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Brandino

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Jan 9, 2018
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Do you guys think it is okay to keep a guitar in a case like this? Like, would it be more prone to humidity and the like than if it were in its actual case? Aren't there some finishes that may react badly to the foam of a guitar hanger/stand?
I don't think that will be any worse than having your guitar hang from the wall on a hook. I am by no means an expert though.
 

Hero_of_the_Day

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
4,137
Yeah, but I don't keep my guitar on a hook on the wall either, outside of when I'm playing/practicing. Outside of that I always keep them in the case. I live in Illinois, so we get freezing dry as fuck winters and scorching humid summers. So, I wonder if it something like that is as protective from nature as the actual case. I wouldn't see why not, but wanted to see what others thought.

Reading online about some finishes having bad reactions to the rubber of guitar stands, apparently it is nitro finish that it can happen? I can't find a clear answer on what my PRS has. Apparently modern ones use a proprietary mix that we don't get to know the details of. But, mine is from 2002, so that might not even be it. Either way, I guess cloth covers exist, so I would just get those.
 

teruterubozu

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,349
Yeah nitro finish and guitar stands don't go together. I kept a Gibson SG on a stand and the binding on the neck got discolored. I've seen some really bad paint distortion with Gibsons on hanging stands, like the rubber foam melting into the paint. The Gibson manual explicitly states that ANY rubber/foam stand is a risk.
 

CrudeDiatribe

Member
Oct 25, 2017
884
Eastern Canada
Alternatively, some stands claim to be safe with nitro. I have nitro guitars on a multi-guitar stand without issue, and the one single-guitar stand I'm concerned with I just have some cotton rags between the guitar and the stand is fine.

I deal with winter with an electronic humidifier with a hygrometer. Set it to 45% and keep it filled.
 

Hero_of_the_Day

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
4,137
I'll have to look into a humidifier with settings. I have always just used a cheap ass walmart thing for my bedroom during the winter. I got the go ahead from my wife that I can change our rarely used spare room into my guitar room in the coming months. Gonna fills some holes in the wall and get it painted and whatnot.

Think I'm gonna get one of those wall cases just to have a guitar always right there easy to grab.
 

SuperRiccardo

Member
Dec 17, 2018
140
Why is it so hard to play and sing at the same time and when it will get easier? :D
I need to learn Last of Us 1 and 2 soundtrack :D
 

ch4534532

Member
Jul 3, 2019
167
are there any overdrive/distortion pedals that work well the achieve a heavy sound on the boss katana. i'm getting the 100w version and i've heard that it isn't the best for metal and stuff like that. no djent or anything like that, i just want a chunky sound. i've read that something like a tube screamer mini in front of it will tighten it up and allow that heavier chug sound. i know the amp comes with boosters options in it, but i've seen some people online mention that stacking a real pedal in front works well.

anyone have experience or insight on this? i know od pedals are typically for tube amps, so i'm wondering what i'm looking for to get that decent chugs on this amp.
 

teruterubozu

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,349
are there any overdrive/distortion pedals that work well the achieve a heavy sound on the boss katana. i'm getting the 100w version and i've heard that it isn't the best for metal and stuff like that. no djent or anything like that, i just want a chunky sound. i've read that something like a tube screamer mini in front of it will tighten it up and allow that heavier chug sound. i know the amp comes with boosters options in it, but i've seen some people online mention that stacking a real pedal in front works well.

anyone have experience or insight on this? i know od pedals are typically for tube amps, so i'm wondering what i'm looking for to get that decent chugs on this amp.
Why would you get a katana if you hear that it isn't best for the kind of music you play? Anyway, I think the katana is a bit overrated. Great price point, but there are other much better non-tube amps out there if you are looking for authentic-sounding high gain. From my experience, pedals just don't gel with modeling amps at all - you're basically just adding to an already bloating signal chain that exists internally in the amp. For chugga-chugga on a solid state I would go with an Orange Crush, plus it's an analog solid state amp so it takes pedals very well.
 

ch4534532

Member
Jul 3, 2019
167
Why would you get a katana if you hear that it isn't best for the kind of music you play? Anyway, I think the katana is a bit overrated. Great price point, but there are other much better non-tube amps out there if you are looking for authentic-sounding high gain. From my experience, pedals just don't gel with modeling amps at all - you're basically just adding to an already bloating signal chain that exists internally in the amp. For chugga-chugga on a solid state I would go with an Orange Crush, plus it's an analog solid state amp so it takes pedals very well.
i like to play different kinds of music. i haven't played in years but i'm starting back up and trying to decide on an amp. metal is one of the things i enjoy to play, so i want an amp can do it well.

