with about 5 years of development time do you guys expect a HUGE amount of content? would you be satisfied with a typical 2 year development cycle amount, or would the additional time play into your expectations?
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Halo |OT| She's Gone, Sir
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With how starved Halo 5 was at launch, Infinite better be meaty. I want Arbys, Stinkles.
Let's go with a little higher quality than that.
But yes, with its dev time and the launch of 4 and 5.... it better be feature complete. It seems stupid comparing it to a 10+ year old game but it better have at least the feature set of Halo 3/Reach
BTB being late and never getting a single BTB dev map still irks me. Let's take a staple mode that has been there since the original and ignore it so we can make money off req packs for WZ.
I guess WZ was a cool idea at the time. However, it played out horribly in the long run.
Fuck WZ. That mode can go in the trash for all I care.
I guess WZ was a cool idea at the time. However, it played out horribly in the long run.
Fuck WZ. That mode can go in the trash for all I care.
While playing Control I can't help but pine for a Halo TPS in this style. RPG lite, progression lite, atmosphere, exploration and some gunplay etc. The H5 abilities lean into this sort of play too. Perhaps throw in a 2-3 man coop squad are we're in business.
I wonder what a TPS would be like with Halo aiming and movement still...
I wonder what a TPS would be like with Halo aiming and movement still...
Just tweak wz a little
It has potential imo
I enjoyed it before everyone started to Max out reqs and spawn camping started to happen.
Fixing those and the boring copy paste home bases would make it more enjoyable
It has potential imo
I enjoyed it before everyone started to Max out reqs and spawn camping started to happen.
Fixing those and the boring copy paste home bases would make it more enjoyable
Reach is like baseline what should be in at launch. 4 was okay in that regard too, but the slightly worse forge, armor custom, dominion not being as good as invasion, and spartan ops in place of firefight makes it hard to yearn back to that.
If Infinite launches in the state of Halo 5, it deserves low 60's metacritic imo. Like at the very least, give us Big Team.
It better, but all this talk about how long the engine is taking to build, it wouldn't surprise me if the game launched like H5. As much as I was impressed with what I've seen so far, I still don't have 100% trust in 343 to be able to deliver the goods.
Warzone is a decent enough concept but the req system and variant system made it impossible to balance. Snowballing was inherent to the design.
I don't think they should abandon the concept- but they need to go back to the drawing board when trying to figure out how to escalate the conflict over time.
I don't think they should abandon the concept- but they need to go back to the drawing board when trying to figure out how to escalate the conflict over time.
Well you know what they say...
I don't think balance with regards to snowballing should really factor in. That's how the escalation is supposed to work, and it's still better than the meat grinder that escalation was in, say, Invasion.
I don't think the issue was the REQs, but map design—especially since Warzone didn't really incentivize going for kills as the best path forward for winning the mode. Making it so there were only 2–3 easily campable spots for bases meant it was really easy to trap a team.
Well you know what they say...
I don't think balance with regards to snowballing should really factor in. That's how the escalation is supposed to work, and it's still better than the meat grinder that escalation was in, say, Invasion.
I don't think the issue was the REQs, but map design—especially since Warzone didn't really incentivize going for kills as the best path forward for winning the mode. Making it so there were only 2–3 easily campable spots for bases meant it was really easy to trap a team.
The problem is, the way they've implemented the escalation makes the game less fun for a lot of people. So when a game is designed to make odds increasingly insurmountable as time goes on, then the game is designed around a fundamentally poor concept.
It never should have been decided that success permanently grants players access to better weapons and vehicles that make it even easier to find future success. Especially not since it's limited only by how much grinding (or spending) they'd done previously.
If you look at why Arena works its because advantages are temporary - and its really hard to hold onto them without perfect execution. Making the reward for success weapons that are more powerful and easier to find success with is inherently a recipe for disaster. I know they want to differentiate from arena, but I don't think this is the way to do it.
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I'd ditch any pay to win bullshit entirely.
If you want you can keep the zany weapons as drops but don't make me have to earn or buy card backs for a chance to grab them.
Friendly reminder, you weren't even guaranteed a BR/DMR at launch if I recall. You had to have the card.
If you want you can keep the zany weapons as drops but don't make me have to earn or buy card backs for a chance to grab them.
Friendly reminder, you weren't even guaranteed a BR/DMR at launch if I recall. You had to have the card.
You know what must be HARD for them right now ...
To make an ARENA pvp playlist as CORE knowing it's not trending and hasnt been for years.
How do they shake it up to refresh it, make it famliar to vets but yet very attractive to new players?
Also to ensure that they dont get stomped by vets like us who can do a triple double jump 360 crouch ballsack in your eyeballs thatll kill you with teabag nades?
I think 343i is in one of the hardest spots.
