Full of jokes, pop culture references, 70's-80's tunes, and the inability to commit to any emotional drama?
And, I say this as someone that likes GOTG.
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Guardians of the Galaxy is what I wanted post Star Wars VI to be
- Thread starter BitByDeath
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I like GOTG but I don't really want Star Wars to go the same direction. Neither franchise is entirely serious or entirely comedic, but the balance in GOTG leans considerably further towards comedy and silliness than the original Star Wars trilogy did. A lot of the stuff with Ego was pretty heavy...
...which was a moment I enjoyed, silliness and all, but it's not the sort of thing I'm looking for in SW. Not mainline SW anyway; I'd be open to seeing an anthology film with a lighter tone. Rogue One had a pretty different tone from the main movies as well, but something going in the opposite direction could be fun. Lord and Miller being fired from the Han Solo movie seems to indicate that's probably not what Lucasfilm wants to do though, which I think is a missed opportunity.
...like him killing Peter's mother and so many of his children, but then on the other hand he briefly turns into David Hasselhoff just before their final battle...
...which was a moment I enjoyed, silliness and all, but it's not the sort of thing I'm looking for in SW. Not mainline SW anyway; I'd be open to seeing an anthology film with a lighter tone. Rogue One had a pretty different tone from the main movies as well, but something going in the opposite direction could be fun. Lord and Miller being fired from the Han Solo movie seems to indicate that's probably not what Lucasfilm wants to do though, which I think is a missed opportunity.
can't agree. I mean the movies are not obviously serious, but they do some heavy things you just wouldn't expect from a comedy.
#1 opens with a boy watching his mother die of cancer in a hospital bed
#2 ends with Rocket crying at the funeral of the only man who said he understands him
etc
I find this "undercut" criticism vague and unconvincing
This fucking comment killed me more than it should have... I'm in tears.
Stealing this next time I need to be a smartass.
ANH, ESB, and ROTJ all are inherently political. Such is the nature of a...rebellion. Now, the boring delivery that Lucas brought in the Prequels? Sure. But then Rogue One built quite well upon OT material. The Force Awakens suffered from not letting the material breath the way the OT did.
I love Batista but a character like Drax wouldn't survive in Star Wars. In fact none of the characters would. Maybe Gamora.
GotG Character: *insert meme joke* *is strangled to death by random Force user*
Peter Quill: *plays 80s Earth music* *is strangled to death while everyone sits back to John Williams's dramatic, original, Oscar-winning score*
GotG Character: *insert meme joke* *is strangled to death by random Force user*
Peter Quill: *plays 80s Earth music* *is strangled to death while everyone sits back to John Williams's dramatic, original, Oscar-winning score*
Remember when a bunch of teddy bears beat the empire? Or EXSCUEEEZE ME?
The biggest thing working against Solo's death is Ford's desire to be killed off in Jedi already.
I still think they pulled it off, and Kylo is an important part.
But I went in expecting Luke to bite it, so I guess that helped in my case. Motherfucker barely showed up.
I still think they pulled it off, and Kylo is an important part.
But I went in expecting Luke to bite it, so I guess that helped in my case. Motherfucker barely showed up.
Guardians works because it's from a world where Star Wars existed. It can do it's own thing without relying on the heavy lifting that Star Wars did to make "sci-fi fantasy" mainstream. Rocket wouldn't work without Chewbacca having been a thing, etc.
Would I rather watch the Guardians movies over Episode VII and Rogue One? Absolutely. Nothing in the entire Star Wars saga has the emotional weight of Yondu's sacrifice, except maybe the Throne Room battle at the end of RotJ. But I don't think Star Wars would work with more personal stakes as it's currently set up (Rogue One is a good case for this because really who gives a fuck about Jyn's dad?). I hope that Episode VIII starts to change this with the Luke stuff.
At the same time, the epic nature of Star Wars is hurting it as well. The annualized nature of those movies now also makes them feel less epic and frankly the spin-off movies could use some more character-centric, on the fringes type stories instead of galaxy spanning battles of good vs. evil.
Really I'm just glad they both exist and can more or less do their own things.
