On top of that, yet another poster who wasn't even sure of what was said originally, but spent the bulk of their time here criticizing it. I had a feeling most people were complaining based on second-hand info. Talk about "outrage."
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Expecting everyone to filter out negative comments with no issue is somewhat unrealistic. Earlier someone said this about Andrea:
This issue with this, DigitalOP (and you to Ramjag), is that not everyone deals with criticism the same way. This is especially true when that criticism is full of toxicity. It's ok to handle criticism differently than others. Some people can find the constructive bits in a sea of toxicity while others can't help but focus on the insults. It's not really fair of us to say that Andrea should just wade through the trash when there were people on this site calling her the c word. That can be a particularly strong insult to women (and I've never liked how casually it's used around here).
DigitalOP, you said that you could post a video on YouTube about cats and get a bunch of bullshit comments for no reason. You're right, but there's no excuse for that. Just because toxicity exists doesn't make it ok. Let's not handwave it away just because it's the wider internet as if that makes it ok. YouTubers often say that when they read their comments it's the toxic ones which stick out most.
For what it's worth Andrea did apologize despite the toxicity, and it seems like she understands what she did wrong. I have never really been a fan of getting nit picky about the particulars of an apology to make it come across as not good enough, and I am especially not a fan when it involves excusing toxic behavior. If we are going to be upset that Andrea doesn't like being insulted here then I'm not really sure what to say.
Great post.
That's how any public discussion like this goes. If a minority being dumb (with some being straight up being warned/banned for their comments) is enough to dismiss the majority bringing up good points over, you know, white suprematism, well...To be fair there's a lot of fucking nonsense in this thread mixed in with the legitimate concerns.
Already banned but I don't care: Fuck you.I think in the case of Andrea the death of her career would be sufficient. But you've hit the nail on the head. This board has become very toxic, the moderation is too lax and if not for the ignore function, this would be a very bad place.
On top of that, yet another poster who wasn't even sure of what was said originally, but spent the bulk of their time here criticizing it. I had a feeling most people were complaining based on second-hand info.
Man, that racist cunt and his nazi cuntery is really wacky, huh
But don't conflate calling people out with the going too far. "Too far" isn't always subjective, you yourself are responsible for what comes out of your mouth in the face of injustice. You may well be talking about someone who has wronged you in some way, but there is a big difference between trash talk and being abusive yourself.
Here's one takeaway from this to think about. Andrea has been called a cunt in this topic quite a number of times. Now I'm a Brit, I see and hear the word cunt used quite often. Us Brits still know it's potentially the "worst" swear word there is. But we also look to intent. If someone engages in what you could say is cunty-behaviour, you might well feel it's appropriate to say "You've acted like a cunt" or "You're a cunt". And hey, the person maybe has. And we say that to both men and women. It's one of the harshest condemnations you can hurl at someone with the English language. When people are justifiably upset, they often use harsh language.
In America though, calling a woman a cunt is still very taboo, more so than the UK. No matter the intent. GAF used to ban the word cunt, and I don't doubt some on Era staff aren't too happy about how often it might get used around here. Do I think Andrea is probably a little bit upset quite a number of men in this topic called her a cunt? Probably. Many women would take it very poorly to have a sizeable collection of men all saying "You're a fucking cunt".
But here is where I draw my distinction between anger/harsh words and criticism versus taking it too far. I've not got much of an issue with people calling Andrea a cunt given that it was handwaving Notch who is probably one of the biggest cunts on Earth. That is very cunty-behaviour to downplay how much of an asshole Notch is. Could there be a few men who have their own issues with treating women poorly who jump on the bandwagon just to get to call Andrea a cunt /troll and not have anyone care because it seems like they're just angry? Maybe, but that is what it is, the majority using harsh language to condemn your behaviour aren't doing it to throw gendered remarks at you. They're upset people understandably lashing out to an extent, because you downplayed the problematic behaviour of two of the biggest assholes in gaming.
Getting personal to the levels of talking about people's relationships, or stating over the top hyperbole/accusations and comments that are truly in bad taste, is simply not the same as you being angry and using some harsh language to call someone out.
I read her comments, what did she say that undermines her apology in your opinion? Cause shes completely right, this thread has been nothing but a hate filled circlejerk for 95% of the posts. Would you want to interact with people who are calling you a cunt? Would you want to interact with people saying you should lose your job? I doubt it.