You really think gunownership would have prevented Nazis to take Jews from their homes?
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Gun/Nazi rally in Richmond, Virginia
- Thread starter GrapeApes
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So instead of thinking that our course of action when it comes to police should be to demilitarize them like any sane person, you instead align yourself with the opinion that we should instead arm the populace the same way just so we can be on equal ground.
I genuinely cannot believe you are serious, because if you are, you really need help.
I can't believe this thread is still going on. From the time it started till now, I've already passed my background check and am ok to go pick up my new pistol caliber carbine.
I'm surprised to see this intensely pro-2A and militarizing citizens side of QuantumZebra.
It's doom prepper levels.
Curious what his response is to this:
It's doom prepper levels.
Curious what his response is to this:
Honestly as a POC gun owner. I've noticed that white gun owners are more blasé about firearms ordinances being parsed against them. And it's not that I don't also do the possess some of the exact same items they discuss openly, I'm just very hesitant to talk about it amongst people I don't know.
And even in the 2A community, like gun shows, I have to endure stupid racist ass questions before some Bubba will sell me AK magazines or whatever.
be a true man and get an Anti-materiel rifle,in case an armored convoy comes to take your freedom away
Pro Nazi citizens routinely helped Nazi escort Jewish citizens and participated in intimidation. The idea that guns would have protected Jewish citizens from the majority is 2nd Amendment purists deluded fantasy. The moment Jewish citizens fired upon anyone they would have been eliminated on the spot, skipping right past concentration camps.
Hell we saw this in the US plenty of times. A great example? Rosewood Florida. a 94% black self sufficient community that was burned to the ground by jealous whites. They went into the town shooting, burning, and hanging black folks left and right, and when black Americans defended themselves with guns, news spread like wild fire and white mobs from out of town traveled to Rosewood to help "put down" the unruly black Americans using their 2nd amendment rights. There were no scores of white Americans pointing their guns against their fellow white Americans to help protect their minority friends. If the government was leading the charge who here really thinks majority of white Americans would have pointed their weapons against the government on behalf of black Americans? Because you a fuckin lie if you think so.
Required reading on Rosewood. Please understand there were a bunch of racial riots like these. Rosewood, Tulsa weren't some random one offs
Or better yet, white Americans literally pointed guns against Japanese American citizens and helped the government round them up to send them to internment camps. As I previously stated, and absolutely perfect example of the government turning tyrannical against it's citizens, and all we saw were white American citizens helping the government to do it. None of that fighting against the government or anything. This is also during a time in history in which the federal government considered black Americans as not equals and treated them as such, but once again at no point did white Americans arm themselves against the federal or state governments.
And I can guarantee if this VA pro gun march/protest was hundreds of Muslims, and black Americans walking down the street masked up kitted out with guns and pro black/muslim flags this entire thing would be viewed soooo much differently. And there would be death sadly.
People are absolutely fucking delusional if they believe white Americans who as a group aren't the biggest on fighting for minorities in a general sense against other white people, would for some fucking reason magically decided to literally arm themselves and risk their lives fighting against government and racist whites for minorities. Like I'm not sure what scenarios in US history have people thinking such romanticisms but people should lay off the opioids.
2nd Amendment and guns are for white people to help subjugate minorities if ever needed.
I own a gun but I am under no delusion that 2nd Amendment is for me, or that it'd save me if the government ever saw fit to round people like me up for whatever reason they wanted.
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I'm not worried about the government. I'm concerned about racist white people.
CZ Scorpion with a Midwest Industries handguard and a SB tactical PDW brace.
Rosewood, Wilmington, Tulsa...
How many dozens of black communities were destroyed? How many innocent lives lost?
The right to bear arms did nothing to protect them.
Yes. Keep dying black people. Don't resist.
I should have let that skinhead head shoot me in the face instead of buying a firearm.
There are a lot of great arguments for gun control/restrictions/buyback/bans and I agree with a whole lot of them. This is not one.
Zing!
But In an indirect way, yes. When I called the police to say that a dude had pointed a weapon at me, the officer kept trying to lead the conversation down the "What did you do to provoke that? You must have done something to anger him. I can tell by this conversation that you are the type of person who provokes others."
Between that and how much my medical bills were for cancer, it was an open invitation to become a leftist.
Damn, that's pretty nice. I got a KelTec Sub 2000 gen 2 a couple years ago, the folding aspect is pretty cool. Thinking about modifying it at some point so I can use a scope while still being able to fold it. Something like this https://www.redlionprecision.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=R11
I like those KelTec's. I see a lot with that little Vortex Sparc AR red dot on them. Or a SIG Romeo red dot.
Add the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising to the list of failures. The residents there were well-armed, and all their arms got them from the fascists was quicker extermination.
I have always been a "prepper" of sorts as I have extensively studied history and with climate change on the horizon we're primed for some crazy shit in the next 50 years.
