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Hardcore History | Recent release: Supernova In The East 3
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It's quite a coincidence that The Dollop just had a whole episode on Hiroo Onoda, which is an extra weird coincidence because they very rarely step outside of American (and Australian) history.
This is a real interesting subject, especially pre-American involvement.
If people are getting into the series Death Throes is probably the best but I think Blueprint is his magnum opus.
Also as some input on a previous discuss, I think Dan's politics are very much geared towards constitutional freedoms and anti-corruption. In that vein, most of his way of thinking makes sense, especially the belief that neither party is really different.
If people are getting into the series Death Throes is probably the best but I think Blueprint is his magnum opus.
Also as some input on a previous discuss, I think Dan's politics are very much geared towards constitutional freedoms and anti-corruption. In that vein, most of his way of thinking makes sense, especially the belief that neither party is really different.
An hour in and this is such a significantly better episode than Painfotainment. More "classic" hardcore history type of thing.
I love how I fully expected from the description for the show to be about the Second Sino-Japanese War and I'm totally not surprised that one hour into the show we are deep into the Edo period.
So far this is a significant improvement over the past two episodes, it's a focused narrative unlike Painfotainment and a much more interesting and fresh story compared to Celtic Holocaust. So many Carlinismis though as expected, cultural carrots and sticks and whatnot.
So far this is a significant improvement over the past two episodes, it's a focused narrative unlike Painfotainment and a much more interesting and fresh story compared to Celtic Holocaust. So many Carlinismis though as expected, cultural carrots and sticks and whatnot.
depends on your definition of WW2 I guess
Japan was burning down East Asia for quite a while before the Nazi Reich invaded Poland
It is, but Carlin likes context.
Which means a crash course of mediaval japan and an exented view of it's rise as an imperialist power.
Edit: also it saddens me that so many disliked the cletic holocaust episode. I thought it was great and an point of view you don't hear too often.
I'm also from a former cletic region though, so i may be biased.
I feel like the quality and insight really has fallen of. That last common sense was more or less pointless rambling. Haven't listened to the new episode of HH yet, is it any good?
I've had the same thought with the last few - I feel like he kind of jumped the shark with the last Death Throes of the Republic episode and has gotten more and more indulgent since then. I haven't gotten through a HH series since Wrath of the Khans and feel like Carlin could do with an editing pass to cut down on the repetition and the frequent comparisons to the modern day. He's such storyteller but he can really get bogged down at times.
But I'm 3/4 of the way through this episode and enjoying it a lot. Japan in China is a big part of the Second World War that goes under-noticed and it seems like he's going to be spending a fair bit of time on that which is nice. Hopefully his sources are good.
^^That's crazy talk.
Blueprint for Armageddon is his best work.
I think the problem is we get like 2 episodes a year. So if he releases 2 "sub par" (by his standards) episodes, it feels like its been years since a good series. :P
Blueprint for Armageddon is his best work.
I think the problem is we get like 2 episodes a year. So if he releases 2 "sub par" (by his standards) episodes, it feels like its been years since a good series. :P
Hrm, so does he get into the Naval battle/Yamamoto stuff at all? Or next episode?
one of these days i'll get into this stuff
I keep wanting to like it but my mind just wanders too much with audio for me to focus on something like this for more than maybe a half hour or so
I keep wanting to like it but my mind just wanders too much with audio for me to focus on something like this for more than maybe a half hour or so
Just less noise because you can't really do low effort hot take posts based on glancing through a summarized short article or headline about a subject.
One note:
For years, I've always heard people say, when talking about Japanese ritualistic suicide, that 'seppuku' was this honorable term for the act and 'harakiri' was some offensive term that explicitly describes 'cutting of the stomach' in a dismissive way. It was echoed by Dan here. I always believed this to be true because I had no reason to doubt it.
However, I do not understand why this is thought to be the case anymore, considering the following:
Seppuku is "切腹"
Harakiri is "腹切"
Notice something? They are actually the exact same characters (which represent meaning) in reverse order. 腹 means 'stomach' and 切 means 'cutting.' So, actually both, in the plainest terms, mean 'stomach cutting.' There is no distinction between them I can see.
So, is this a misconception in the West or would there be some reason why this is thought to be true? In fact, I've always found that kun-yomi is seen as far more dignified and poetic than on-yomi in Japanese culture, which runs counter to the notion that Seppuku would be favorable to Harakiri. It is very possible I'm wrong about this one, though, because I've heard the same thing about Harakiri/Seppuku for at least 15 years from various sources, such as this podcast episode.
I'm just saying, Dan should apologize and cancel FFXIII for the XBOX360 or he can kiss his podcast goodbye.
For years, I've always heard people say, when talking about Japanese ritualistic suicide, that 'seppuku' was this honorable term for the act and 'harakiri' was some offensive term that explicitly describes 'cutting of the stomach' in a dismissive way. It was echoed by Dan here. I always believed this to be true because I had no reason to doubt it.
However, I do not understand why this is thought to be the case anymore, considering the following:
Seppuku is "切腹"
Harakiri is "腹切"
Notice something? They are actually the exact same characters (which represent meaning) in reverse order. 腹 means 'stomach' and 切 means 'cutting.' So, actually both, in the plainest terms, mean 'stomach cutting.' There is no distinction between them I can see.
