Not worth it right now.
The jump isn't that big and you have to pay a premium.
Wait for next gen and maybe get a cheap used one, or go straight to 1160.
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GTX 1060 vs XBox One X at 4K
- Thread starter Alexandros
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Not worth it right now.
The jump isn't that big and you have to pay a premium.
Wait for next gen and maybe get a cheap used one, or go straight to 1160.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-3gb-vs-6gb-review_13
Just take a pic of Gears 4 on ultra settings running on the 3gb card, you'll see it doesn't match X/6gb version in texture quality
Wait, what? The PC in the OP is made out of used parts. And the GPU alone is minimum $450: https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?N=100007709 601205646&IsNodeId=1&Submit=ENE
This is not a budget PC. The cost of the GPU is almost cost of the entire Xbox One X, which includes controller.
the beginning is 1080p, irrelevant. and it would be way below console settings before its 120 fps
Right, that's one game (even though you didn't provide any comparisons or fact to back your point) against a lot more running at 4k on that cards, which I shown you already. Like for exemple, The Witcher 3 is actually native 4k on the 1060 3GB as opposed to dynamic res on Xbox One X. What conclusion should I draw regarding this, if I follow your logic ?
No it's not. The MSRP isn't 450 dollars. Inflated price is the same as discounted price: These are not how these GPU are positionned in fact. Or let's say my 500 dollars GTX 1080ti is supposed to be 50 dollars more expensive than the 1060 despite being more than twice faster.
"However, this situation isn't going to last forever"
"however its GPU is priced at $190 and it's much weaker than the console's GPU. Now, imagine if you could replace that GPU with an $150 graphics card that would offer 1060-like performance."
The second quote is a dreamworld. "Imagine if you could get a 1060 for $150 and put it in there instead of the extremely weaker $190 GPU that's in it currently."
Why bring up hypotheticals like that? Imagine if Microsoft lowered the price of the X by $150! The fact is that GPU and RAM prices have been in another galaxy for quite a while now and there's absolutely no sign of things changing any time soon. The cost of a 1060 at Newegg, a cheaper one, is $450, almost the entire cost of the X. That's the bottom line. No sign of improvement for now.
I got this a lot with my 780, which is a 3GB card, in Gears 4
This has me so tempted over the weekend to sell my 1080 Ti, considering that a 1070 is going for $1200. I just worry about these clowns on ebay pulling a SNAD case after mining or use the paypal 6 months return policy to return the card after its been abused. I do a lot of business on ebay too, but this is one I don't want coming back to bite me in the ass.
Maybe, but wich one console allow us to set down to low/medium to get 120fp? ;)
I don't have time to look for videos/benchmarks. You can easily do that. Again if you think 3gb is enough to store ultra res assets these games have then you are in for a shock
I got this a lot with my 780, which is a 3GB card, in Gears 4
Yup it's been known cards with 3gb struggle with high res assets and running in high res due to very low vram amount
What is your point here? It doesn't matter what the Nvidia MSRP is. What matters is how much it costs to buy and GPU prices have been crazy for a long time now, with no improvement in sight.
Has to do about the price you pay for the hardware that allow options like that vs others that doesn't allow almost nothing.
Sure. You were wrong with the video on both performance and how much settings scale above the consoles, so now its into a completely unrelated point to save face? Got it
My point is it's an exceptional situation in one part of the world. Your 450 dollars GTX 1060 6GB sold by a scalper isn't setting a price for the very same reason my 500 dollars GTX 1080 ti 11GB sold by an online store during sales isn't setting a price. No, GTX 1060 isn't a 450 or even a 600 dollars GPU as claimed by some people. And no, GTX 1080ti isn't a 500 or even 450 dollars GPU.
Your point is irrelevant, though. And it's not an "exceptional situation in one part of the world." MSRP doesn't matter. Newegg and everyone else is selling them for $425-450 cheapest. It makes no difference if the price is gouged or not -- all that matters is how much it costs to buy. This "exceptional situation" has been going on for a long time now and will continue to do so.
If I sold on Amazon is a return after 30 days not allowed? As far as I know. That's where I'd sell them anyway.
Maybe SWBF2 was not a very good example: https://youtu.be/GNKEZu2mR4k?t=56. Or Apex is not modern enough? ;)
How many modern games run at 1080p/60 on a base xbox tho? Its fairly obvious a 1070 will not be running many modern games at 1440p/120
Nice videos, but not really scientifically measured, right?
For forza, he makes conclusion about in game motion blur when game does the initial external camera fly-by. thats 30fps part and he didn't even notice.
then again, running the same game at a differennt resolution/settings and calling a winner... how does this go? :))
Can't watch the vid at work but a 1060 with an i3 and 8 gigs of ram won't push 4K better than Xbox one x.
Unless we are only counting true 4K.
Pc needs checkerboard rendering badly. :(
Did you check your amazon links? They're sold out already. It's not just a "USA thing".
