like "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" is really top-notch. And that Swamp Thing run is still super readable.
Ive never heard of claremont ripping on anybody, which is amazing considering the amount of shit John Byrne talks about him.
There's a collected Alan Moore DC Universe set collecting a lot of his one-offs, worth looking for.
Watchmen to this day stands as a movie way ahead of it's time. Even Chris Nolan acknowledged it!
Bryne seems like the type of dude where even Santa Claus has a " This motherfucker" story about him
Yeah, and Moore never gets on the page of his comics yelling "Look at me! Look at me!", but you were asking about how art saying something is bad. It isn't, but, nevertheless, art that feels like it has a message it wants to shove down your throat is frustrating to read. I get that more from Morrisons work than I ever did with Moore.
Superman Beyond was very good. I'm sorry you bought the glasses though.
Hahahaha, imagine the balls to write Animal Man and then call out another writer for drawing attention to themselves and acting "clever." I like Grant Morrison's work but come the fuck on.
man, Promethea is such a weird thing of its own that I don't understand any overlap between liking it and other ABC comics.
I like both Morrison and Moore. Both have done incredible work. Both have done a few misfires.
I like reading about these feuds as its fun and gives some insight into their personalities but I'm not going to invest myself into picking a side. Like many feuds of this nature it drives those involved to try harder, so in the end the fans are the ones that win.
Having said that, gun to the head... probably gotta go with Morrison. He seems more passionate about the comic industry and he seems like a cool guy to hang out with based on that documentary made about him a few years back.
I like reading about these feuds as its fun and gives some insight into their personalities but I'm not going to invest myself into picking a side. Like many feuds of this nature it drives those involved to try harder, so in the end the fans are the ones that win.
Having said that, gun to the head... probably gotta go with Morrison. He seems more passionate about the comic industry and he seems like a cool guy to hang out with based on that documentary made about him a few years back.
I'm convinced Moore and Morrison are the same person who alternates between being bald and wearing a spy disguise beard he bought out of the back of an old comic book.
Considering Morrison's self-medication he may have forgotten he wrote that.
Considering Morrison's self-medication he may have forgotten he wrote that.
I love them both so much. It doesn't surprise me that they have this long standing feud.
And of COURSE he's a Twin Peaks fan. :D
And of COURSE he's a Twin Peaks fan. :D
There's a pretty vast difference between Moore and Morrison.
Like, if Morrisonn thinks Moore's writing is trash what exactly does that make his writing?
Like, if Morrisonn thinks Moore's writing is trash what exactly does that make his writing?
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He's hit or miss for me-but at least he sets his sights high and tries to do something different. I can respect that even if I don't always like it. Sheriff of Babylon was great.
I'm ready for him to leave Batman already.
I love them both and think their writing in better moments is unparralelled. If pressed I would say I'm a Morrison guy because his work at least recently is much more optimistic. I just prefer that.
Final Crisis was literally a middle finger to Moore's style of storytelling.
Okay. I don't understand. How is sixth form highbrow? I, like many, were in sixth form once and it wasn't anything inherently special. Slightly better than college, aye.
I actually don't have an opinion on the matter, I just thought the gif would be funny.
Morrison is speaking off the cuff here, so nobody should respect this bitching as some sort of higher criticism. Even with that in mind I disagree with his points.
Ozymandias being considered "the world's smarted man" is hardly unchallenged by the world of Watchmen and is given that reputation to be knocked down in the end. That's hardly the hubris of the author. It's part of common storytelling. He's defeated by his own self righteousness and a criminal who always dismissed his intelligence. It's used to illustrate major themes of Watchmen.
Ozymandias being considered "the world's smarted man" is hardly unchallenged by the world of Watchmen and is given that reputation to be knocked down in the end. That's hardly the hubris of the author. It's part of common storytelling. He's defeated by his own self righteousness and a criminal who always dismissed his intelligence. It's used to illustrate major themes of Watchmen.
Morrison believes in the type of magic that wishing it becomes real, so I think to him sharing his ideals through proper storytelling is someone makiong things real in their own way.
"There's a tension between us based on past history, but not… what you say isn't necessarily true, I don't want to say bad things about people like Mark and anyone but yes Kick Ass was made, Wanted was made, there are no other films any more made than say Joe The Barbarian and We3 which are all in the same state of production with directors attached, with screenplays…
"Hollywood doesn't work that way, you can't walk in a room, and he doesn't… you know I live in Hollywood, I live here four months of the year and I can know what goes on, there aren't 200 million dollars films being made, what can I say… I don't really want to say… I don't want to come out against somebody who will see it as an attack, it's all too easy to do.
"Mark has to make a certain smoke screen of himself, to look a certain way you know. Look at sales of Ultimates Comics Ultimates Vs Ultimate Avengers… that's what it's all about right now…
"I wish him well but there's not good feeling between myself and Mark for many reasons most of which are he destroyed my faith in human fucking nature."
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/06/29/grant-morrison-on-the-mark-millar-question/
I've read waaaay too much 2000AD and Vertigo books to pick a side.
Still don't like Watchmen. At all.
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