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Guardians of the Galaxy is what I wanted post Star Wars VI to be

AndersK

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All Star wars movies are pretty up front about being critical of fascist dictatorships. Especially 'lawful' ones, like Palpatines rise in the prequels. You Might even say it takes a shot at

Imperialism



I'm not saying its super deep, but I can't really take the apolitical wishes seriously. It's the 'steaks' argument all over again.

Star Wars is political. It doesn't have to have the White House in-frame to be.
 
TheXbox

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VaporSnake said:
This isn't true at all. Rogue one depicted the rebellion to be a lot darker in it's methods than initially believed, and there was definitely some political commentary around the use of the death star.
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So what? The film doesn't depict any actual politicking. There is nothing like the Senate hearings or the musings on democracy in the prequels. If the OP was seriously criticizing Rogue One for its political commentary, this thread would look very different.
 
Skillet the Squirrel

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I like both GOTG and Star Wars just the way they are. The only real misstep with the Sequel Trilogy so far is having another Death Star. But Rey, Kylo, Finn, and Old Man Luke are awesome characters, and I am wholly engaged in their stories. It seems popular to drag on TFA lately, but I still love it. Can't wait for Last Jedi.
 
99Luffy

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Did you hear about the Grandpa scene that got cut from the first movie. Would have made an already great movie better.
Grandpa Quill we cut because he was in old age make up and we were a little afraid people wouldn't recognize that it was him from the beginning of the movie. And also, it was a pretty sad moment. It was Grandpa Quill and he has this photograph of Meredith and Peter as a little boy and he looks up at the stars and we go up to the stars and it was really sweet. It means that he must have seen Quill getting abducted at the end of that day and is still waiting for him to return but it was freaking sad so we took it out.
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Cuburger

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It doesn't quite scratch the same itch for me, but the universe building and fun in GotG were missing in TFA and the fun adventuring was missing in the Prequels. GotG is not a replacement of Star Wars for me, but it gets what I want to see from a cool pulpy space opera action film that Star Wars has lost the spirit of over the years, even in some of it's best incarnations. That sense of fun and wonder is what makes a good sci-fi action adventure for me.


Bronx-Man said:
The fact that Han Solo, one of the most famous characters in film history, died on-screen after returning for the first time in 30 years and NO ONE gave a shit is the most damning strike against TFA.
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I see people getting upset about this post due to a bit of hyperbole but what you are saying is completely true. They did not earn that death. It was a cheap way to elicit a reaction for the audience that cares about a character, to write out a character out of the story whose actor didn't want to be there, and for him to job to the big villain so you know he's a threat. For them to make it the only scene where this supposed father and son are sharing their first scene together on-screen and the last time they ever see each other felt insulting.
 
GamerJM

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I love both series and I think GotG is probably better than anything Star Wars post-RotJ, but no. The tone is a lot different. Yeah they're both fun space adventures but that's not an attribute unique to Star Wars.
 
Cuburger

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99Luffy said:
Did you hear about the Grandpa scene that got cut from the first movie. Would have made an already great movie better.
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That would have been sad.

It definitely seemed like Peter's Grandpa was someone who cared for him and probably took care of him when his mother (Grandpa Quill's daughter) started getting sick and while he is there grieving with his family over Meredith, his grandson runs away never to be seen again. Would have been cool for there to be some sort of closure with the character where maybe Peter gets to see him again when he comes to Earth for Infinity War or in Vol. 3.
 
CloudWolf

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Unique alien design? I can name exactly two: Groot and whatever that monster was at the start of Vol. 2, the rest just look like humans with a twist. And then there's the complete ridiculousness that apparently the entire universe talks English. There's no alien language to be heard anywhere in these movies, despite them taking place all over the galaxy.
 
Quinton

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Bronx-Man said:
The fact that Han Solo, one of the most famous characters in film history, died on-screen after returning for the first time in 30 years and NO ONE gave a shit is the most damning strike against TFA.
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Plenty of people did.

The two new Star Wars movies are what I want new Star Wars to be. TFA is almost precisely what I grew up hoping post-ROTJ would be. (The only miss here IMO is some of the worldbuilding is pretty rough.) I like GOTG and GOTG 2 a fair bit but that wouldn't have been what I'd have wanted. I don't think so, anyway.
 
jelly

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GOTG is very tiring to watch, it's so loud and messy. I like some parts but when they turn it up to eleven I just get really bored.

