Greg Miller and Andrea Rene handwave Notch and PewDiePie racist, transphobic and anti-semitic behaviour (UP: GM and AR respond; see threadmarks)

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NinjaScooter

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Being uninformed or ignorant about something this blatant is not an excuse in an age where you have instant access to any piece of information you could possibly want sitting in your pocket. Especially not when it’s dealing with an industry you are supposed to cover.
 

Tagyhag

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Damn, I didn't know John Drake married a transphobic Notch apologist. That's a shame.

It's impossible to take those tweets as "Out of context".

I'm not surprised about Greg trying to be a centrist, Moriarty definitely rubbed off on him. Soon he'll be saying "But aren't SJW's the REAL bad guys by not letting Gamergate have the freedom of opinion?"
 

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This is disappointing as I've looked up to both Greg and Andrea. I listen to What's Good Games regularly and while they usually avoid the more controversial stuff on it Andrea, Britt, and Steimer have been good people and it sucks for Andrea to hand wave this kind of stuff away when she's done a lot for women in the games industry.
 

Mushroomer25

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What's the point of a podcast if the amount of research you makes is next to non-existent? No one wants to hear your minute one hot take of something you've just read, it's obvious you won't know how to broach a subject like this on the spot and it's going to spiral into a shithole.
I think the issue is that this is exactly what KF believes their audience wants to see, which is why they produce such a large amount of content (including a daily show that is effectively just their reaction to the news of the day).

The end of the 'reaction' machine is just broadcasting your first thought as a finished product, and never stopping to think about when that might go sideways.
 

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Being uninformed or ignorant about something this blatant is not an excuse in an age where you have instant access to any piece of information you could possibly want sitting in your pocket. Especially not when it’s dealing with an industry you are supposed to cover.
its really weird that they are googling stuff and at the same time saying, "eh well, we don't have the time to look over all this"
 

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Probably scared to say something bad about a fellow YouTuber in case they ever get an opportunity to collab or some stupid shit. Kinda Funny must expand at all costs.
 

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Yet another example, on both why the games media ain't (and never will be) shit. And white moderates are scum.
 

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I will also say, the eagerness with at which some people want to 'cancel' Greg & Andrea in this thread is genuinely off-putting to me. It's one thing to express disappointment, it's another to use this as a moment to brag about how you never liked them in the first place.
have you considered that they are more somebody uninformed of the situation than an earnest attack? i mean it seems fair to give them the same benefit of the doubt that you're giving andrea rene and greg miller, no?
 

Duncan

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Here's what Vinny Caravella of Giant Bomb had to say about PewDiePie ONE YEAR AGO.

Giant Bomb continues to be the shining beacon so far.

 

rhandino

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I will also say, the eagerness with at which some people want to 'cancel' Greg & Andrea in this thread is genuinely off-putting to me. It's one thing to express disappointment, it's another to use this as a moment to brag about how you never liked them in the first place.
I like them both quite a bit and I follow their Games Daily from time to time and always tune in for Tim reaction videos...

BUT I am not here for Greg to be a complete pushover for a bunch of unapologetic assholes and for she to channel her inner Megan McCain explaining the situation in a manner that would not out of place at a republican rally so i don't feel bad cancelling them both and just keep checking Tim related content

 

MatrixMan.exe

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“I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to order than to justice.”

MLK Jr.
Despite all the "advances" that POC have made in Europe and North America, this quote has somehow aged like a fine wine. It's sad, really.
 

SturokBGD

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I'm a 42 year career driven old father of 4 with about 5 spare minutes a day to read anything on the internet.

These people do this for a living.

How come I'm the one that knows Notch and PDP are complete garbage?
 