And I 100% agree that the 2A crowd has ties to racism that must be expelled 100%. I hope the Black Panthers being present at the Virginia Rally and various POC there opened a few eyes.
If *anyone* in this country needs to protect themselves, its people of color. The shitty double-edged sword is they are also more likely to be killed by police even when obeying the laws ( Philando Castile ).
The flip side is that a person of color can get shot holding a candy bar. Hell, they get shot just existing. At this point, why wouldn't they arm themselves?
My counterpoint would be simply that they were going to be rounded up anyway - at least they have the *chance* to fight back.
If things get so bad that the government is murdering its own citizens... should we not fight back? That's the crux of my feelings on this.
Get a laser and grip, flip scopes will lose their accuracy after multiple uses
That was the other thought I had. Might end up doing that too.
So they don't make themselves an even easier target than they already are? A gun isn't gonna do shit agaisnt the police except give them one more reason to light you up and it's not like they aren't doing that at the drop of a hat already.
As someone who's "extensively studied history", you should know the 2A crowd is a white supremacist world. They are not aligning themselves with Black Panthers or other PoC-led armed groups. They are the ones arming themselves and intimidating PoC at Arizona migration control points and showing up at mosques. The reason to acquire weapons is to be ready for the hypothetical race wars? Like Angelus Errare said, it'll be PoC dying for no real purpose because white Americans are surely not going to help as mentioned with Rosewood, children internment camps, Japanese internment camps, amongst examples of PoC subjugation by the government.
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can't wait for apple to buy a few carriers and then just sends targeting data to the irs instead of taxes
I gotta recommend this podcast. These people's minds have been poisoned by propaganda and they REALLY REALLY want a civil war. Lots of folks at this rally aren't beyond saving, they just like guns but they are listening to the "boogaloo" people.
My counterpoint would be simply that they were going to be rounded up anyway - at least they have the *chance* to fight back.
If things get so bad that the government is murdering its own citizens... should we not fight back? That's the crux of my feelings on this.
As someone who's "extensively studied history", you should know the 2A crowd is a white supremacist world. They are not aligning themselves with Black Panthers or other PoC-led armed groups. They are the ones arming themselves and intimidating PoC at Arizona migration control points and showing up at mosques. The reason to acquire weapons is to be ready for the hypothetical race wars? Like Angelus Errare said, it'll be PoC dying for no real purpose because white Americans are surely not going to help as mentioned with Rosewood, children internment camps, Japanese internment camps, amongst examples of PoC subjugation by the government.
You're 100% correct about that.
However people seem to be forgetting that whites will be a minority in the US in ~50 years.
If PoC exercise their 2A rights and arm themselves, stand up for themselves, and rally like they did in VA, there will be fewer alt-right / cuckoo groups thinking they can just start pushing them around.
The basic argument is that 1) a mass-armed society carries its own huge cost in life due to guns increasing the accident rate, suicide lethality, impulsive homicide rate, lethality of the crime rate etc. but 2) does little to nothing to stop tyranny. I routinely see ahistorical arguments floated by pro-gun folks along the lines of "if only the Jews had been armed..." so I'm in part responding to that.
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For sure - there's historically been times where an armed populace fought back (revolutionary war, civil war regardless of politics), and then the flip side (the Warsaw incidents and Holocaust).
When it comes to the US though, there's one big issue that most people who are 100% anti-gun don't look at (IMO) - there's I believe 3-4 guns per citizen in the US. An astronomical number.
You outlaw guns completely you've made millions of law abiding citizens into criminals, and you are now knocking on doors and confiscating arms (which will inevitably lead to deaths such as with the red flag incident in MA, and also searches of people's homes for other things such as weed or whatever).
I agree that there should be a thorough background check process and training for anyone that wants a license to own and bear arms - but banning guns outright (in the US) isn't even remotely reasonable, logical, or even possible, IMO. If we wanted to do that it should have been done 100 years ago or more. You're better off cutting off the ammo supply - but even then people can just make their own (as they can make their own guns).
I'm not for a total ban. Regulation and a full gun registry, yes. With the goal of gradually reducing gun ownership and the costs on society that mass gun ownership imposed on us all.
Navigated back to this topic specifically to post this. Thanks for beating me to it. It's absolutely essential for anyone under any allusions that the current major wave of anti-gun regulation advocates aren't crawling with a significant contingent of bigots single-mindedly devoted to not just regressing the country but criminalizing black and brown people, non-Christians and anti-fascism and convincing people in their orbit that it's themselves as gun owners who are on the chopping block. Most striking thing I got from the podcast is how many people in positions of power there are who not just aren't interested in pushing back against that gross element but actively invested in advancing their agenda and aren't being called out for it by mainstream press. One would be too many but there are multiple states where "boogaloo" politicians and political movements gaining power.