You do realize that human beings actively choose the hills they are willing to die on, and that said choice tells you something about said human being, right?
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Greg Miller and Andrea Rene handwave Notch and PewDiePie racist, transphobic and anti-semitic behaviour (UP: GM and AR respond; see threadmarks)
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Nice to be proven that behind all the "aww shucks, I love videogames" persona, is a garbage human being. "Will innocent people die? Oh wells, as long as its not me".
Yea I just went to her Twitter she follows this fucker. So she is very informed on his takes unless she just recently followed him on Monday ironically, but that's me going through way too many mental gymnastics to justify her. She knows he's a bigot is she following him to keep her finger on the pulse or because she agrees? I'm about to just email what's good for a response see what happens.
Yeah sorry I wasn't suggesting they made up. I was saying that Greg wanted to move on from Colin, as in not stay in contact.
They are both west coast "influencers". They will never take a hard stancr on these issues, because they don't want to get blacklisted or shoot down the opportunity to someday perhaps collaborate with people like Notch and Pewdiepie.
It's cowardly behavior imo.
It's cowardly behavior imo.
If you could prove to me that PDP was actually just a moron who didn't realize he was using dog whistles and got in too deep with the meme bullshit but didn't actually believe any of it I could believe it. It doesn't make it great but there we are. I don't think that's whats going on (the n-word thing goes a long way toward that), but I could see it. But Notch? lol fuck no. He's all in.
To be fair that was Greg doing it she was just correcting him when he acted like he didn't know what the group is designated.
No no, I meant On Topic...I agree he made the right call not responding to Colin, I was referring to the issue of the Notch discussion he had with Andrea, he needs to make that right
G The Sky is blue
R Hmmm
G You don't think so?
R I'm not saying it isn't, but that's really your opinion to say it is.
And so go goes every interaction with Andrea on KF. She argues the dumbest shit for who knows what reasons.
Holy shit.
They actually pulled the both sides shit, and used SJW unironically as being as bad as the alt right?
Why can't people just be unequivocally against bigotry, why isn't this simple?
Agreed.
Half the reason GamerGate was so effective is because many gaming personalities simply don't give a shit.
"It doesn't affect me, so it doesn't exist."
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Every single time I hear Andrea Rene speak she seems more and more like an oblivious simpleton.
I don't understand how she keeps getting work.
Sometimes a turd is just a turd.
But don't let that stop your thorough investigation of whether this time privileged white people are not just doing what they do best.
How is saying 'SJW vs bad people' putting them on the same side? It's literally the exact opposite. His implication is clearly that anti-SJW's are bad people.
Oh hey, it's two dumb cunts talking and showing how trash they really are! Being serious for a second, both of these are oppressed with being in the centre of every topic and pleasing everybody. Andrea has always been at it.
Absolutely no time for either of those people.
Absolutely no time for either of those people.
So, if i punch you in the face and then apologize. And then punch you again and apologize. And then keep punching you in the face and apologizing. We're good?
Embal
Yup, just embarrassing tbh but not surprising with how long Greg turned a blind eye to Colin's nonsense
Yup, just embarrassing tbh but not surprising with how long Greg turned a blind eye to Colin's nonsense
What do you want out of the question?
Complicated? Success doesn't mean you're above criticism. In fact, those with success and power need to be held to account and if their actions are awful, then that needs to be highlighted.
Notch has expressed views that rightly have brought wide condemnation. That's not complicated, that's a logical response to someone who has brought far right views to millions of followers, including the old, racist trope of eugenics.
To say "Well Notch didn't want to take part in the Minecraft anniversary anyway and MS are just virtue signalling" when refering to this is giving credence to Notch and making it out as a simple difference of opinion instead of a rejection of bigotry.
We shouldn't be making excuses for behaviour that harms others. Think first of those hurt by bigotry and stop letting those who do cause harm to then receive sympathy for the backlash they receive.
Yup I get your point but comparing wreckless comments to being punched in the face? Your mind is made up on this subject and you will hear nothing else on the matter if your willing equate punching someone in the face to making an offhand comment.
We must lower the bar for how much the death penalty is used... This guy, the signs were there all along on how garbage he is.
After reading that transcript they both come off really badly. Gregg started out OK but once you start criticising Internet culture as simply us vs them and sjws vs bad guys you have already lost any credibility I may have had for you. Its a right wing defence to prevent people from highlighting bigoted shit that bigots do/say.
Andrea just comes across as not a nice person who is willing to ignore all the horrible shit someone has done and still defend them.
Seriously, for subjects like this you need to not only be informed about the news story but also the societal context surrounding the issue. You can't just handwave bigoted shit away when anyone who follows politics will tell you that right wing extremism is hugely on the rise and how they work to mainstream their views (jokes, false equivalency, hidden meaning, escalation of comments etc).
On a seperate note, for all those who say 'but PDP said he is sorry' fuck that. If you actually watch any of his apology videos you will know that he only does them when mainstream media picks the story up and then out of the 15 minute video he will spend 30 seconds saying he is sorry and spend the rest of the video complaining about how the media are out to get him and are just afraid of new media taking over.
Andrea just comes across as not a nice person who is willing to ignore all the horrible shit someone has done and still defend them.
Seriously, for subjects like this you need to not only be informed about the news story but also the societal context surrounding the issue. You can't just handwave bigoted shit away when anyone who follows politics will tell you that right wing extremism is hugely on the rise and how they work to mainstream their views (jokes, false equivalency, hidden meaning, escalation of comments etc).
