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Hades, the first EGS exclusive, is coming to Steam on December 10th
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Uninformed in what way? If you don't want to buy it simply because it was at one time exclusive to EGS, that's exactly what I'm speaking on, and there's nothing to 'inform' that in the first place - either you fall into that category or you don't. You're not punishing Epic, or anyone else, by not buying the game, except for yourself (assuming you wanted it in the first place, which if not makes the entire point a farce to begin with).
There's really no winning if you want to punish developers and publishers for being unprincipled or whatever. My feeling is that they will take money if it's being offered to them because that's their security for the next 6/12/18 months or whatever.
However, what we do know 100% for sure is that Epic wants to prove games will sell on their store, because at some point they need to stop paying for these exclusives and actually start turning a profit on EGS. If games that have only been on EGS don't sell, but then succeed on Steam, that pretty much blows their plans out of the water, because Epic wants developers to eventually avoid Steam without them having to pay for exclusivity. They're relying on their barebones 88/12 split to be preferential enough for developers to avoid any other store.
In short, Epic are basically buying themselves a head start on sales here, and if they still lose then that's damning. When you think of it like that, they'd rather you not buy the games at all than wait a year for it to come to other platforms.
So if I want a game that went exclusive to EGS then I'll be supporting them after they arrive on GOG or Steam, because I know voting with my wallet against developers who sign exclusivity deals won't stop others from signing deals and I'll just be cutting my nose to spite my face. The console manufacturers will still do them, and even if EGS goes away in the PC space there will inevitably be another band of yahoos a few years down the line talking about the next indie gold rush.
That said, I'm not interested in criticising anyone for boycotting developers for their reasons. We all have to make our minds up about who we buy from and why, so if going EGS is a ding against you getting a game after the exclusivity is over, then that's your choice. I just think it's counter-productive if you otherwise would've bought the game on the store/client of your choice.
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I believe it's somewhat straight forward: exclusivity deal is over and they could use some additional sales. If anything Supergiant handled it the best out of the bunch: take for instance Phoenix Point dev who aside from breaking their crowdfunding promises, proceeded to initially refuse to provide Steam/GOG keys after the 1 year of exclusivity is over.
So in other words, you're being completely illogical - you're sending no message, you're simply not playing the game. Get over it.
Do you skip PC games that were exclusive to a console too? Because the situation isn't any different.
Again, you are literally turning the FF13 meme into reality.
You are incredibly friendly and attentive to what I write, I hope you realize that next time you try to engage and convince someone :).
Good day to you.
It's not an already completed game. They came in with the money early in development. You are spliting hairs if this doesn't count as funding development.
The effectiveness of a boycott is not just in the exercising of purchasing power to make a point, but also the communication of that point.
A game failing to sell on Steam in the abstract can mean many things, too many to even list. A game failing to sell on Steam backed by a vocal campaign of users saying exactly why they are not buying it sends a specific message.
"Voting with your wallet" is only ever part of the equation.
A game failing to sell on Steam in the abstract can mean many things, too many to even list. A game failing to sell on Steam backed by a vocal campaign of users saying exactly why they are not buying it sends a specific message.
"Voting with your wallet" is only ever part of the equation.
90% of Steam forums are complete disasters with an overabundance of shitposting. EGS users have had a support forum this whole time through r/HadesTheGame
I don't have a beef with SG taking the EGS deal since no promises were broken, they didn't have a Steam page up for advertisement, alphas and such. Though their messaging during EA launch was a bit... off. Still, get that money.
But I still haven't gotten Pyre and Transistor kind of bored me to tears. Loved Bastion though. So I might get Hades once it's 1.0. Who knows.
But I still haven't gotten Pyre and Transistor kind of bored me to tears. Loved Bastion though. So I might get Hades once it's 1.0. Who knows.
Can't wait for the PC Gamer article that uses Steamspy numbers to justify the EGS deal.
Having said that, this was probably the least offensive of exclusivity deals done. You can't blame the developers for taking it.
Having said that, this was probably the least offensive of exclusivity deals done. You can't blame the developers for taking it.
It's likely accurate to assume that most Steam Community hubs have a horrible signal:noise ratio, but Reddit was essentially the crux of Epic's "We don't need forums because the internet is itself a global forum" argument, too, and yet there are still multiple threads on Ashen's Steam Community hub regarding the actual game itself because players have bought it on EGS, encountered an issue or an unclear situation, and defaulted to the the place they most closely associate with video game discussion.
Rightfully, a lot has been said about how Steam Community hubs are moderated (or rather, how they aren't), but the notion that they're not needed because alternatives exist is, well, demonstrably false.
Please consider that there is a country that blocked Reddit (like mine, maybe there are others but dunno) and thus having reddit as support forum is useless. Discord as support also useless because you can't google a problem and then it gives you a discord post.
It says something that Supergiant released a new game and I had absolutely no idea. This is the first I've ever heard of Hades, but I knew about Transistor and Pyre long before they came out.
What sort of progression does this game have? I enjoy roguelikes with no progression and roguelites where the progression is "more things added to the pool", but I loathe roguelites that allow you to become permanently stronger. Rogue Legacy and its ilk are miserable to play. As long as Hades doesn't fall into camp C, I'll probably check it out.
I don't have a problem with supporting the devs on Steam when it finally releases there. There's not really any way to push back on large moneyhats, since devs probably shouldn't be refusing them at all. What matters is what devs do after the moneyhats dry up. I want a future where Steam continues to be supported, and if devs find there's a larger audience on Steam even after a year of exclusivity, that sends a strong message that they shouldn't voluntarily release exclusively on EGS.