Would I rather watch the Guardians movies over Episode VII and Rogue One? Absolutely. Nothing in the entire Star Wars saga has the emotional weight of Yondu's sacrifice, except maybe the Throne Room battle at the end of RotJ. But I don't think Star Wars would work with more personal stakes as it's currently set up (Rogue One is a good case for this because really who gives a fuck about Jyn's dad?). I hope that Episode VIII starts to change this with the Luke stuff.
At the same time, the epic nature of Star Wars is hurting it as well. The annualized nature of those movies now also makes them feel less epic and frankly the spin-off movies could use some more character-centric, on the fringes type stories instead of galaxy spanning battles of good vs. evil.
Really I'm just glad they both exist and can more or less do their own things.
Im pretty sure Tazerface is alternate timeline Jar Jar who got told to fuck off by Kenobi and Qui-gon.
For the record - I don't agree. There are similarities but have different aims.
At the end of the day the only things SW should take from GoTG are likable characters and a sense of adventure. Shit that makes you feel like you're witnessing something new and want to find out more about it.
Even the prequels had that.
There's none of that in TFA.
At the end of the day the only things SW should take from GoTG are likable characters and a sense of adventure. Shit that makes you feel like you're witnessing something new and want to find out more about it.
Even the prequels had that.
There's none of that in TFA.
Anecdotal, but when I saw it opening day, I didn't hear any cries or anything when they killed han and kind of glanced a little and didn't really notice anyone look really sad.
After watching the baby CGI tree dance to a 70's pop hit for 5 straight minutes I was like "This shit is up there with Schindler's List."
The prequels had likable characters?
Gotta call bullshit on that one.
Who the hell actually believes that Young Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Padme are more likable than Finn, Poe, and Rey?
I actually totally agree with you that Yondu's death had more impact and that's because Gunn's script did a much better job of setting up their history and paying it off. Star Trek 09 was definitely a better movie than TFA as well.
Ewan McGregor. The guy shines through all 3 movies as Obiwan. There is no one like that in TFA from neither the old or new cast of characters.
I don't think they're that comparable either, but I will say this much: the first GotG was the most fun space adventure I'd watched in ages. I truly liked some of the MCU movies before, but Guardians was the first one to strike a nerve and hit home completely. I loved everything about it and it's still by far my favorite MCU offering. It's not just a great MCU movie, it's a great movie full stop. GotG vol 2 didn't have that same magic for me, but it did come close by how it handled Yondu, making him the most interesting character of the entire film.
James Gunn turned out to be really good at this.
James Gunn turned out to be really good at this.
it is because some av club article probably said it, so now everyone repeats it to look like a film critic
Yeah, I definitely don't agree. I enjoyed both GotG movies a lot and TFA did leave a lot to be desired, but they're both miles apart. About the only similarities between the two is that they're both space operas. Beyond that...
I totally disagree. Harrison Ford has mailed in the Han Solo character since after ESB. He was pretty bad in ROTJ and even worse in TFA.
A good chunk of the blame is on Harrison Ford and his acting, or not really his acting, but that he let the fact he obviously didn't care about doing this anymore show through his acting.
LoL! The only reason he "shines" is because Ewan is a good actor, and Obi-Wan was an amazing character from the OT. If all you had to go on was the PT version of Obi-Wan, you'd think he was just as flat as the other characters.
It's the same reason Palpatine stands out in the PT: Because the PT characters are terrible.
Yondu's death hit harder than Han's because Yondu was a better dad.
This thread is really fascinating because people were criticizing TFA for being too much like a Marvel movie back when it came out.
There are no politics in TFA or Rogue One. Literally none.
This thread is really fascinating because people were criticizing TFA for being too much like a Marvel movie back when it came out.
When all the other leads are reading their scripts and doing ADR as if they're half asleep, ofc you're gonna shine through if you emote even slightly put more emotion in. The prequel characters were not likeable compared at all compared to the cast of TFA. Just the boost in script quality AND acting quality makes it no contest.
This isn't true at all. Rogue one depicted the rebellion to be a lot darker in it's methods than initially believed, and there was definitely some political commentary around the use of the death star.
nothing comes close to Star Wars for me. Even though guardians are in my top ten of all time. There's something more special about Star Wars to me that guardians doesn't pull of as well. It's probably just the fact that I see guardians more of a comedy then anything else.(which isn't a bad thing ). What they both do right is characters.