with a budget of $600-$700, can anyone recommend me a tube combo that can do heavy stuff well and is somewhat versatile? it would need to sound decent at bedroom volumes, since that's where i would be using it. i was just looking at the marshall dsl20cr.
 

turbobrick

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,057
az
Alternatively, some stands claim to be safe with nitro. I have nitro guitars on a multi-guitar stand without issue, and the one single-guitar stand I'm concerned with I just have some cotton rags between the guitar and the stand is fine.

I deal with winter with an electronic humidifier with a hygrometer. Set it to 45% and keep it filled.
This is what I do. I have rags on the top where the neck is and at the bottom on a few. Though I think all my stands are good anyway since My explorer rests on the bottom and its fine.

I also have a humidifier in the house to keep things steady. Though I live in Arizona so it runs almost all the time when I set it to 40%.
 

teruterubozu

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,349
i like to play different kinds of music. i haven't played in years but i'm starting back up and trying to decide on an amp. metal is one of the things i enjoy to play, so i want an amp can do it well.

with a budget of $600-$700, can anyone recommend me a tube combo that can do heavy stuff well and is somewhat versatile? it would need to sound decent at bedroom volumes, since that's where i would be using it. i was just looking at the marshall dsl20cr.
The Marshall DSL series is solid. Personally I would bump up to the DSL40 just in case you want to jam with people. It has a voltage switch so you can play at bedroom levels as well. You might as well also check out the Blackstar HT Club series, they’re always compared head-to-head with the Marshall DSL.
 

Vas

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,000
i like to play different kinds of music. i haven't played in years but i'm starting back up and trying to decide on an amp. metal is one of the things i enjoy to play, so i want an amp can do it well.

with a budget of $600-$700, can anyone recommend me a tube combo that can do heavy stuff well and is somewhat versatile? it would need to sound decent at bedroom volumes, since that's where i would be using it. i was just looking at the marshall dsl20cr.
Marshall DSL is the way to go if you want to use the amp's gain channel. For the best results, consider running a good transparent overdrive pedal in front of your amp. It will tighten up your palm muting considerably. Just dial down the gain to 0 and crank the level knob. Boss SD-1 will give you a professional-quality OD for 50 dollars new. I'd recommend that.
 

Hero_of_the_Day

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
4,137
Got this today with some gift cards I got for my birthday:



Seems pretty cool so far. I have only messed around with multieffects built in loopers. So, having a full dedicated one that doesn't have a short record time is nice. Two individual tracks with volume control is pretty fucking sweet as well.

The only thing that seems odd to me is I can't figure out how to just set a BPM for the built in drums. You can tap tempo them, but it'd be handy to be able to just put in the number. Gotta find a download for the instructions, maybe I'm just missing it.
 

Brandino

Avenger
Jan 9, 2018
153
Is the action always high on an acoustic guitar? I was noodling a few at Guitar Center the other day and I noticed that it was a lot higher compared to electric
 

Vas

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,000
Got this today with some gift cards I got for my birthday:



Seems pretty cool so far. I have only messed around with multieffects built in loopers. So, having a full dedicated one that doesn't have a short record time is nice. Two individual tracks with volume control is pretty fucking sweet as well.

The only thing that seems odd to me is I can't figure out how to just set a BPM for the built in drums. You can tap tempo them, but it'd be handy to be able to just put in the number. Gotta find a download for the instructions, maybe I'm just missing it.
Ooh that's dope. I need a looper bad so I can better fine-tune my pedal setup. Let me know how it sounds.

BTW, I think I found the guitar of my d'n dreams:



It's an SG standard like my current one, but it's the goldtop color. Makes me wonder if i could make my SG look cooler if I replaced the black pickguard with a different color. I like the all-black SG but it's a little bland at times.
 

turbobrick

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,057
az
Ooh that's dope. I need a looper bad so I can better fine-tune my pedal setup. Let me know how it sounds.

