If anyone was wondering what kind of horrifying new precedent has been set by the recent firings of two Arenanet developers, consider this comment on the r/Guildwars2 reddit. By no means is this an outlier in any of the threads, either.
Guild Wars Reddit on Recent Arenanet Firings: "We're literally running the company now"
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'We know how to do there jobs better'
The level of narcissism is astounding.
And people like this wonder why gaming communities are considered awful from certain people
The level of narcissism is astounding.
And people like this wonder why gaming communities are considered awful from certain people
RPS wrote up an article about Anet's pathetic caving as well.
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2018/07/06/arenanet-throw-two-guild-wars-2-writers-to-the-wolves/
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2018/07/06/arenanet-throw-two-guild-wars-2-writers-to-the-wolves/
We had a thread on these firings but it was locked.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/tw...attacking-community-members-on-twitter.53592/
https://www.resetera.com/threads/tw...attacking-community-members-on-twitter.53592/
I cant believe Arena Net bought into the pressure from KiA and fire two of their devs. Especially since reddit already had a bone to pick with one of the fired devs, but that's what happen when you let KiA the way the game goes.
They did do a great job at getting me to finally uninstall that damn game.
They did do a great job at getting me to finally uninstall that damn game.
Scary stuff. Gamers say the want people to see games as art and they want free speech for developers to make the games that they want. Unless.... they say something vaguely progressive.
This whole story feels like the start of a second GamerGate tbh...
This whole story feels like the start of a second GamerGate tbh...
Sounds like some people are trying to shape the narrative of what actually happened to place ArenaNet in a state of fear about their decision-making, which is probably out of the playbook of this kind of group -- they're powerless, and they're trying to gaslight to make it seem like they have far more control than they actually do.
I need to see how upvoted that comment was before saying anything about this, because I can't see that post being very high up. Link please.
Also, at least one of the two that got fired deserved it. She behaved absolutely disgusting towards people that were nothing but nice to her, and I really don't see how any company would've kept her on board after something like that. Pissing on your customers isn't the best way to keep your job.
Also, at least one of the two that got fired deserved it. She behaved absolutely disgusting towards people that were nothing but nice to her, and I really don't see how any company would've kept her on board after something like that. Pissing on your customers isn't the best way to keep your job.
Nah, she went off at someone telling her how to do her job. By this logic Kamiya should have been fired several times over.
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It's since been deleted by the user:
http://archive.fo/lt0wU
But the thread it was contained it is titled "Today was a huge win for the players" so that should give you a hint to the tenor of the community.
but he's a man, so there's no real reason to think about it in that case. in fact, he should be celebrated for being such a cool dude.
I bet you that kid looks like Martin Shkreli with a fedora. And he's never running his father's business, or any business.
Look at how high the kid got off of a whif of power. That screenshot in the OP is so unhinged!
Look at how high the kid got off of a whif of power. That screenshot in the OP is so unhinged!
No.
This:
https://twitter.com/DeroirGaming/status/1014280605599748096
Is not telling someone how to do their job.
delete r/guildwars2 and permaban accounts associated with the harassment. Take a stand, no consumer is entitled to harass the devs, shut them down, you have that power.
For as much as companies screw over gamers with microtransactions, gamers are worse in a different, more volatile way towards developers and the harassment needs to end full stop.
For as much as companies screw over gamers with microtransactions, gamers are worse in a different, more volatile way towards developers and the harassment needs to end full stop.
Jesus. I didn’t agree with the dev’s remarks and thought the firing was a bit much (but probably done to avoid the community continuing to complain about her). I didn’t expect that this ride would get even crazier though. Those people on Reddit are idiots and assholes.
How about you avoid using a single comment to represent the entire subreddit?
All you do is manufacture outrage instead of discussing the firing incident in the first place.
All you do is manufacture outrage instead of discussing the firing incident in the first place.
Sounds like a bunch of people deluding themselves into thinking they have power.
