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GTX 1060 vs XBox One X at 4K
- Thread starter Alexandros
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Do all those games run at a constant, native 4k on Xbox? If they have dynamic resolution or upscaling, they aren't valid comparisons.
1080p is overrated then, I'd rather get 144fps at 720p
Or even 288 at 480p. Nah, sike I go 4K/whatever FPS I can achieve. It's the real deal.
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Even if you're only interested in AAA games, the PC will have the best versions of those games. If you only care about AAA, that means you place a lot of weight on presentation and again, PC versions will always be superior in that regard. Don't get me wrong, I think it's dumb for people to only be interested in big-budget games, especially on PC where there's so much diversity, but PC is definitely the place to go if you really care about presentation.
It's always struck me as bizarre that some console gamers obsess about 4K while accepting things like dynamic resolution, upscaling and 30 FPS. I imagine much of that is the result of all the hype and marketing that hardware-makers have put into 4K and HDR. I wish those companies would put all that effort into promoting 60 FPS instead.
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No. Gears of war 4, Hitman and Forza are native 4K.
Fallout 4 and The Witcher 3 have a dynamic resolution (TW3 rarely ever hits native 4K)
Fortnite is 1728p.
Compared to PC right now it's great value. RAM prices have skyrocketed, GPU prices are in another galaxy if you can find them in stores.
Had to be that the rock texture was so glaring that he completely missed the shadows.......
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Yea 1440p is the best middle ground. 4k 30fps can fuck right off.
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It's true that right now is not the best time to be building a PC. However, this situation isn't going to last forever and it would be very interesting to see how the Xbox's value holds up against a new line of properly priced graphics cards. If the 1150Ti launches close to the 1050Ti launch price of $140 and offers 1060-like performance then it will make budget gaming builds extremely affordable and very competitive to the Xbox One X in both price and performance.
For example, let's take this entry-level gaming build from PCpartpicker:
https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/T3Xscf/entry-level-amd-gaming-build
This costs $575 dollars, $75 dollars more than the Xbox One X. It has a more powerful CPU and a bigger hard drive, however its GPU is priced at $190 and it's much weaker than the console's GPU. Now, imagine if you could replace that GPU with an $150 graphics card that would offer 1060-like performance. You'd have a system that would offer the same GPU performance as the console, better CPU performance and a bigger hard drive for just $30 more than the console's official price. That would be pretty damn competitive.
Of course that's just speculation and guesswork, we don't know how the situation with GPU and RAM prices will develop or even if the new cards will offer substantial performance increases. In the here and now, matching the Xbox One X's GPU horsepower is prohibitively expensive for most people.
Yours is defective. Alienware laptops are built like tanks and should have no problem running any game at 4k without throttling.
The right answer is.
Choosing whatever framerate you want by dialing settings to user preference is the best. Limited options can fuck right off.
No, thanks. No matter how expensive the hardware is, the cheap one still doesn't allow me to choose my controllers, my resolution, my FoV, my aspect ratio, my framerate, my graphic configs (disable annoying/unnecessary effects), my mods, my insane gaming library, turn vsync off, play shooters without aim assists and claw grip, etc, etc...
This right here, no matter how cheap it is.
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My brother! Any kind of 30fps is pretty rough to me, depending on game. Of course some 30fps is better than others. On my PS4 slim, I found the input delay acceptable for HZD, sure I'd prefer it in 1440/60, but the game was so good I didn't let it ruin the experience.
On the other hand, AC Unity and Shadow of Mordor, although "30fps", were so sluggish on input delay that I found the experience simply unbearable. SoM was really disappointing, as I played the base game way back on release on PC with a lowly 670FTW, and it was glorious. Flash forward to finding the complete edition for PS4 for a few bucks in a bin. Thought I'd go ahead and give it another go. Nope, horrible, it's definitely a series along with AC that truly is massively aided by a high framerate and minimal input lag.
That's questionnable. Online paywall is a thing. Lack of upgrade is a thing. I mean, if we're thinking XB1X as a new generation SKU, sure. But let's not forget it's a mid gen upgrade too. And to be honest, if anyone built an hardware back in the XB1 launch days, they'd have far better upgrade options. So they would when XB1X gets replaced.
It also depends on your usage too. It also depends where do you live. Save for ram prices, GPU prices didnt moved a lot in Europe. Basing everything on a thing happening right now in USA is a lame point, as lame as it would be to base GPU prices on a cheap country or a huge discount.
"GPU prices didnt moved a lot in Europe"
Because they were already much expensive than US. Even with all the mining situation, building a PC in US is considerable more affordable than Europe.
Uh, no ?
You can still get a 1060 3GB for around 220€ and the 6GB variant for around 300€.
Same for the RX580.
