Has Halo lost some of its popularity?

RKR

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Halo was the only well thought out console shooter for a time, but then MW etc happened. I remember getting Halo 3 and playing it with lots of people, and then we all defected to MW. I've never played another Halo since.

Its not the go to shooter anymore. Its mostly for fans nowadays.
 

Farfetch'd

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Oct 26, 2017
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If MS was serious about Halo being big again and Scarlett suceeding they would've taken it away from 343i.
 

msdstc

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Nov 6, 2017
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Storywise, the 343 material has been divisive. Multiplayer wise, there's a lot more competition out there these days. And Xbox isn't what it used to be. So yeah. I don't know about sales numbers, but the market has expanded and it doesn't command as large a fraction of the Mart anymore.
Not even remotely true on the xbox part. Xbox as a brand is far far larger than it was when Halo was at it's peak. The problem is multiplayer shooters in the console space have evolved massively. THere wasn't much competition back then.
 

Akai

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Oct 25, 2017
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If MS was serious about Halo being big again and Scarlett suceeding they would've taken it away from 343i.
Yeah, taking it away from the development studio that was specifically founded to do Halo projects makes absolutely sense...

If MS wasn't serious about Halo, they wouldn't have given them the time and funds for the Slipspace Engine. MCC on PC probably wouldn't have happened either.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I hate to be negative towards a developer group but 343 hasn’t made a single game that even compares to Bungie’s worst Halo games in my opinion.

The Master Chief Collection being highly anticipated on PC just proves my point. No one plays Halo 4 on that collection and no one is clamoring for Halo 5 to be added.

The problem with Halo is that the new developers best games are the remakes of the previous developers best games.

I’m sorry
 

Parenegade

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Oct 25, 2017
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There just doesnt seem to be any buzz around the new Halo game; not as much as in the past atleast. Halo was freaking huge back in early 2000 and well into next decade. Maybe it is just me, but is it not on the same hype level as 10-15 years ago?
How can you possibly think there's no buzz? Every reaction I watched of the conference people were hyped about Halo. All the big Twitch streamers were very interested in Halo. The chat was going pretty wild for Halo.

Please don't tell me you're using Era because this is not the place to go for Halo hype.

I hate to be negative towards a developer group but 343 hasn’t made a single game that even compares to Bungie’s worst Halo games in my opinion.

The Master Chief Collection being highly anticipated on PC just proves my point. No one plays Halo 4 on that collection and no one is clamoring for Halo 5 to be added.

The problem with Halo is that the new developers best games are the remakes of the previous developers best games.

I’m sorry
If you think Halo Reach MP is better than Halo 5 MP than you truly are l-

Sorry I couldn't finish that sentence because I was stopped by ARMOR LOCK.
 

Torpedo Vegas

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The next Halo is a year and a half away on a new console no one has seen or really knows anything about. Ask again this time next year and there will be considerably more hype surrounding it.
 

LavaBadger

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I don't think there's any question that it's no longer a major figure in the zeitgeist. The last few games have been mediocre and they don't release them that often. Certainly the hardcore are still there, but it doesn't hold the wide appeal it once did.

I suspect it still has decent name recognition though, so I suspect if it gets a marketing push come next gen, it'll still do good numbers.
 

Truant

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The main problem with Halo is that Bungie/Microsoft got the idea that story was somehow a big pillar in the Halo brand. The story, at least in the games, is pure trash and not at all why people loved Halo: CE.
 

Joffa

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Halo is the only reason I got an Xbox One, but my god the games have just gotten worse over time. I'm sure I'll still pick up Infinite on PC though. Halo is one of them games that will always have a die-hard following.
 

Splader

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Feb 12, 2018
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The main problem with Halo is that Bungie/Microsoft got the idea that story was somehow a big pillar in the Halo brand. The story, at least in the games, is pure trash and not at all why people loved Halo: CE.
Speak for yourself. The Story is a massive reason as to why I'm a halo fan, along with all of my siblings. We only ever played local multiplayer and campaign. Hell, for us, Halo was always a campaign game first.
 

