Bought RE4 day one for my gamecube. It's still on my top 10, but I prefer Bloodborne over it.
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Gun to your head : Which is the better game - Resident Evil 4 or Bloodborne?
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Bought RE4 day one for my gamecube. It's still on my top 10, but I prefer Bloodborne over it.
I bought RE4 for my GameCube at release. Then for PS2, then for Wii and for PS4... And I still think that at least for me Bloodborne it's a better game. It's a better pack for me because I love the gameplay and the aesthetics are a joy for me as a die hard horror fan. RE4 it's an awesome game, but I will always have some complains about "taking care" of Ashley or the military stuff. RE4 it's a 99.9/100 and Bloodborne a 100/100 haha.
Bloodborne for a more complete package. Not to mention the incredible uniqueness of its theme and setting, nothing quite like it.
There's no need to belittle the results, just because they don't align with your personal tastes.
I'm 44, probably among the oldest on the thread, and I voted for Bloodborne. I'm a longtime horror fan, so I had played all Resident Evil mainline games, in fact, RE1 pretty much brought me back to gaming, until RE4 turned me away from the series. Personally, I'd put the original RE2 over it, despite of the PS1 looks, but even it wouldn't top BB for me. I didn't care much about the RE2 remake due to how Mr. Chase changed the classic for the worse.
The thing is you can just as easily make the "you obviously haven't played it either" argument in Bloodborne's favor too given how opaque and challenging those games are.
If anything Bloodborne edging out a lead is a testament to just what a great achievement it is.
If anything Bloodborne edging out a lead is a testament to just what a great achievement it is.
This thread got me thinking. Is there a western made game in recent times that comes close to re4, bloodborne and BOTW?
Perhaps the Witcher 3 or gta5?
Perhaps the Witcher 3 or gta5?
Agreed.
I don't think those two are quite there, when it comes to gameplay and level design. The Last of Us might be though, perhaps Soul Reaver as well aside from combat and block puzzles. SR certainly had unique boss battles, and intriguing story & world building. In a sense BB reminded me of it with its intertwined world in ruins, and slowly unfolding mysteries.
Not even close. Both games have some real gameplay issues (stiff controls, repetitive mission design, lack of gameplay polish...). The good thing about BB, Re4 and BotW is that aside from looking really good, the three games are really fun to play and have some top level design.
Bloodborne has 'plain and uninspired' level design
Imagine being this wrong about something
Also the answer is Bloodborne. RE4 is great but has not aged well at all.
I've played both and I've no idea which is better because I don't know how to quantify such a thing,They are both great games that's for sure.
Bloodborne gets the vote from me based on setting and lore alone.When I account for the challenging game play and great Miyazaki styled game design it becomes a no brainer.
Bloodborne gets the vote from me based on setting and lore alone.When I account for the challenging game play and great Miyazaki styled game design it becomes a no brainer.
People judging RE4 by today' standards
How can anyone that was alive during RE4's launch go for Bloodborne is beyond me
Bloodborne is amazing, but RE 4 was something from the future. It changed the industry in ways that Bloodborne didn't.
Maybe Demon's Souls would be a better contender, since it was an inovation at the time, but even then ...
Over the shoulder camera wasn't a thing before RE 4. The audio/visual presentation was unnmatched. Cutscene direction was far ahead anything at the time.
I think that this time your love for Bloodborne went too far, Era lol
How can anyone that was alive during RE4's launch go for Bloodborne is beyond me
Bloodborne is amazing, but RE 4 was something from the future. It changed the industry in ways that Bloodborne didn't.
Maybe Demon's Souls would be a better contender, since it was an inovation at the time, but even then ...
Over the shoulder camera wasn't a thing before RE 4. The audio/visual presentation was unnmatched. Cutscene direction was far ahead anything at the time.
I think that this time your love for Bloodborne went too far, Era lol
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None of that would matter in terms of discussing which game plays better today though? Like I said if influence was the criteria than we can always stop at pong being the best game in the world.
Truly great games stand the test of time. I think RE4 does btw.
RE4 was incredibly novel and exciting at the time but Bloodborne has stayed with me far longer in spite of coming out 10 years later.
This kind of discussion is brought up over the years again and again, and the same goes for "best movies" polls over the internet.
Watching The Matrix nowadays is not the same as watching it back then. It's flaws are much more noticable now because action movie coreography evolved, CGI evolved and etc.
So It's fair to go beyond my personal experiences today, and try to remember what I felt at the time, the cultural/industry impact and etc.
If we always just go by our present standards, the discussion becomes meaningless imo
Well, Demon's Souls is already 10 and I still think it's a better game than RE4.
To this day I think Demon's Souls is criminally underrated by the SoulseBourne crowd, and probably wasn't even played by half of them. :(
I loved RE4 back in the day (I had a GC but I think I bought it for PS2 actually), but I've no desire to play it again. BB, I'll pick up right now and do a platinum run. It's just personal preference, eh. They're both great games, what's the comparison exactly, that there is a horror theme?