Remember the one life mode they used hella resources on by taking their team to paintball matches?
i dont even remember that name. plus it was all forge anyway and wasn't exciting at all. lol
To make an ARENA pvp playlist as CORE knowing it's not trending and hasnt been for years.
How do they shake it up to refresh it, make it famliar to vets but yet very attractive to new players?
Also to ensure that they dont get stomped by vets like us who can do a triple double jump 360 crouch ballsack in your eyeballs thatll kill you with teabag nades?
I think 343i is in one of the hardest spots.
Remember the one life mode they used hella resources on by taking their team to paintball matches?
i dont even remember that name. plus it was all forge anyway and wasn't exciting at all. lol
I think 343 should focus less on trying to squeeze what's trending into the core gameplay, and instead should focus on maximizing the niche they dominate.
They need to fully embrace being a counterpoint to other shooters on the market - so that they can be where people go when they want a break from what has become the norm.
As far as attracting new players - I don't think the key lies neccisarily in New mechanics- but in social integration.
very good points indeed!
i know im going to be all in Slayer day 2 (after i beat campaign)
There is NOTHING that plays like Halo.
Stuff like Apex and CoD play much more similarly to each other than they do like Halo.
If I had to illustrate how similar they are.
Battlefield ---------CoD---Apex---------------------------------------------------Halo
Embrace that.
Stuff like Apex and CoD play much more similarly to each other than they do like Halo.
If I had to illustrate how similar they are.
Battlefield ---------CoD---Apex---------------------------------------------------Halo
Embrace that.
Ah yes, the stupefying idiocy of Breakout.
I hate round-based elimination games anyway, but having damage/health different from standard gameplay was mind-blowingly dumb. Even SWAT exploits core mechanics more logically, being "you don't have a shield," rather than "Magnum bullets do 58.43% more damage for some reason."
Breakout was trash and they kept trying to push it for esports and it never went anywhere. The majority of player base aren't playing Halo for round based elimination. What was worse is that they double down on it. The mode was pretty much dead and they dedicated a whole update on Breakout. Talk about a waste of resources.
5 is the best in encountering for me. One mistake and you're dead or didn't clucth the kill.
It shouldn't be up for debate but some people like to cling to bad opinions so....
Halo 5 needs better weapons and vehicles though. Good forge maps can only compensate so much.
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Reach had systemic, elemental problems hard coded into the personality of its gameplay. Go watch 100% bloom now and recoil in despair. Lumpen, nuclear grenades and concrete boots for the spartans. Once no bloom was patched in it still had the incurable condition of having #NoMaps; what was left was a grey walled dystopia, playing an approximation of The Pit or Sanctuary on what looked like a black and white TV.
Halo 4, near-unplayable trash, with again systemic problems like no maps, no descope, no red x's, no sprint penalty, loadouts, weapons from the sky etcetera etcetera. No amount of custom setting jiggery-pokery could save it. The competitive scene was on life support at that point, literally duking it out for $5k top prizes, majority of pros not playing.
MCC, actually unplayable trash for the first 9 months or so. An unprecedented failure from a premier gaming publisher, barely breathing at the functional level.
Halo 5 in comparison had the best day-one base settings ever seen in an online Halo game. Remember when Halo 3 flag return times were the same in small 4v4 settings as they were on Sandtrap? When there were power drains, and flares and radar jammers and shield doors all over the maps? When they would throw you out into the world with just an AR in your hands and stick one BR on the map? Halo 5 had, and still has, thoughtfully placed power ups and weapons on fixed timers. It has sensible flag returns times and largely well tuned stronghold hill placements and times. It solved the perennial AR/BR start civil war with Pistol/AR starts.
Mostly excellent dedicated servers. Mostly flawless framerate. Equal starts. No AAs. Spartan abilities and movement elegantly integrated (Spartan Charge the only real point of long term angst in the community). Playlist setting philosophy honed and iterated on by former MLG pros. Overall second best multiplayer in the series. Halo 4 to Halo 5 is probably the biggest leap in improvement from a major games developer.
Halo 3 is unbeatable. Sure, if you like the worst sandbox in the series with shitty FoV and movement.
Halo 2 was revolutionary. This I can get behind. H2 led the way for console online play.
Halo CE was legendary. This is the truth, plain and simple.
Halo 4 was bold. If by bold you mean trying to chase CoD and failing miserably then sure.
Halo 5. H5 is the most forgettable in my opinion. It's better than H4 in some ways and worse in others. It's just eh for me. Not bad, but not great either.
Halo Reach is iconic. I agree with this. It doesn't matter how you feel about it, there are a ton of mixed opinions from the best to the worst in the series. However, everyone REMEMBERS REACH.