Famassu

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Frankly, it comes off more as somebody uninformed of the situation than an earnest defense.
Ah, yes, they are so uninformed that they know about all the weak defenses of PDP & Notch and can make a "taken out of context" assessment of the situation but to not know exactly of all the bigoted shit these two have said.
 

scare_crow

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What's the point of a podcast if the amount of research you makes is next to non-existent? No one wants to hear your minute one hot take of something you've just read, it's obvious you won't know how to broach a subject like this on the spot and it's going to spiral into a shithole.
I’m pretty sure the majority of Kinda Funny “best friends” (ugh) want exactly that.
 

vodalus

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I'm a 42 year career driven old father of 4 with about 5 spare minutes a day to read anything on the internet.

These people do this for a living.

How come I'm the one that knows Notch and PDP are complete garbage?
😂

I think you answered your own question. It’s pretty obvious where these individuals stand. The apology will be probably be worse than the offense though.
 

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Being uninformed or ignorant about something this blatant is not an excuse in an age where you have instant access to any piece of information you could possibly want sitting in your pocket. Especially not when it’s dealing with an industry you are supposed to cover.
I can't give someone too much flak for being uninformed. Like, if someone were to pop into this thread and not know what the deal is with Notch or PewDiePie, I'd like to inform them.

Now, when you've set that as your discussion topic and claim that some racist is just being taken out of context or that there's a hate mob after him because he did some racist thing, it gets a lot harder to believe that you're a tabula rasa.
 

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Here's Vinny Caravella of Giant Bomb had to say about PewDiePie ONE YEAR AGO.

Giant Bomb continues to be the shining beacon so far.

Vinny, Alex, and Jeff are good people yes.

That's not to say the other's aren't but those three remind me that they are constantly.

And I'm also waiting for that one time where Dan does his ignorant stupid guy schtick just one inch too far into some really shitty territory.
 

Aly

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Oh look back to some of my main complaints about so many of these podcasts: Never taking a stand for anything and never having any research done or understanding of the topics they discuss. Just don't bring it up if you fall into those categories.

“I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to order than to justice.”

MLK Jr.
Just sad how true this quote still is.
 

Kage Maru

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Fuck them both. I know it won't happen but I hope their popularity takes a nose dive after this.

if thats the case hopefully they pull an easy allies and address both in more detail next week
Oh no, what happened with easy Allies?

I hope this is the case. And if it is, they have every chance to re-address on a new episode and outright state they do not support the behavior and comments from PDP and Notch.

Absolutely no fucking room to sugarcoat this or play down the center with this in my book.
IMO they had their chance the first time they discussed this with such flippant behavior. I don't follow PDP or Notch but I'm well aware of how they are pieces of shit and why. IF they walk their comments back, there's a good chance it's only because of the resulting backlash.
 

Mass_Pincup

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I wonder in what type of context Notch's tweet would be ok though.

I'm really interested to hear that.
 

ZeroDS

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Are they still friends after Colin's "exit" from KF?

I don't follow Colin at all and I don't watch KF too much anymore, but it seemed like it was a clean break at the time.
All I know is Colin reached out privately and Greg wanted to move on from the whole thing.

Didn’t move far it seems
 

SageShinigami

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gameovergreggy literally posts here, so I'm not sure how this thread got 100+ posts without anyone tagging him. Not sure if Andrea does, but if he's a part of ERA at least let him speak for himself?
 

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Vinny, Alex, and Jeff are good people yes.

That's not to say the other's aren't but those three remind me that they are constantly.

And I'm also waiting for that one time where Dan does his ignorant stupid guy schtick just one inch too far into some really shitty territory.
Ryckert has explicitly called out racists and shitheads in the past. He's a big 'ol doofus, but he's not a bigot.
 

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You know...let's assume we take the "uninformed" angle on this one, why even discuss it on your podcast?

If you are genuinely uninformed and aren't sure of everything involved, then don't talk about it?
 

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Oh no, what happened with easy Allies?
it wasn't anything too bad, they talked about the THQ/8chan thing one week where they clearly didn't know all the facts about it, it was pretty hand wave-y

the next week they went into far more detail and apologized for hand waving the situation
 

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If you look at the things they have said and/or done and think things are out of context or defensible; than you are either not paying attention or an equally trash person.

Disappointed with these two.
 
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Shitty person is shitty.

