Happy 5th Korrasami-Aniversary! Or A discussion of LGBT characters in children's media in the past five years

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Today, exactly 5 years ago, The Legend of Korra ended on a shocking note, with Korra and Asami agreeing to go on a vacation in the spirit world together alone and staring at each other's eyes. Three days later, Michael DiMartino, one of the co-creators of the series, confirmed that Korra and Asami were in a relationship on his tumblr blog. This marked one of the first explicit LGBT relationships in Western Animation for children. While many western animation shows beforehand have had LGBT relationships they were usually either background characters or the shows were aimed at adults (and usually weren't that great). To have two of main cast, including the main character of the show, to be explicitly bisexual was quite a shock.

Now, I do want to mention that while I say explicit, I do so in semi-quotations. Despite the parallels to the wedding shown a few minutes earlier (not to mention the bisexual flag colors in the background during the final scene), there isn't an actual explicit confirmation of the relationship. There is no kiss, no calling each other girlfriend/sweetie, etc. It was vague enough that people were denying the relationship until the creators explicitly said it. But I do think Korrasmi is the one show that caused a gateway to more LGBT relationships being more explicit in Western Media for children.

Shows such as the Loud House, Adventure Time, Steven Universe, The Dragon Prince, She-Ra, and more have pushed the boundaries of LGBT relationships since then (while Steven Universe and Adventure Time existed before hand, they got more explicit in LGBT relationships as the years go by). I do hope that the boundry is kept pushed until it breaks and we can have openly LGBT characters in children's media without any of the hiding required to show them even still. As such, I wanted to celebrate one of the more major boundary breaks today.
 

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I don't know how sad this is, but this was unironically the best day of my life lol

Press F to pay respects to the handmaidens and feudal lords we lost along the way



 

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I finally watched She Ra after several people told me how queer it is and lord it makes me so happy
 

Finaj

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The Korra graphic novels Turf Wars and Ruins of the Empire continue their relationship for those curious on how it would play out.

Ruins of the Empire continues where book 4 left off with Kuvira's surrender and feels like a Book 5 that never got made.
 

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It felt like a last minute self pat on the back by Konietzko and anything dealing with relationships from the get-go on the show was a mess. Korra was worse off for that awful love triangle and part of the reason why I liked ATLA a lot more despite the latter also having a few dumb relationship shenanigans. That said at least they pulled through with it but other series like the other shows mentioned by OP have done a much better job with representation.
 

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I remember lying in bed watching the final episode and my heart went crazy when I realized it was happening, I was in tears at how great it was.
The reactions on youtube were genuinely heartwarming too, people literally bursting into tears.

LGBT representation in shows like this is so important, I'm only 26 and I wish i had seen people like me on television in the cartoons I enjoyed that could have made me feel better about what I was, it might have really helped me in my teenage years.

I'm really happy that stuff like this is becoming more common.

Even just recently, I watched this scene in The Dragon Prince with my boyfriend and it was truly special

And of course She-Ra and Steven Universe too
 
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It felt like a last minute self pat on the back by Konietzko and anything dealing with relationships from the get-go on the show was a mess. Korra was worse off for that awful love triangle and part of the reason why I liked ATLA a lot more despite the latter also having a few dumb relationship shenanigans. That said at least they pulled through with it but other series like the other shows mentioned by OP have done a much better job with representation.
Yeah it must suck when your show airs on a network whose executives won't allow you to show anything beyond vague handholding and then you get blamed for it
 

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I find myself constantly disappointed by the lack of M/M romances in all walks of fiction.
 

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The way the show handled the dynamics of abusiveness between
Catra and Scorpia
is so absurdly good. I would argue that in itself has been a queer narrative too, upturning normative notions of how to do relationships and love.
 
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It felt like a last minute self pat on the back by Konietzko and anything dealing with relationships from the get-go on the show was a mess. Korra was worse off for that awful love triangle and part of the reason why I liked ATLA a lot more despite the latter also having a few dumb relationship shenanigans. That said at least they pulled through with it but other series like the other shows mentioned by OP have done a much better job with representation.
I do agree that future shows are more explicit in their showing of lgbt relationships. And I do think Korrisami if it was released today would be far less well received. But LoK was one of the first to make headlines because of its lgbt relationship being far more explicit and concernining major characters. Every show the pushes the boundary is important because the ceiling cracks with each push. Hopefully, the glass breaks and we can have openly lgbt relationships in these shows.