On a seperate note, for all those who say 'but PDP said he is sorry' fuck that. If you actually watch any of his apology videos you will know that he only does them when mainstream media picks the story up and then out of the 15 minute video he will spend 30 seconds saying he is sorry and spend the rest of the video complaining about how the media are out to get him and are just afraid of new media taking over.
Welcome to the games industry, where white liberals will act really nice to alt-right assholes and hope that maybe the assholes will stop being assholes for a little while so they can both work together and make a lot of money.
Yeah, internet celebrities/talking heads in a nutshell.
Dumb cunts talking shit without any thought.
Use an un-filtered search service if you really want to do research outside your own bubble.
Seems your mind is made up by calling them "offhand comments" too.
Read the whole quote
It's saying that the internet is all about "picking sides" creating drama in every turn.
It's saying that people choose "good" or "bad" as black and white terms. And the implication is that those on the "good" side are just as bad because they're just creating fights and drama.
Instead of, you know, fighting bigotry.
It's s classic "centrist" play. The whole "well these people can fight but I'm above this" nonsense of those who can't bear to acknowledge bigotry and hatred when it states them in the face.
Ah yes, Greg Miller everyone's ''favorite'' and the ''only worthy trending gamer''.
Funny now ain't it ?
Funny now ain't it ?
i'd argue the rhetoric spread by people like Notch and wildpuspie are much more damaging than punches to the face.
But wtf do i know. I wasn't even born in 1941.
Also, 'wreckless comments' says it all.
Kinda, really.
Miller's apology in this thread falls flat when he's still waving the "we should all get along" flag. Much better explained that I could ever do:
So, yeah. Totally expected behavior, totally expected answer.
Andrea yet again not doing her research and unwilling to back down from her ill-informed (but very strongly held) opinions while Greg flounders, lacking the spine to correct her is the most charitable interpretation of this I can think of.
Sadly two white people with no skin in the game pontificating over context and intent of the "whacky stuff" that prominent racists (I am sure the white nationalists they follow on Twitter is just a coincidence) spout to an audience of millions of people worldwide is the more likely one as this is a well trodden path. Intellectually and morally bankrupt.
Sadly two white people with no skin in the game pontificating over context and intent of the "whacky stuff" that prominent racists (I am sure the white nationalists they follow on Twitter is just a coincidence) spout to an audience of millions of people worldwide is the more likely one as this is a well trodden path. Intellectually and morally bankrupt.
Sorry I meant posts (plural)
Wait wait don't bother responding *ignore*
I love this feature.
Why are you censoring Dardan Sandiego? Don't you believe in free speech and the marketplace of ideas?
Since I'm relaxed today, I'll court death and blame the assholes in turn:
- Notch and PDP: these children are despicable little shits whose entitlement leads them to believe they can do no wrong and anybody who displeases them is subhuman. Being white dudes, that leaves them with a very wide front of hate. And being internet celebs, they live in a secluded reality where they don't even need an ass-kissing entourage, they can set ass-kissing algorythms to never, ever, learn a damn theing about life and empathy.
- Greggy, Andrea and the rest of the enablers: These can range from covert sympathizers to privileged people "not wanting to ruffle feathers" to ignorant assholes who cba to inform themselves since, being of the dominant stratum, they don't see a RELEVANT problem in any of these. Lol so random interwebz h8, etc. The reaction I have for them is mixed, with condescension being the prevalent.
- The following/viewership: THIS is the problematic group. Individual pieces of shit have existed since always, but the people who cheer their abuse, their misanthropy, their racism/sexism/ethnicism...these are the motherfuckers who worry me. 3 days ago we had elections in Spain and, while I'm a moderate progressist myself, really couldn't believe that a country with 40 years of fascist dictatorship fell to the allure of far right. Luckily, not as much as UK, France, Germany or Italy but still worrying.
I don't enjoy "identity debates" since I was raised on the move between places and countries and I have no strong attachment to any specific demographic, and the mere idea of people feeling defined by a random variable evades me, but then you apply common decency and treat people like human beings and in their preferred way. Those who don't are worth of pity, those who can't even understand that idea are worth of disgust and reeducation.
- Notch and PDP: these children are despicable little shits whose entitlement leads them to believe they can do no wrong and anybody who displeases them is subhuman. Being white dudes, that leaves them with a very wide front of hate. And being internet celebs, they live in a secluded reality where they don't even need an ass-kissing entourage, they can set ass-kissing algorythms to never, ever, learn a damn theing about life and empathy.
- Greggy, Andrea and the rest of the enablers: These can range from covert sympathizers to privileged people "not wanting to ruffle feathers" to ignorant assholes who cba to inform themselves since, being of the dominant stratum, they don't see a RELEVANT problem in any of these. Lol so random interwebz h8, etc. The reaction I have for them is mixed, with condescension being the prevalent.
- The following/viewership: THIS is the problematic group. Individual pieces of shit have existed since always, but the people who cheer their abuse, their misanthropy, their racism/sexism/ethnicism...these are the motherfuckers who worry me. 3 days ago we had elections in Spain and, while I'm a moderate progressist myself, really couldn't believe that a country with 40 years of fascist dictatorship fell to the allure of far right. Luckily, not as much as UK, France, Germany or Italy but still worrying.
I don't enjoy "identity debates" since I was raised on the move between places and countries and I have no strong attachment to any specific demographic, and the mere idea of people feeling defined by a random variable evades me, but then you apply common decency and treat people like human beings and in their preferred way. Those who don't are worth of pity, those who can't even understand that idea are worth of disgust and reeducation.
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