Witcher 3 destroys all of those IMO. Probably the only game I replayed in my life.
But see, this is why I think RE4's influence is greatly overstated in the context of this thread. It's much more of a technological innovation than a design one. People previously mentioned in this thread "you can feel RE4's influence to this date when playing Uncharted 4", and while that's technically true, you can't feel RE4's level and enemy design in Uncharted 4, you can't feel the precise limb damage to set up unique melee finishers, you can't feel the importance of positioning due to the limitations of your character's movement.
RE4's camera angle revolutionized gaming. Its specific game design elements? Not so much, unfortunately. Kill.Switch came before and even had a cover system, by the way, which is more what newer TPS would lean into than RE4's superb gameplay. RE4 was just more famous and better, and was around when 3D gaming was early enough that a camera position could be considered revolutionary. Don't you remember people shitting on RE5 for not being able to move and shoot at the same time, while pointing to games with vastly inferior combat to show how it should be done? No one gave a shit about what made RE4~5 gameplay good, unfortunately, they only wanted the most superficial elements to remain.
Miyazaki, on the other hand, changed the way people who were making games long before he decided to join the industry think about level design and combat pace. God of War was around before Miyazaki joined the industry, the newer God of War namedropped Dark Souls in interviews to talk about the combat pace, and Bloodborne as an inspiration in level design. The organic multiplayer introduced in Demon's Souls would find its way to Watch Dogs, of all things. This is the game design itself being influential and impacting the industry, not just realizing that they can copy a camera position and then do their own thing with pretty much anything else.
It's still a fact that RE4 had a bigger impact on the industry, but the reason for that has nothing to do with a "which is the better game" discussion.
I definitely think the reason why it's underrated is because a lot of people didn't play them. I feel like the series really exploded in popularity with the PC release of Dark Souls 1, so on PC you don't have Demon's, and people who started playing them when the PS4 was already around can now play every single game in the series on the PS4, except for Demon's. Most won't bother to go back to the PS3 for one game, and that's assuming they even have a PS3.
It's a shame Sony didn't remaster it. They're probably saving it for the PS5 to make a bigger impact, but "a bigger impact" will surely come with artistic changes that may not be for the better. I wish everyone could experience it in a close-to-original way. That atmosphere is superb. It's not my favorite in the series or anything, but it's unique enough that I still find myself going back to it frequently, and that to me is more important than just being better.
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If Matrix viewed through today's lens is not as good as what it was viewing it in 1999 than all that means is the movie has not aged well and would not make it in the best made action movies list as of 2019. I am not sure why that is controversial or wrong to state?
I still think Matrix is an excellent action movie to watch today and hangs with the best action movies ever made despite the fight choreography showing its age btw. A lot goes into making an action scene special that goes beyond just the choreography - Context, music, stakes, cinematography etc.. Matrix excels in those even when compared to moves from today's lens.
Another example of a movie that came out in 1991 that still beats the shit out of today's films even with evolving CGI and Tech. -Terminator 2
Infinity war and End game have all the money and CGI in the world and yet their action sequences pale in comparison to the brilliance of T2. That is what makes the hall mark of a truly great movie. T2 will not show its age a 100 years from now. It will still be as fantastic as it was back then. Same with Mad Max Fury Road.
I dont buy the argument that you cannot compare art from different era because of reasons like - 'you had to be there at that time to get it'
Good art is good art and will stand the test of time.
That also means there's a nostalgia factor, particularly if the person played RE4 when (s)he was young. I was 30 at the time, so I don't look back to it with such rose-tinted glasses. I based my vote for BB on what I enjoyed more at the time it was released and now, which offered me more replay value, and had a more profound personal impact. After all, the poll is about personal favorites, not a cultural impact.
The topic asks which IS the better game. It IS 2019. Why would I answer which game was more influential to a question which is the better game? Maybe if the question had been written which WAS the better game. Good, better, best. Bloodborne is more enjoyable.
Played it day one. Didn't like it, still don't like. I'm not a particular fan of Bloodborne either, but it's still better than RE4.
Exactly. The question wasn't "which was more influental?". Everyone has their own definition of "good/better".
Hot take: Bloodborne is not only the better game but the more atmospheric and creepy piece of horror too.
I love what I've played of Bloodborne, but the FROM formula just doesn't work for me. I'm sure I could get through the game but I get frustrated by the slog. Just don't have the patience to trudge back to a boss for the tenth time. I won't deny how masterful the game is however and I'm sure if it ever clicks with me its gonna be one of my all time favourites.
Meanwhile Resident Evil 4 IS one of my all time favourites so it gets my vote
Meanwhile Resident Evil 4 IS one of my all time favourites so it gets my vote
Yep. Upper Cathedral Ward creeped me out more than anything seen in RE4.