If you find an affordable GPU in that pricing segment, chances are it won't be available for long.
No to that first part or? The CPU on the Xbox One X would definitely limit the potential framerate. Not sure if that's what you're talking about though?
The rumour that the XoX would match a 1070 came from the ARK developer right? It was never going to be true. The 1070 is an insanely good card and the idea of it being half way to 1080, like a 1070 Ti for example, would be ludicrous. I doubt it's the CPU stopping the XOX from reaching that sort of GPU power.
I did, and they're sold in other french retailers... for the very same price. Since weeks.
CPU and 8 gigs of ram wont be limiting you for resolution. For framerate ? Sure for the CPU.
Because that person linked to amazon.
https://www.cdiscount.com/informati...aeroitx3goc.html?idOffre=176439846#mpos=13|cd
In case you'd say "only 4 left"
https://www.cdiscount.com/informati...1060-aero/f-10767-bunmsiovwg2.html#mpos=14|cd
https://www.cdiscount.com/informati...ro-itx-3/f-10767-bunmsiprey05.html#mpos=15|cd
6GB:
https://www.cdiscount.com/informati...pnygtx10606g.html?idOffre=111695166#mpos=3|mp
https://www.boulanger.com/ref/1076443
3GB:
https://www.rueducommerce.fr/produi...060-mini-itx-3go-ddr5-26475502/offre-64701330
https://www.rueducommerce.fr/produi...0-aero-itx-3g-oc-3-go-28472860/offre-71308824
6GB:
https://www.rueducommerce.fr/produit/zotac-geforce-gtx-1060-6-go-26222760/offre-64020706
https://www.rueducommerce.fr/produi...1060-mini-itx-oc-6-go-26458670/offre-64662656
I could keep going with other major retailers.
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You are mistaken. The 1050 ti followed the 960 and offered a bit better performance at a cheaper price. The 1060 offered performance that was a bit better than a 970 at a lower price. The next generation of a graphics architecture often offers the performance of last year's higher-tier GPU at a lower price. Do some research and you'll see for yourself.
You realize that most of these are mini ITX models (aka undesirable)
Do you think that's a good selection to choose from lol
At least one of your links is also sold out again
You can buy ... eh.. a model. Not the one you want, but there's... something available, although sometimes 10% more expensive than what you said. I can give you that.
Do you really think that this state of the market even in France warrants saying that it's "only a USA thing"?
A decently overclocked 970 is on par with a 6GB 1060 or even slightly faster depending on how well the 1060 can overclock, at 2GHz it pulls ahead of a 970 at 1500MHz, the thing holding it back most though is the 970's VRAM.
Very pleased so far that I went with the X vs upgrading my gaming computer. The cost differential is huge. I would have needed a new 1060 ($650 $700 here) plus a new 4k monitor. That wouldn't have included several things that the X1 has like its cooling features and 4k blu ray player. It's a beast and pretty good value. Makes up for the disaster known as the Xbox One.
I'll probably switch back to PC in a couple years depending on where GPU prices are.
I'll probably switch back to PC in a couple years depending on where GPU prices are.
Here you go :)
https://www.techspot.com/review/1263-gears-of-war-4-benchmarks/
Ultra Doesn't Always Mean Ultra
Something I noticed when testing many GPUs was the difference in image quality, despite the settings remaining the same. Forcing the settings to ultra, there were still distinct differences between the 3GB and 6GB versions of Nvidia's GeForce GTX 1060 for example.
The character resolution seemed lower at times on the 3GB model. It was almost like a different anti-aliasing method was being used. The characters would appear blurrier and feature lower textures. The environments would often feature lower quality textures as well, less lighting and lower quality shadows.
There's even screen shot comparisons showing the 3GB cards running at lower textures and graphical effects not matter if you lock to ultra settings. The vram is simply not enough to store the data. But it is good for running base console settings at 1080p60fps though
Point made for Gears 4 but I was talking in general. You claimed that it cant run games at 4k or use ultra textures like X does... Except I proven you with the Witcher 3 the opposite.
Doubt at X settings though as I see alot of texture pop in and low shadow draw in which is due to the low amount of vram. No matter if you set a setting for graphics the 3gb cards can only render what the ram can hold. Any game that utilizes higher res assets won't go well on a 3gb card. Don't know what you're trying to prove. As many comparisons and review state that when comparing to a 6gb card which runs inline with the X
And from the same guy who made the video ACO in 4k on the 3GB card runs basically at med settings with reflections turned off etc at about 25fps. Not comparable to the X at all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cti31Nw1_HQ
It actually has higher settings for drawing distances and at least, it is native 4k as opposed to XB1X.
Which goes against your original point.
At about 25 fps ? It does indeed drop around that when they switch to the eagle... and gets back to 30s when back to the main character. At native 4k, as opposed to XB1X.
Again not anywhere near X settings being set to the highest. Plus the textures are a huge hit compared to the X or any gpu running with more vram. My point stands 3gb cards do not have the ability to run games with high res assets