Still, Korra still beats some other representation like MCU cutting Valkyrie’s bisexual cutscenes and instead using a creator cameo for the first explicit lgbt character in the MCU.
 

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Yeah it must suck when your show airs on a network whose executives won't allow you to show anything beyond vague handholding and then you get blamed for it
I'm not aware of how much specific skirting around it they had to do but I just remember being annoyed with the crappy build up with Mako in the first season and then the relationship drama in the later seasons.
 
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I find myself constantly disappointed by the lack of M/M romances in all walks of fiction.
It is dissaponting the lack of M/M relationships in fiction with really only The Dragon Prince being a good example. I do hope more M/M relationships happen in the future.
 
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I do agree that future shows are more explicit in their showing of lgbt relationships. And I do think Korrisami if it was released today would be far less well received. But LoK was one of the first to make headlines because of its lgbt relationship being far more explicit and concernining major characters. Every show the pushes the boundary is important because the ceiling cracks with each push. Hopefully, the glass breaks and we can have openly lgbt relationships in these shows.

Still, Korra still beats some other representation like MCU cutting Valkyrie’s bisexual cutscenes and instead using a creator cameo for the first explicit lgbt character in the MCU.
Yeah, we build upon what came before. Credit to each step along the way.
 

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There should be a word for something that's implied, rather than expressly stated.

It did nothing for me, because I missed the subtext and didn't consider myself queer at the time. If it were a few years later maybe I would have picked up something else from the scene.
 

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I credit Korra for what it did for its time. Looking at it today it is more a sign of how limiting the network was. I know the comics do a lot more, and I'm grateful for that.

There is still a huge amount of progress to be made, especially in films, but it is great to see how much progress has been made on television after Korra. I hope things keep moving forward.

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If this ever actually happens I might explode. The writing has been really good, but I always dread that the company that holds the IP won't let them actually make either character explicitly queer.
 

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If this ever actually happens I might explode. The writing has been really good, but I always dread that the company that holds the IP won't let them actually make either character explicitly queer.
Ignoring even the network for a moment, with only 13 episodes left and the two characters hating each other right now there's little chance they can realistically come back together romantically. The best case scenario is a more ambiguous ending where they're "friends" again and we're left to theorize about what comes next.
 

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Disney need to do it in one of their big animated movies.
Unfortunately, I don't see them doing it when they want to appeal to China.

Side-note: I haven't read the graphic novel yet, but does Nimona have LGBTQ characters in it? If so, the film adaptation could be that on a technicality (Disney owns 20th Century Fox and Blue Sky).
 

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I'm not aware of how much specific skirting around it they had to do but I just remember being annoyed with the crappy build up with Mako in the first season and then the relationship drama in the later seasons.
Bryan admitted on his Tumblr that he doesn't consider what they did a "big win" but hoped it would start the conversation.

I think they succeeded in doing just that.
 

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Unfortunately, I don't see them doing it when they want to appeal to China.

Side-note: I haven't read the graphic novel yet, but does Nimona have LGBTQ characters in it? If so, the film adaptation could be that on a technicality (Disney owns 20th Century Fox and Blue Sky).
I completely forgot Nimona was getting a series haha. It does have LGBTQ characters in it, yes.

EDIT: Also happy anniversary! I remember watching the finale with my sister and best friend and being kinda stunned because I couldn't believe what they were trying to do. My sister asked me about it the other day... she said I didn't seem excited (which I didn't for aforementioned reasons).

It's still nice though. Poppin bottles is one of my favourite tumblr posts.
 
Bryan admitted on his Tumblr that he doesn't consider what they did a "big win" but hoped it would start the conversation.

I think they succeeded in doing just that.
Yep, Nick did nothing but pretty much hamper the show.

From the writing process (forced them to rush writing Season 2), to episodes (season 4 lost an episode due to Nick but they were able to get it back by doing the clip show), to utter mismanagement (moving a Saturday morning show where it was doing great to Friday night and having season 3 episodes be leaked to what they did with Season 4), and as stated above limiting what the two show runners could do with Korra and Asami when that was there plan since the end of season 2 and Nick again limiting them.