BTW, I think I found the guitar of my d'n dreams:



It's an SG standard like my current one, but it's the goldtop color. Makes me wonder if i could make my SG look cooler if I replaced the black pickguard with a different color. I like the all-black SG but it's a little bland at times.
I often wish the SG got more interesting color options like the les paul does. For most of the models its a case of I hope you like red or black.
 

ch4534532

Member
Jul 3, 2019
167
The Marshall DSL series is solid. Personally I would bump up to the DSL40 just in case you want to jam with people. It has a voltage switch so you can play at bedroom levels as well. You might as well also check out the Blackstar HT Club series, they’re always compared head-to-head with the Marshall DSL.
Marshall DSL is the way to go if you want to use the amp's gain channel. For the best results, consider running a good transparent overdrive pedal in front of your amp. It will tighten up your palm muting considerably. Just dial down the gain to 0 and crank the level knob. Boss SD-1 will give you a professional-quality OD for 50 dollars new. I'd recommend that.
thanks for the advice. my worry with the 40 watt dsl (or even the 20 watt, for that matter), is that it still won't sound good for the bedroom volume i'm talking about. i know about the power feature for this purpose, but i've seen a few reviews of people saying it still needs to be pushed a little bit to get the sound you want. would an overdrive pedal help with this? i know little about tube amps, but i know that OD pedals are supposed to drive the tubes harder, right? does that mean an overdrive would allow me to get the tube sound at lower volumes?
 

Vas

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,000
thanks for the advice. my worry with the 40 watt dsl (or even the 20 watt, for that matter), is that it still won't sound good for the bedroom volume i'm talking about. i know about the power feature for this purpose, but i've seen a few reviews of people saying it still needs to be pushed a little bit to get the sound you want. would an overdrive pedal help with this? i know little about tube amps, but i know that OD pedals are supposed to drive the tubes harder, right? does that mean an overdrive would allow me to get the tube sound at lower volumes?
Tube amps are rather limited at bedroom volumes, but an OD pedal will give you that tube breakup sound at the low volume. I can get a great tube amp sound out of my Fender Hot Rod Deluxe with the help of an OD pedal. That amp is famously loud and hard to dial in at low volumes and I'm still very happy with the tone I get. Fuzz, in particular, sounds 10x better with a tube amp vs. a solid state.
 

turbobrick

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,057
az
Yeah. Exactly. This seems like it would sell, I don't get it.
Because its Gibson, which has been pretty shit for a while. I honestly don't think I'd ever buy another one.

I have 1 gibson, and 2 epiphones, and my dad also has a Gibson. The Gibsons just feel like no one bothered to put effort into making the guitars. Both my Epiphones feel like they went through a much better QC process. Granted the Epiphones both feel cheaper because they use cheaper materials, but the attention to detail is higher. They also span a long year range as well. I have a 2003 Epiphone les paul custom, a 2015(I think) Epiphone explorer gothic, a 2016 Gibson explorer, and my dad has a 2007 Gibson les paul.
When my dad ordered his les paul, it took until the 3rd one because the first two he got sent had flaws.

However, I haven't played a custom shop model, and I have played a higher end SG in a guitar center that felt alright, but overall its pretty hit and miss, and I'd rather just buy something else.
 

Vas

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,000
Because its Gibson, which has been pretty shit for a while. I honestly don't think I'd ever buy another one.

I have 1 gibson, and 2 epiphones, and my dad also has a Gibson. The Gibsons just feel like no one bothered to put effort into making the guitars. Both my Epiphones feel like they went through a much better QC process. Granted the Epiphones both feel cheaper because they use cheaper materials, but the attention to detail is higher. They also span a long year range as well. I have a 2003 Epiphone les paul custom, a 2015(I think) Epiphone explorer gothic, a 2016 Gibson explorer, and my dad has a 2007 Gibson les paul.
When my dad ordered his les paul, it took until the 3rd one because the first two he got sent had flaws.

However, I haven't played a custom shop model, and I have played a higher end SG in a guitar center that felt alright, but overall its pretty hit and miss, and I'd rather just buy something else.
I think I've bought my last Gibson, as well. I have been chasing a sound for the last year and in all honesty, it's the sound of a Fender Telecaster. I'd be happy with a Mexican one, tbh. I find the differences negligible.
 

ch4534532

Member
Jul 3, 2019
167
Tube amps are rather limited at bedroom volumes, but an OD pedal will give you that tube breakup sound at the low volume. I can get a great tube amp sound out of my Fender Hot Rod Deluxe with the help of an OD pedal. That amp is famously loud and hard to dial in at low volumes and I'm still very happy with the tone I get. Fuzz, in particular, sounds 10x better with a tube amp vs. a solid state.
do you think the dsl20cr would be easier to get a good lower-volume sound out of than the dsl40cr, or will it not make any difference?
 

