Does GTA$ also turn into chips or are they completely seperate?
I'm asking because it can be just another motivation for hackers lol
I'm asking because it can be just another motivation for hackers lol
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GTA Online now has a casino. We need to talk about it.
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Why can't they just go in the opposite direction and make wholesome E rated open world crime games :(
Apparently if something ever involves real money in any capacity, and any amount of random chance at any point, to any end, even if the initial purchase was clearly defined, it needs to face the same strict regulations as casinos.Shhhhhh all you're going to do is get people to request bans on these:
Like, come on. That's hugely, unhelpfully broad, and needlessly restrictive.
Thanks. I was just wondering if they'd finally put a stop to hackers, which I'm guessing they haven't. They can detect them obviously, but it's probably never going away. oh well
I am sick of seeing how MTX is encroaching in the realm of gaming that I enjoy, Video Games, because the way its implemented negatively impacts how I enjoy them (The pay-to-win formula, the intentional grind to entice you to buy boost packs). But how is this different from something like Dave and Busters? The in-Game casino just seems like a virtual instance of that.
I guess since its highly exploitable is the real issue
I guess since its highly exploitable is the real issue
A child in your own home can be supervised, especially when playing video games. A child that is away from home cannot.
It's all against dealers like a real casino. Black Jack, Roullette, 3 card poker.
This is basically pachinko where you pay real money to buy little metal balls, and when you win, the machine spits out more metal balls at you. Then you can use the balls to either play more, or exchange them for prizes.
Then you can exchange your prize at a separate location for real cash haha. It's how they get around gambling laws, but in GTA you can't exchange your "prize" for real cash.
Then you can exchange your prize at a separate location for real cash haha. It's how they get around gambling laws, but in GTA you can't exchange your "prize" for real cash.
Already there. Take Two is pushing the MTX train hard, especially in NBA2K. Those of us who play it have been banging the pots and pans, but since its a sports game it mostly went unoticed. The last 2 years have been getting "some" press, but it needs much more. Something on the level the Shadow of War received
The bigger crime here is how boring Rockstar has made gambling. There's like no flare whatsoever to this. I struggle at times to see what cards I and the dealer even have.
The Facebook and especially casino mobile apps are super popular and been around forever. Kids are exposed to that on App Store and Google Play Store, although at least with App Store redesign they no longer seem to sort by top grossing apps so I don't really see it on my iPad without specifically searching for casino or slot machine. I don't think law makers are going to do anything considering the gambling slot machine cell phone games have been making money for years and typically more than 1 are in top 30 grossing games.
gambling is becoming more and more legal everywhere in the USA, not less
It'll use every single gambling industry trick to fool people into spending time and (real) money on gambling games... Without cashing out a single fucking cent.
Whether or not it's ~technically~ called gambling changes nothing about how almost impressively evil that is.
Whether or not it's ~technically~ called gambling changes nothing about how almost impressively evil that is.
That's in the new update.It probably won't be long until something like this is added
Googling games is usually quick and easy.It probably won't be long until something like this is added
Oh... I am behind the times I guess. This timeline sucks!
Wait, so you pay real money to buy chips...but you can't cash them in for real money?
Isn't this just stealing?
Isn't this just stealing?
You don't pay real money for chips. You buy chips with the GTA$ which you get playing the game. You can also pay Real Money for GTA$ with Shark Cards.
Like how in FF14 theres a casino that uses Chips bought with Gil, but you can buy a character boost that gives you a bunch of gil that you could convert into chips.
Neither game lets you cash out, you spend the currency on casino exclusive stuff
Jumping into the update now. For those playing, be sure to grab the free penthouse + money from Twitch Prime if you have it.
Is there a game with micro transactions that lets you cash out?
Maybe EVE? And I think WoW lets you use gold for game time now? And I guess PUBG and maybe Dota let you sell hats for store currency?
Aside from that, I don't think any game officially allows it but plenty of MMOs have black markets where you can sell in-game content for real money
Chuck E Cheese or equivalent at least lets you cash out your tickets for stale candy or other junk.
Perhaps it's technically legal because of this, without money going both ways? You're agreeing to throw your money into a pit with no chance of recovering it, so that's what makes it not legally gambling? lol
Game is 18+ and the fact that it doesn't cash out excludes it from gambling laws. There are worse offenders out there, there was sega casino on mobile with sonic which was basically aimed at kids... And that's far from the only one. "Social casinos" (as in casino games that don't pay out but where you can buy chips with real money) is a massive industry on mobile
Potential list of people who usually aren't allowed into casinos (based on Belgium's case):
It is certain that the functionality is disabled in many countries.
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- Young people (various age depending on country, for example 21)
- People who request to be excluded for their own protection (due to various reasons)
- Request can also come from a third party (partner, legal tutor) if the request is granted
- People who are legally recognised indebted (by court decision)
- People with sensitive profession: "magistrates, notaries, bailiffs and members of the police"
It is certain that the functionality is disabled in many countries.
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That isn't what I said. If you're not winning money (or something else of monetary value), it's not gambling. The fact that there are similarities between the psychological effects doesn't mean that virtual gambling (with no monetary rewards) is gambling (with monetary rewards). There are angles that make real gambling significantly more dangerous, not just in terms of addictiveness, but in terms of damage to victims.
I don't think the point I'm making is complicated. Those who suggest that it is worse than gambling because you can't win money are missing that this is one of the very facets that makes gambling so dangerous and addictive and it also is one of the things that actually identifies it as gambling. It's a really shit argument.
You are going to struggle to get this stuff banned by saying "IT IS GAMBLING" and even more so by saying "IT IS WORSE THAN GAMBLING". That's my point. I am not defending the practice, I'm just not exaggerating it either, like most in here.
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In some ways it's actually much worse than Chuck E. Cheese's.
At least the threat of it would start a conversation in the industry past the shoulder shrugging right now. Remember how Mortal Kombat changed things.
Online gambling has one of the biggest GOP donors rallying against it in Sheldon Adleson. Online will most likely take a while to catch up to it's in person counterpart.
I think there needs to be a strict law that completely bans letting players buy ingame credits/coins/tokens/money/etc with real money. It needs to also ban loopholes that could get around it. For instance, ban letting you straight up use real money to unlock a car/weapon/etc.
It should still be legal though to buy DLC addons.
Additionally, If the DLC is something that comes with the game disc or the main game download, then it should be illegal to charge for it.
Then games would also have to get rid of predatory grindy mechanics, unfair advantages and pay to win trash.
It should still be legal though to buy DLC addons.
Additionally, If the DLC is something that comes with the game disc or the main game download, then it should be illegal to charge for it.
Then games would also have to get rid of predatory grindy mechanics, unfair advantages and pay to win trash.
Checked it out. Got the Prime penthouse starter. Seems like a fun expansion that they will be adding to over time. All the chip unlocks seem to be for pricey cosmetics. More GTA Online craziness. Casino and gambling outrage seems more than running drug manufacturing and dealing operations. Shrug. Virtual vice factory gonna virtual vice factory.
Value is subjective and people find high value in winning new virtual items like cards, cars, costumes and high grade versions of characters.
This is just one of the things that these companies do to attempt to sidestep the major pillars of gambling to not seem like actual gambling, by not tying direct monetary value of an item by allowing you to purchase in-game currency.