But they were the first major big cartoon show to do it and help get it started which is amazing, and the comics are great for Korra and Asami the Korra comics are good better then the Avatar ones
 
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Korrasami being canon was really important in 2014, although how it was implemented may seem quite timid or excessively subtle now. It's crazy how much has changed in terms of queer representation in children's tv in the past few years.

I wish we could see the same thing in theatrically released animated films, but films have to partially rely on the international box office (China in particular) so that's a lot less likely, unfortunately.

Yep, Nick did nothing but pretty much hamper the show.

From the writing process (forced them to rush writing Season 2), to episodes (season 4 lost an episode due to Nick but they were able to get it back by doing the clip show), to utter mismanagement (moving a Saturday morning show where it was doing great to Friday night and having season 3 episodes be leaked to what they did with Season 4), and as stated above limiting what the two show runners could do with Korra and Asami when that was there plan since the end of season 2 and Nick again limiting them.

But they were the first major big cartoon show to do it and help get it started which is amazing, and the comics are great for Korra and Asami the Korra comics are good better then the Avatar ones
Ugh, I wanted to love Korra more than I did. Nickelodeon wasted so much potential.
 

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OK KO was pretty good about prominently featuring a relationship between two women (and no one being able to say it isn't gay because they're space rocks), with Enid and Red Action.


The final episode also showed a wedding between two male side characters.

Speaking of which, My Little Pony is a bit of a mixed bag. People who worked on the show openly admit to including gay relationships in the background, including between male characters, but very little was shown in the foreground. The final episodes did have this, though.



Still way in the background, however.
The final episode also implies Applejack and Rainbow Dash are together, but it's left vague.
Also Scootaloo's aunts are a lesbian couple, but this isn't explicitly stated. They could just be relatives who are living together if you close your eyes.
 
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Which one was the one that had kids with weird al pony in MLP. I thought that was applejack. I don't know shit about the MLP lore
 

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This is now a thread about how incredibly horny for Rose Pearl was and is and always shall be. Give this stringbean a big pink haired lady please.

 

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nick sucks so bad for initially only ordering season one and then fucking over the show at every opportunity after that

bastards
 

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As alluded to in the OP, The Loud House is another good example, namely with Clyde’s dads as well as Luna.
 

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Its not technically animation but The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance had one character with two fathers.
 

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The new Voltron had its issues, and the ending leaved a lot to be desired, but having the main character be an out gay man is pretty groundbreaking for the type of show it is.

I really hope it gets a sequel series that continues with Shiro.
 

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also i cant believe its been five years since that lol, time really flies doesnt it

Cartoon Network is generally better about this than Nick from my understanding
 

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Still vividly remember watching the final and the happiness it brought me, I listened to the final track on repeat for a week while reading fan fiction and looking at fan art. So powerful for me.

At that time I had big dreams that we would have a Lesbian Disney princess within 5 years, and while I love the subtext in Frozen 2 let's just say my dreams have died for this possibility within the next decade even.
 

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Korrasami is one of the most wholesome ships I've ever encountered. I love them sfm. I was very pleasantly surprised when they got together at the end of the series.

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I do feel that I should mention the sheer emotion many people had watching the finale had (including me). It was hope for many. It turned the chances of LGBT+ relationships in this medium from an impossibility (or at best, a secondary or background character and at worst, an unfunny cruel joke) to a small chance of actually happening. And that hope, however small, is what drove a lot of Korrasami fans to adulation during the finale.
 

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To be perfectly honest, I felt the Korrasami thing was a little out of nowhere in the end. Both of them dated Mako but there were reasons it didn't work, but when Korra and Asami decided to explore the Spirit World, they were holding hands and staring at each other at the last few seconds. At the very least, it was only a hint that their relationship was just starting, but since there were no lead ups to this, it felt last minute. If I missed anything that proved otherwise, then I apologize, but that was how I felt watching this series from beginning to end. But at least the comics begun fully developing their relationship.

On the other hand, there was something throughout Adventure Time's run that begun hinting that Marceline and Bubblegum may have been more than friends (Marceline's song in the episode "What Was Missing" started this).

There were more elements between the two going forward. Fast forward to the Finale, and they finally kissed.