I don't have a problem with supporting the devs on Steam when it finally releases there. There's not really any way to push back on large moneyhats, since devs probably shouldn't be refusing them at all. What matters is what devs do after the moneyhats dry up. I want a future where Steam continues to be supported, and if devs find there's a larger audience on Steam even after a year of exclusivity, that sends a strong message that they shouldn't voluntarily release exclusively on EGS.
It's definitely camp C. You get permanent currencies that you use on unlocking and then leveling up permanent upgrades between runs.
it's always monopolies this, gaben that. no! i was just ribbing about having to use another application!
Fear not. The ingame overlay will help you not venture too far from Gaben's warm and steamy embrace
Epic won't fund their next game. Why should they? If Supergiant fails on steam and they see EGS as their only haven, Epic doesn't need to pay anything.
I don't have a beef with them taking the egs deal, it benefited them and I like Supergiant but it doesn't mean I am going to rush out to buy their game.
I agree they have handled it better than most and they have been straight forward the whole time.
According to an old blog post - https://www.supergiantgames.com/blog/hades-pricing-and-the-epic-mega-sale/
- the game launched at $20.
- the game was available on EGS at $10 during the sale.
- the game is now $25.
Personally, I'm going to skip the game. There's plenty of other stuff to do, and that just rubs me up the wrong way.
- the game launched at $20.
- the game was available on EGS at $10 during the sale.
- the game is now $25.
Personally, I'm going to skip the game. There's plenty of other stuff to do, and that just rubs me up the wrong way.
I do wonder how much they plan on charging at Steam launch and 1.0 launch. I guess they can play the high game now that they have Epic's backing. It's just going to be tough to convince some people to pay 2x as much as people paid just a few months ago while the game is still in early access. Did that Epic sale force them to raise the price earlier than expected, or was that always in the cards? Launching on Steam at 19.99 (lets say 17.99 with a discount) sounds a lot nicer than a $24.99 Early Access title to me.
If Epic isn't paying, then their next game will appear everywhere - as it should.
I don't think this is likely because it will undermine the Steam sales and potential revenue for Supergiant. Of course Epic could strike another lucrative deal with them to cover that lost revenue but it would be such a clear slap in the face to the people who waited for the game on Steam and generate bad press so I doubt SG would agree.
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Already bought it on EGS in the Summer Sale but good to hear it's coming to Steam too for folks that seem allergic to another launcher.
I have this purchased on EGS already. Looking forward to playing it...
When it comes out of early access.
When it comes out of early access.
That's what I am saying. Another deal with them . And those developers won't care since they will think if steam guys didn't buy it when it was at epic . Might as well sell it on steam since they won't get it on epic anyway even if it's free .
I dunno just weird thinking but I wouldn't rule it out .
I'm not allergic to another launcher - I have Steam, uPlay, GoG and Battle.net
I'm allergic to scummy business practices.
Yep it is totally possible. You've made me scared now lol. Currently I'm planning on buying Hades when it releases on Steam in December and I don't fault SG for taking some Epic cash to ensure their studio thrives. But if they did something like what you're proposing I would not buy the game.
Then people wonder why these threads turn to shit. You simply could have posted that without the snide remark.
Because it's Hades, and it's the secret connection to what Kojima said which everyone misinterpreted as "crunch". At the same time that would also debunk that they crunch at Kojima Productions. Ha!
Bought this along with WWZ during the EGS Summer Sale (because it's just another launcher) and while it's a pretty good game (the both of them) it really made me realize how much I take Steam for granted.
- Game is not launching properly, wonder if anyone else has this problem?... no forums to find out.
- I wonder when the next update is going to release? ..... No info of the sort on the store page.
- Has to be a better strategy to beat the first boss.... No community guides.
- Maybe I'll invite some friends for co-op ..... Empty EGS friends list.
- No problem I'll make some new friends in the games group..... No groups
Try Discord. Also, Hades has the update timer on the main menu, alongside an ingame link to all the latest updates.
Food for thought:
The exclusive period may be over in December but the Steampage is open already and you can wishlist the game.
Any potential Hades EGS customer that prefers Steam and has no problems waiting, will probably buy it on Steam.
There could be a situation, that the guaranteed sales number is still not fulfilled. So it is insanely better for Supergiant if the customers bought the game on Steam.
If there are still, like 5000 to 10000 guarantees open, Supergiant gets nothing from it (because Epic already paid for those units) If those customers buy on Steam instead (or wait for it to release on Steam), they get a whole bunch of money.
Is Epic Ok with that?
The exclusive period may be over in December but the Steampage is open already and you can wishlist the game.
Any potential Hades EGS customer that prefers Steam and has no problems waiting, will probably buy it on Steam.
There could be a situation, that the guaranteed sales number is still not fulfilled. So it is insanely better for Supergiant if the customers bought the game on Steam.
If there are still, like 5000 to 10000 guarantees open, Supergiant gets nothing from it (because Epic already paid for those units) If those customers buy on Steam instead (or wait for it to release on Steam), they get a whole bunch of money.
Is Epic Ok with that?
It will always be better for developers for people to buy the non-EGS versions, that's just the weird perverse incentive of guaranteed sales.
Epic must be okay with this, because it's impossible to not foresee.
The only people benefiting from sales on the EGS are Epic, which is a major reason I won't buy things on it because I like to support developers.
How did you feel about Shovel Knight going the Treasure Trove route and raising its price?
Heck, EA games rising their prices in general.
Hell yeah it is.