Force Awakens isn't great and is very by the numbers a lot of the time but I wouldn't want it anything like GOTG.
 
zoukka

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Couldn't even finish the first GotG, it was completely empty of any real emotion or characterization.
 
Enduin

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I liked GotG a lot, meh on 2, but they are not Star Wars at all. First and foremost I have zero interest in the galaxy of GotG. The way it's setup and presented doesn't pull me into that world and wanting to find out more about it. The Ravagers is probably the one thing that seemed interesting and was built upon in 2 to a meaningful degree, but the rest just feels like backdrop and spectacle.

Star Wars had/has this sense of adventure and mystery to the setting itself. Watching the OT makes you want to learn more about the universe, the history, factions, planets, species, etc. It just feels totally different and sucks you in.
 
Dalek

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Ahasverus said:
A silly comedy? Thank god you're not in charge.
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Could be worse.

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Bronx-Man said:
The fact that Han Solo, one of the most famous characters in film history, died on-screen after returning for the first time in 30 years and NO ONE gave a shit is the most damning strike against TFA.
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Shrug, he was one of the worst parts of the movie so it was nice to know moving forward we'd get less nostalgia filler and more focus on the new characters. The worst parts of TFA were when the old cast took up screen time to monologue about where theyve been.
 
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I haven't seen any of the episodes after IV except VII, and I enjoyed that a lot more than Guardians Vol.2, which I felt was really mediocre. Star Wars VII was an enjoyable adventure movie that didn't overstay its welcome.
 

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I like having both.
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Two space franchises focused on personal and emotional stories? I'm already signed up.
 
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zoukka said:
Couldn't even finish the first GotG, it was completely empty of any real emotion or characterization.
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Whereas in TFA I really felt the depth of emotion when Leia and Chewie completely stone-walled each other after Han died?
That's the level of 'real emotion or characterization' GotG needs to aspire to. Right? So that we get emotional payoffs through characters that feel real, and not have dramatic moments simply be signposts pointing towards the next expensive SFX scene.

Shit, even Qui Gon's death got me more than Han's did.
 
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Enduin said:
Star Wars had/has this sense of adventure and mystery to the setting itself. Watching the OT makes you want to learn more about the universe, the history, factions, planets, species, etc. It just feels totally different and sucks you in.
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GotG has more of that than any post 80's Star Wars movies.
 
Peristerium

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Han Solo's death was really awful. To top it off, I don't even give a shit about his son, which I'm guessing I'm supposed to.

For all of the complaints about GOTG not being serious enough, it actually managed to tug my heart strings more often than TFA. Groot final scene, the failed attack of the Nova Corps, Starlord's seconds flashback to his mom, and the ending letter.
 

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Guardians of the Galaxy bored me to tears. By the end I was barely able to pay attention. I couldn't bring myself to care about any of the characters, which is funny because it's the same criticism leveled against the new Star Wars films.

Still haven't seen the second GOTG, but I much preferred Rogue One and TFA, even if they do rely a bit much on mining the past.
 
RudiJ

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Bronx-Man said:
The fact that Han Solo, one of the most famous characters in film history, died on-screen after returning for the first time in 30 years and NO ONE gave a shit is the most damning strike against TFA.
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The reason for that is because everyone in their hearts knew he should have died in 1980.
 

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Uh, no thanks. Guardians is fine I guess, but utterly shallow and pretty forgettable (like all MCU movies). I haven't seen 2 yet though. Maybe because the first didn't really do much for me. TFA is infinitely better.
 
SABO.

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what, no way.

I love GotG but its on a completely different spectrum to Star Wars.

You can't just compare two movies because they're set in Space.
 
Epcott

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I like the original GOTG: Great action, awe, and chemistry... but after a few rewatches, that dance off ending was a little too goofy. And for all the family issues (and depth) the second had, it was a bit over the too with comedy (which on second watch was cringy). I like Star Wars the way it is. Even the political intrigue of the prequels had its place, since it laid the ground work instead by setting up the Empire. I'll even go as far to say that... I LIKED AOTC (forgive me).

Sure, the first was greatness, but not everything needs to be GOTG, that includes the upcoming Shazam.
 
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