Vas

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Oct 25, 2017
4,000
do you think the dsl20cr would be easier to get a good lower-volume sound out of than the dsl40cr, or will it not make any difference?
Both amps have a low wattage mode and that's most assuredly what you'll be using the most for your bedroom volume.

I can't tell you how differently each amp might respond to your playing, but quite frankly, I have a 40watt tube amp and I've never had to turn it up past 3 at gigs. It gets so loud that it will make you physically ill. Now, most every club as a sophisticated PA system. You simply don't need a lot of power. So I'm going to recommend you go with the 20. But, honestly, amps aren't my area of knowledge, honestly.

EDIT: Honestly.
 

Nappuccino

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
4,677
So, uh . . . I just got confirmation that my Black Box Overdrive 2 is bought. I'm not entirely sure why I just bought this boutique pedal. I'm still neck deep in this PhD. But, what the hell. Maybe I'll start recording again.
 

ch4534532

Member
Jul 3, 2019
167
does anyone in here have any experience in getting heavier sounds out of a katana? i'm just looking for tight palm muted stuff, not crazy heavy shit or anything like that. just standard tuned chunkier stuff that isn't twangy.
 

Vas

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Oct 25, 2017
4,000
does anyone in here have any experience in getting heavier sounds out of a katana? i'm just looking for tight palm muted stuff, not crazy heavy shit or anything like that. just standard tuned chunkier stuff that isn't twangy.
I do. Boss Katana can really do it all, as far as conventional setups go. Put the amp type to "Lead," crank up the gain, and then crank up the booster of your choice and you got a legitimate pro-quality metal sound, in my opinion.

Some effects are fantastic. I think their Tube Screamer and RAT booster effects are near perfect. In fact, you'll have a much easier time dialing in a usable tone with them than the real thing. Big Muff setting is not so hot. It sounds 'out of breath' to me, like it's chugging along the best it can. And TBF, my Big Muff into a solid state amp is unusable IMO. Into a Tube amp, it's my favorite dirt sound. So it's just one of those things. I can speak to those 3 because those are my holy trinity of dirt that I keep on my board. I can't tell you how accurate the Guvnor or the MXR + boosters are, unfortunately. Never owned em.
 

ch4534532

Member
Jul 3, 2019
167
I do. Boss Katana can really do it all, as far as conventional setups go. Put the amp type to "Lead," crank up the gain, and then crank up the booster of your choice and you got a legitimate pro-quality metal sound, in my opinion.

Some effects are fantastic. I think their Tube Screamer and RAT booster effects are near perfect. In fact, you'll have a much easier time dialing in a usable tone with them than the real thing. Big Muff setting is not so hot. It sounds 'out of breath' to me, like it's chugging along the best it can. And TBF, my Big Muff into a solid state amp is unusable IMO. Into a Tube amp, it's my favorite dirt sound. So it's just one of those things. I can speak to those 3 because those are my holy trinity of dirt that I keep on my board. I can't tell you how accurate the Guvnor or the MXR + boosters are, unfortunately. Never owned em.
out of curiosity, why the lead channel instead of brown?
 

Vas

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Oct 25, 2017
4,000
out of curiosity, why the lead channel instead of brown?
In my opinion, the Brown channel is a bit too bright and fuzzy for the metal tones I like. I think it's better for stuff like punk/shoegaze/emo/alternative. I think that channel is for when you want a wall of sound, when in metal, I generally want a tight, controlled, and precise tone. BUT, that's just my personal tastes. I think both channels can be dialed in for a tone that's usable, i just prefer the Lead over Brown, myself.
 

ch4534532

Member
Jul 3, 2019
167
In my opinion, the Brown channel is a bit too bright and fuzzy for the metal tones I like. I think it's better for stuff like punk/shoegaze/emo/alternative. I think that channel is for when you want a wall of sound, when in metal, I generally want a tight, controlled, and precise tone. BUT, that's just my personal tastes. I think both channels can be dialed in for a tone that's usable, i just prefer the Lead over Brown, myself.
oh, cool. do you think something like the boss sd-1 would do anything goof for the katana, or should i not bother with pedals on it?
 