Halo 2 was revolutionary. This I can get behind. H2 led the way for console online play.
Halo CE was legendary. This is the truth, plain and simple.
Halo 4 was bold. If by bold you mean trying to chase CoD and failing miserably then sure.
Halo 5. H5 is the most forgettable in my opinion. It's better than H4 in some ways and worse in others. It's just eh for me. Not bad, but not great either.
Halo Reach is iconic. I agree with this. It doesn't matter how you feel about it, there are a ton of mixed opinions from the best to the worst in the series. However, everyone REMEMBERS REACH.
came up with an interesting halo-gears analogy this morning playing gears 5 that i think helps explain why i've never been too into that series but am loving gears 5. posted in the gears 5 OT but thought i'd also share here:
TLDR, the best part of gears combat is exactly the opposite of the best part of halos, and gears 5 plays more to its strengths than it has in the past
TLDR, the best part of gears combat is exactly the opposite of the best part of halos, and gears 5 plays more to its strengths than it has in the past
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I think this is pretty fair. (Though I think flood is good, crawlers bad)
For me its simple- dodging things while shooting things is fun. The more engaged i an with the two sticks simultaneously, the more joy in getting out of the shooter. This I why I love gnasher battles and all of the weak, agile and persistent enemies Gears has to offer.
The worst parts of Halo and Gears to me is when game design dictated that I sit still and widdle down an opponents health (this is why I hate what has become of Hunters and why I generally hate prometheans. Halo's elites flipped that into a strength - if you aren't playing well - they'll take a ton of damage, but when your on your game, you'll stay on the move, and take them out almost a quickly as everyone else - it feels rewarding.
I've always liked gears- but the grub heavy battles often became a slog because they took so much damage that coming to a standstill and playing duck hunt became so necessary. With gears 5, Jack opens up the combat so much that you always feel empowered to keep in moving.
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The only way I can really see Halo 4 over Halo 5 is if you consider single-player only. I remember Halo 4 having interesting environments and vehicle levels, and at least the Prometheans were new then. Halo 5 is mostly a blur of Wardens with Wardens behind more Wardens, guarded by a pair of Wardens. I guess Sanghelios was pretty and that time you walked around a mining camp looking for clues was... something.
I had the least fun in reach ...
Halo CE had me replaying the campaign dozens of times
Halo 2 mp had me hooked!!
Halo 3 didn't push my hype higher, but I had more fun with friends in this game. Btb was great
Reach felt exciting until armor lock and jetpacks became the norm. Felt really annoying and the aiming / movement was clunky to me. A step back in enjoyment for me and my friends.
Halo 4 had cool graphics but MP was boring after a while
Halo 5 brought back halo 2 mp engagement excitement for me. But it took a while as we needed updates to fix aiming and etc.
So I'm really excited to see what they do with infinite.
Halo CE had me replaying the campaign dozens of times
Halo 2 mp had me hooked!!
Halo 3 didn't push my hype higher, but I had more fun with friends in this game. Btb was great
Reach felt exciting until armor lock and jetpacks became the norm. Felt really annoying and the aiming / movement was clunky to me. A step back in enjoyment for me and my friends.
Halo 4 had cool graphics but MP was boring after a while
Halo 5 brought back halo 2 mp engagement excitement for me. But it took a while as we needed updates to fix aiming and etc.
So I'm really excited to see what they do with infinite.
I'm convinced all 343 really has to do to make the "I C O N I C" Halo game people want is just ship a complete game content-wise. Reach was middling gameplay for most of its entire life but it didn't matter because we had Forge and file shares and the community. Halo 4 and Halo 5 I like the gameplay and campaigns way more but shipping without half the features that took another year to add hurt both critically (especially 5 without Forge and then without robust sharing features.)
I think I agree with you, the biggest being the variety of game modes. It is unfathomable that Halo 5 launched with the lack of gametypes and maps that it did.
Looking at the scope of the game now, its pretty nice, theres a ton of content, but it still isnt at par for the franchise
this is incredible
I saw some quick tweets/insta losts about it but is it even being streamed?
Tox versus Aspire right now.
I've only been casually paying attention to this, but it seems like Rec and Denial pulled out of Halo? They don't have squads and Pistola and Snipedown (formely of Rec) are teaming with Frosty and Eco. There's like no org support anymore.
Why are all the tournaments playing Halo 3 when Halo 2A exists?
H2A needs more maps now that I think about it. It's a shame we only got one DLC map and it was a BTB map.
You just answered your own question. Some of the forge maps are decent but the last thing pro leagues need is damn forge maps.
The Halo 5 esports decline can be traced directly to giving ESL exclusive rights and them pushing hamstringing progress for the first few seasons.
It could have been a great, long lasting scene if from the beginning, it was built to support grass roots growth
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