So, is this a misconception in the West or would there be some reason why this is thought to be true? In fact, I've always found that kun-yomi is seen as far more dignified and poetic than on-yomi in Japanese culture, which runs counter to the notion that Seppuku would be favorable to Harakiri. It is very possible I'm wrong about this one, though, because I've heard the same thing about Harakiri/Seppuku for at least 15 years from various sources, such as this podcast episode.
I'm just saying, Dan should apologize and cancel FFXIII for the XBOX360 or he can kiss his podcast goodbye.
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Fantastic episode! Can't wait for the next one, but I assume it will be a tough listen. For those wondering, episode 1 covers until shortly before Nanking. I appreciated the crash course in Japanese history. I absorbed a bit from anime over the years so it was nice to have some extra context. I thought Dan's whole steroids / addiction metaphor fell flat though.
Can someone remind me, how often are episodes in a series?
Can someone remind me, how often are episodes in a series?
Word order matters in a lot of languages. There's a difference between a "green great dragon" and a "great green dragon", after all. Tokyo and Kyoto also use the same characters (Northern / Capital) but are distinct enough that nobody ever thought to rename Kyoto when Edo changed its name.
I don't know enough about Japanese to say for sure, but maybe sonething similar is happening here, where the meaning is subtly altered by the word order.
Oh my sweet summer child...
Between 3 and 6 months is typical these past few years
Well, you have a point, but Kyoto and Tokyo aren't quite an example of character order changing the meaning of a word or concept, but you are not that far off in a different way..
Tokyo is 東京 pronounced like To u kyo u.. The 'to' sound in Tokyo is to-u, and is often described as a 'long' o sound. It is represented the character 東 which means East.
Kyoto is 京都 pronounced like Kyo u to. The 'to' sound is short, and is represented by a different character for 'capital.'
They are not only different sounds, but totally different characters. However, where the confusion might arise is that Tokyo's official name is actually 東京都, or Tokyo-to. So, it *is* actually literally the same name as Kyoto, but with the character for 'East' in front of it.
So, as for character order, there is some precedent for it having changed the meaning of words.. 会社 vs. 社会 is a common example. (Kaisha vs. Shakai) where the former means an office/business and the latter means 'society' as a whole. However, in the case of Seppuku and Harakiri, the meaning isn't changed in the slightest. They both are terms for the same thing represented by the same characters.
The only real difference stylistic IMO, where one is based on on-yomi (Kanji Compound) and the other is kun-yomi, which is how the words would be read on their own instead of part of a compound. So, I must admit I have never known the character order to mean the same thing, but change the level of politeness or dignity of a word. And because most artistic, traditional, or dignified Japanese concepts tend to be expressed with the kun-yomi style, I would find it odd that if there WAS a difference, harakiri would be seen as less dignified than seppuku.
Can't wait for the next one. Despite the length, these episodes still feel like a tease for the next one!
I've been looking into other historical podcasts but so far have come up with a lot of guys that I'm sure know a lot, but seem like they are simply reading from a script. Whereas Dan always seems like he's just having a natural conversation about history with you. He's got quite a gift.
Anyone have any other good recommendations?
I've been looking into other historical podcasts but so far have come up with a lot of guys that I'm sure know a lot, but seem like they are simply reading from a script. Whereas Dan always seems like he's just having a natural conversation about history with you. He's got quite a gift.
Anyone have any other good recommendations?
You should give Mike Duncan's history of Rome and revolutions podcast a listen.
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Check out The Memory Palace. Nate DiMeo is an excellent narrator, and the podcast is my favorite as the other side of the history podcast coin: if HH is the full three-course meal of history, Memory Palace is an espresso shot of history, with episodes ranging from 5 to 15 minutes. I could listen to DiMeo and Carlin talk for hours on topics
History on Fire is definitely in many ways a lot like Hardcore History and the variety among topics is much better than HH. It also updates on a much more frequent basis, consistently delivering 1.5-2 hours long podcasts on a monthly basis. On the flipside, Dan Carlin is just an amazing storyteller that's hard to top, but it's definitely worth a listen.
History of Rome is great but it's much more dry and it's very much a long and more in-depth look at Rome's history (as the title implies).
History of Rome is great but it's much more dry and it's very much a long and more in-depth look at Rome's history (as the title implies).
Seconding History of Rome. Yeah, it's definitely a little on the dry side, but if you love the subject matter, it's definitely the best podcast on the topic IMO, with HH's episodes being a better story.
Supernova 2 is probably not coming until December at the earliest lol
I'll take what he can give us
EDIT: Well that was horrifying
I'll take what he can give us
EDIT: Well that was horrifying
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I had never actually heard the story of the USS Indianapolis being told. Absolutely horrifying stuff. I can't imagine the terror and exhaustion these poor men must have felt.
Jesus fucking christ fuck what the fuck.
If I had a gun I would have shot myself if in that situation. Holy shit.
If I had a gun I would have shot myself if in that situation. Holy shit.
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Have you seen Jaws? I wouldn't be surprised if that's the first time a lot of people heard about the Indianapolis nowadays, outside of like history class
I must have, but definitely a long-ass time ago to the point where I didn't even remember that monologue.
I had definitely heard the name before, but being Belgian, that sort of stuff isn't really taught in any of our classes.