Vas

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Oct 25, 2017
4,000
oh, cool. do you think something like the boss sd-1 would do anything goof for the katana, or should i not bother with pedals on it?
In my opinion, you are fine without an OD pedal with a Katana because the booster section puts a number of perfectly adequate OD clones in front of your virtual amp. The only pedal I would put in front of a Katana would be in a very specific situation. I'll explain: (I got a TL;DR: at the bottom if I'm not doing a great job of explaining this)

In the Katana, you have basically 4 sections:

1. Amp Emulation (Your virtual amp)
2. Boosters (OD, Distortion, Fuzz, EQ Boost) / Modulation (By default it's Modulation effects like Chorus/Phaser/Flanger, but any effect can be assigned to this knob)
3. Delay (Tape, Analog, Digital, etc) /Effects (Any included effect pedal can be assigned here, as well)
4. Reverb

By default, the order of the 4 sections is Booster > Amp > Delay > Reverb. In my opinion, you should never need to rearrange this layout.

So, most every pedal board has pedals placed in this order:

1. Tuner
2. Pitch/EQ (Octave, Pitch shifter, Wah)
3. Drive (Compressor, Boost, OD, Distortion, Fuzz)
4. Modulation (Chorus, Phaser, Flanger, Tremolo)
5. Delay
6. Reverb.

Check out section 3. That's your drive section, which will work in conjunction with your own amp's gain to craft a beefy distortion tone. But, what about all those other effects after Drive? Wouldn't that interfere with the tone of the amp's drive if it comes between your boost/drive section and your amp? Why yes, it would. This is why most amps have what is known as an effects loop. It's an additional set of input/output jacks that allow you to place effects after your amp's preamp section. Not needed if you plan on using pedals for all your drive needs, but definitely needed otherwise.

Fortunately, because of the Katana's Boost > Amp > Delay > Reverb setup, you got a virtual effects loop right there! No worries, no thinking needed. You can dial in a killer sound with the turn of just 3 knobs.

For this reason, the only pedals I would put in front of your Katana as someone getting into guitar gear would be something you would want before a booster pedal. For the vast vast majority of players, that's basically a tuner, and maybe a wah. You simply don't need anything more than what the Katana comes with to get an incredibly versatile and usable sound.

The Katana can emulate perfectly a real OD pedal boosting your Amp with a Delay and Reverb in the effects loop. And it comes ready to this right out of the box without ever having to mess with the computer program. As time goes on, this amp will quickly educate you about effect placement and dialing them in. It has a built-in Noise Gate, too, which is a must for high-gain guitarists!

TL;DR: If you were going the Orange Crush or Marshall DSL route, then I would definitely suggest getting an overdrive pedal to run in front of your amp. The beauty of the Katana is that you don't need it.
 
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ch4534532

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Jul 3, 2019
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Vas

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,000
now i have a new contender. 20w 6505+ mini head. there's a 1 and 5 watt mode which is really appealing to me since i'll have to play at bedroom volume most of the time.. there's a combo on guitar center that seems like good value.


does anyone know if that cab should be decent? it has a 25w greenback celestion. i know nothing about speakers.
Yes, that will be a great cab.
 

Vas

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,000
New pedal day.... we gotta talk about this one:



I can't explain it. The Modulation is like Rainbow-Machine tier weird. It can be a normal warm analog delay, and then it can get into wild territory. Here is a demo of it I recorded:


I start with normal delay and then we get spoopy.
 

Vas

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,000
Shout outs to all my people out there who bought the Boss Katana within the last 6 months and didn't know they were fixing almost every problem with it with a new version. I wonder how much the price has gone up?
 

Hero_of_the_Day

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
4,137
Man, Randy Rhoads really was a fucking beastly guitarist. I need a new song to learn as I just finished the one I was working on today. I started messing with Crazy Train, and fuck me. Forget about the solo, that is way beyond me. But, even the rest of the song is just filled with little riffs, and the dude just constantly changes things up like like he didn't believe in repeating a riff the exact same way. Crazy that he was almost a decade younger than me when he died and he was coming up with shit like this.
 

teruterubozu

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,349
What's really amazing about Randy Rhoads is he double-tracked every solo note for note. Apparently Max Norman the engineer thought he was crazy when Randy said he wanted to double-track everything and he was blown away when he did them all in just a few takes.