They’re so far outside the situation they’re taking credit for it’s kinda pathetic, actually. I guess they just need to feel like they’re making some sort of control, since stuff like this may well be their entire lives, or at least their biggest focus.
I just really hope this whole thing isn’t used to legitimise harassment. If they can spin this as “we took down these devs” then I can see a bunch of other sad people joining their pathetic ‘cause’.
They’re so far outside the situation they’re taking credit for it’s kinda pathetic, actually. I guess they just need to feel like they’re making some sort of control, since stuff like this may well be their entire lives, or at least their biggest focus.
I just really hope this whole thing isn’t used to legitimise harassment. If they can spin this as “we took down these devs” then I can see a bunch of other sad people joining their pathetic ‘cause’.
I fully agree with the firing, but let's not just cherry pick one comment out of a 2000+ comment thread to represent the whole community.
To be fair, she did come off as a pretty unpleasant individual over some tastefully handled constructive feedback.
does this start the downfall of ArenaNet? Makers of the game that shaped my teens in the original guild wars. 20k hours of gameplay, amazing stories and people I have met. Some of which I wish I could figure out what happened to.........but even my googlefu hasn't helped me find them :(
fucking reddit...........
fucking reddit...........
nah, highly unlikely
So it was downvoted into the negatives and no one in the community actually think like that except that asshole? And yet you start a thread shitting on that entire community? Fuckin hell....
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The thread and all it's comments, of which this is really just one of many, was upvoted to the top of the page of r/guildwars2, where it still is today. Stop trying to be obtuse.
Calling this the general reaction and the subreddit trash is very disingenuous since the subreddit downvoted it and it got deleted. The general tone is a lot better than people assume.
Also, ANet devs are not scared by these alt-right and GG people that poured in from a lot of bad subreddits just to "take credit" when the story blew up and ended up on the bigger gaming subreddits and even on the "all" one. They didn't have anything to do with this and don't run anything. They just think they do and it's super sad that the situation has led to them being fed.
Another story/narrative designer posted this:
Also, ANet devs are not scared by these alt-right and GG people that poured in from a lot of bad subreddits just to "take credit" when the story blew up and ended up on the bigger gaming subreddits and even on the "all" one. They didn't have anything to do with this and don't run anything. They just think they do and it's super sad that the situation has led to them being fed.
Another story/narrative designer posted this:
Well, here's the most upvoted comment:
"Her original post was well thought out and had a few excellent points. There could be some disagreement and discussion about some of it, which would have been healthy and perhaps even productive. However, she decided to be vain and toxic, lashing out and pulling out the "this is sexism" card to halt and further discussion. She then doubled down and called him a rando asshat. Apparently you should never disagree with her even slightly, or else you're an evil sexist pig. This is not how you hold yourself in public discourse, especially when you're representing a company. She deserved the boot, honestly. I won't celebrate it, but I am happy to see that Anet as a company took a stance against her toxic behavior."
which is a reasonable, balanced take and one I agree with.
So we have a few idiots making posts like the one in your OP, but much much more people who simply felt disrespected (as they should have) and are glad ArenaNet took action.
I really feel like very few people understand the context here. She's saying it's absolutely impossible to flesh out people's MMO characters. The youtuber posted saying he thinks it's the structure of GW2 and not an MMO issue. He's not trying to tell her how to do her job, he's just disagreeing that MMO characters cannot be fleshed out.
Also Kotakuinaction and GGers are raiding the subreddit, alot of shitty comments are from people that don't even play the game. Most people just want to move on past this.
In all fairness, did you see the tweets? It was completely uncalled for. Not to mention, from what I read in the closed thread, the person she went off on was apparently a fairly important community member of sorts, who had a character in the game.
If you have ever played a game in the genre you would know the guy's criticism had zero basis in reality
In before this thread gets locked too.
Reddit is trash, their firing was nothing to do with reddit and reddit users are deluded to think otherwise.
Reddit is trash, their firing was nothing to do with reddit and reddit users are deluded to think otherwise.
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