ZOTAC 1060 3gb, Amazon US: usd 350
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KKJAJM4/?tag=era0f0-20
ZOTAC 1060 3gb, Amazon Germany: €301 (usd 368.49 US Dollar)
https://www.amazon.de/ZOTAC-GeForce...qid=1516710665&sr=8-1&keywords=zotac+1060+3GB
1060 3GB, 230€ in France
https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B01KHWOASI/?tag=e1000b-21
1060 6GB, 300€
https://www.amazon.fr/gp/aw/s/ref=is_s_ss_i_0_7?k=1060+6+gb&sprefix=1060+6+&crid=8RUU8HMTZQ3J
https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B01KHWOASI/?tag=e1000b-21
1060 6GB, 300€
https://www.amazon.fr/gp/aw/s/ref=is_s_ss_i_0_7?k=1060+6+gb&sprefix=1060+6+&crid=8RUU8HMTZQ3J
1060 6GB has jumped by £70 in the UK - that's almost a 3rd of it's launch price.
Tempted to buy a 1060 now to replace my 960...I'm going good at 1080p I'll probably just wait until I get and gtx1080 in a couple years when the prices come down but it's sure tempting.
You linked to a used item that doesn't include tax ...
Cheapest price for a new one is $400 + tax.
And if you look outside Amazon.de you can find that model for 270€.
You do get the best presentation on PC, but if all you're doing is playing COD, BF, Creed, and whatever other big game and doing things you could just do on consoles, I'm not sure the extra cost is worth it. I'm not sure it's worth paying $800 - $1200 for a console with sprinkles.
Again, I've gotten the most value out of playing PC exclusive games or even older games that aren't on the current consoles. That's actually one reason I initially suggested the 1060, because then at least you can immediately run older stuff like Bayonetta 1 and RE4 in 4K without waiting for developers to do 4K patches.
It doesn't really though, It's not a great value at the price they are asking. It's a nice piece of hardware but I couldn't recommend it over an xbox one s.
That first Digital Foundry video on the One X lead a lot of people to believe it was going to be somehow equivalent to a 1070 lol, I told them it wouldn't even surpass the 1060.
Still, quite capable for a 500 dollar machine.
EDIT: Although, there are better stock 1060s to test against tbh, like the EVGA SC Edition.
Still, quite capable for a 500 dollar machine.
EDIT: Although, there are better stock 1060s to test against tbh, like the EVGA SC Edition.
Ironically, the Nvidia "Founders Edition" cards are now the best deal you can get while they were called "theft" back in 2016 haha
If I hadn't had a PC with a 1070 and i5 4690k, and would also love to play many small indie games only available on PC, I would buy the Xbox One X. I like the design, the low noise level and many of its games.
Compared to current RAM and GPU prices, as others have already mentioned, it's really a good performance-to-cost value.
Compared to current RAM and GPU prices, as others have already mentioned, it's really a good performance-to-cost value.
1070 can do 1440p 120hz in a lot of modern games so... No
1070 is usually paired with way more powerful CPUs than the one used in XBOX, though.
No, because you generally can't even find founders cards in stock and if you do they are way over MSRP. Unless that's changed.
Edit: yeah, holy shit 1070s are going for near $1000 on eBay and Amazon. I should maybe sell my cards.
Holy fuck would someone actually buy my evga 1070 hybrid for like $1200?
That's kinda irrelevant to whether the X is equivalent to a 1070 though. It's clearly not as it cannot even surpass a 1060.
It is relevant though if you're talking about how powerful the gpu is in the X if you remove the cpu from the equation. The Xs gpu has more CUs than an RX 580, there isn't an exact equivalent gpu you can actually buy on the shelf. Logically it's a bit better than an rx580 and thus it's a solid 10-20% better than a 1060. We don't really know what other kind of enhancements AMD might have added to the Polaris X chip other than the extra CUs, unless someone on here does know if there are additional architecture improvements. I believe it is downclocked a bit from what you could get out of a desktop RX 580 as well though so that might cancel out on paper that it's a more advanced chip than a 580.
Crazy right!? I have a EVGA 1080 FTW that i'm VERY tempted to put on Ebay. I just need something to hold me over... which i cant find... and who knows how long this mess will last.
Check any comparisons. The 3GB is simply not enough to store the ultra res assets in Gears 4. There's pics showing the 6gb vs 3gb where the 3gb card had low res textures compared to the 6gb card
The RX 580 is indeed clocked higher and has slightly better FP performance (6.2 vs 6)
Well, I checked comparisons and I see 1060 3GB holding its own vs XB1X in some games like The Witcher 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iqTDwh6CDI&t=699s
Skyrim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZodTwmKp1Ig&t=695s
And that's not accounting a lot of games which XB1X doesn't support yet or may never support in 4k.
I know its fun to compare PC vs Console but to me they are such different experiences and comparing them one to one on graphics alone is selling both of these short IMO.
It's about where it should be considering a 1060 and RX 580 launched at $250 to consumers and XBX uses a low watt very old Jaguar core.
XBX is a very well done system no doubt, they timed it well to maximize the power per watt GPU, ram speeds and price. PS4 went a year early with the GPUs known in PC circles to be more power hungry than what was to finally come from AMD and also PS4 Pro went $100 cheaper, hence how we have pretty much 1440p vs 1900-2160p boxes.
Not saying XBX will sell loads better, just that as an upgrade it's substantial and well executed for its probable intention.
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See since the begining? Plus it is on "ultra", settings that X only dreams about. And you can change some settings down to "console lvl" to achieve 120+ more easily.