Racist person is racist.

Why do people feel the need to tiptoe around things like this, especially in the case of racist notch and fear-mongering awful person PewDiePie? Is it because they don't want to take a stance and offend a certain segment of the population?
 

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Oh look back to some of my main complaints about so many of these podcasts: Never taking a stand for anything and never having any research done or understanding of the topics they discuss. Just don't bring it up if you fall into those categories.
But how else are you going to BOTH get clicks from talking about a controversial issue AND not turn anyone away form consuming your content?

Because that's the important thing apparently. Not fuckers spreading racist bullshit in year of our lord 2019.

It's the same reason so many outlets had super vague takes on GamerGate a few years back. Nobody wants to risk their revenue if their audience has a higher percentage of pieces of shit than they bargained for.
 

NinjaScooter

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I'm a 42 year career driven old father of 4 with about 5 spare minutes a day to read anything on the internet.

These people do this for a living.

How come I'm the one that knows Notch and PDP are complete garbage?
They are either incredibly ignorant, or disingenuous and totally lacking in empathy. It’s probably pretty easy to side step or deflect some of the bullshit from PDP or Notch when it doesn’t directly effect you or you are just trying to build your career without making waves. Which is fine. Not everybody in this industry has to take a public stand. Not everybody has to cover everything. If you just want to talk about how much fun the latest game is, cool, stay in that lane, but then don’t try and cover these topics in the most toothless way possible. You don’t get to have it both ways.
 

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Over the past year their content has declined rapidly in quality. They almost seem to take pride in being ignorant of nearly everything they discuss. They've lied about Patreon stretch goals (Greg was supposed to be in the Persona 5 Spoilercast but now he won't and he still hasn't finished the game and has no desire to). They jump to Epic's defense constantly and are now hosting the pre and post show for the Borderlands 3 reveal. Andrea can never ever admit she is wrong and will always double down, literally laughing at people who give her facts counter to her own narrative. And now this.

It's been a complete shitshow.
 
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jviggy43

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Andrea is having a miserable 2019 with some of the takes shes been giving. This takes the cake. Greg seemed to have made a real concerted effort to be more inclusive over the years despite being friends with that shit lord collin but its jarring to see him take the "i'm gonna bring it up and not take a hard stance and suggest it might not be that bad despite not knowing the full context of this situation" side of things.

To be honest Ive fallen off KF hard the past few months as theyre more like hype men for products than people who actually go in depth on stuff, except for Fran who has been a fantastic addition (to my surprise tbh). Honestly tho I expected of all places KF to take a harder stance on this topic and its sad they chose not to. Even sadder is when this gets brought up on the show Andrea will double down because she literally cant ever admit she was wrong about anything ever.
 

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I’m not sure how you can’t be informed that using racist and transphobic language is a bad thing
Oh no trust me I don't mean ignorance in regards to those specific things, there's no playing dumb on this one. I mean usually I like to give him the benefit of the doubt when he claims ignorance about a topic, this isn't one of those times.
 

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Was listening yesterday and her Notch/Microsoft stuff was just straight up confusing. Even Greg seemed confused by the stance/interpretation she was taking.
 
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White people do not see racism in racist comments, more news at 10pm
This is why representativeness is so important. They just don't get it (and I'm white)
 

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You know what? I think it's fine when people who have been lucky enough to not have been oppressed or threatened by less-than-blatant language don't immediately recognize it. They hadn't grown up with it, faced it on a regular basis, acquired the context to pick it up 100% of the time.

But when the people who DO recognize it and try to point it out, DON'T FUCKING DISMISS THEM AS IF THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. That's where I draw the line between "I wish they understood it" and "fuck 'em."

You've got less experience and context facing and living it, don't think that you've got the same level of experience and expertise as the people who are made unconformable or threatened.

Not all racists and transphobes are going to make them obviously racist and transphobic to straight white people. Just enough to scare off minorities and promote themselves to the like-minded and easily-influenced. Look out for more than just people saying the n word, christ, it's not that complicated.
 
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