Truant

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Speak for yourself. The Story is a massive reason as to why I'm a halo fan, along with all of my siblings. We only ever played local multiplayer and campaign. Hell, for us, Halo was always a campaign game first.
Oh for sure, I'm a campaign man myself. But I like the sandbox gameplay and exploration aspects.
 

Memento

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Oct 26, 2017
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I mean, didnt the last one opened at less than 1 million on NPD when it used to open at 3+ million last gen?

It has been in decline for a long time.
 

Akita One

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Yes, but it also has to do with Halo 3 being one of the biggest entertainment things ever when it came out. It was never going to maintain that.
 

Splader

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Oh for sure, I'm a campaign man myself. But I like the sandbox gameplay and exploration aspects.
I feel you, the reason I love Silent Cartographer isn't the story of the level, it's just the sheer level itself.

But I'm still very much invested into the overall game stories, and with Halo Infintie acting as a soft reboot, I'm actually pretty excited.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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It’s a lost a ton of popularity. It was THE shooter before CoD4. Now it’s like maybe the 10th most popular shooter if you’re only counting Xbox.

It’s just another game. I was a big fan back in the day but I honestly don’t care that much anymore. Hopefully I’m surprised by the new one
 

HellofaMouse

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I feel like halo, gears, uncharted and god of war all went through the same popularity cycle. They were on top of the world last gen and slowly lost thier appeal due to repetition.

God of war is the only one that managed to rekindle the interest to the franchise so far, curious to see how rest of those ips are gonna handle it.
 

Memento

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Oct 26, 2017
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I feel like halo, gears, uncharted and god of war all went through the same popularity cycle. They were on top of the world last gen and slowly lost thier appeal due to repetition.

God of war is the only one that managed to rekindle the interest to the franchise so far, curious to see how rest of those ips are gonna handle it.
You are right about Gears and Halo, but God of War and Uncharted is more popular than ever

Hell, Uncharted has become bigger than Halo this gen
 

wafflebrain

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm actually somewhat surprised Halo is getting the next gen treatment at the outset of next gen considering its decline in popularity, but MS got that Azure money now and their general trajectory is completely different from how others are operating with Gamepass so its clear subs are their focus now not traditional game sales. Which is very cool for the consumer, seriously I have too many gamepass games and too little time HELP.
 

Raspyberry

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Oct 25, 2017
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I hate to be negative towards a developer group but 343 hasn’t made a single game that even compares to Bungie’s worst Halo games in my opinion.

The Master Chief Collection being highly anticipated on PC just proves my point. No one plays Halo 4 on that collection and no one is clamoring for Halo 5 to be added.

The problem with Halo is that the new developers best games are the remakes of the previous developers best games.

I’m sorry
Just telling it how it is. No need to be sorry. I feel the same way.
 

dotyoureyes

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I feel like halo, gears, uncharted and god of war all went through the same popularity cycle. They were on top of the world last gen and slowly lost thier appeal due to repetition.

God of war is the only one that managed to rekindle the interest to the franchise so far, curious to see how rest of those ips are gonna handle it.
But they never...GOW and Uncharted are bigger then ever.
 

pbayne

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Oct 27, 2017
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It and Gears feel like real examples of diminishing returns. Im sure the games themselves are just fine but the general excitement seems to die a a bit for them with each new entry.
 

TsuWave

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Its nowhere neat the juggernaut it used to be. The new one should get a boost from gamepass and do well, especially if it launches with the next xbox
 

Fuchsia

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I remember when Halo 2 launched. It was all over the news. What an absolutely mad time that was. I have very fond memories of it. I don’t know if it can ever be that big again, but I also don’t think it’s necessarily fair to expect that from it.
 

Toler Supreme

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Nov 15, 2017
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MCC is the top of Steam Wishlists and the Infinite trailer was trending on youtube. The love for Halo is still here. If Infinite is good there will be a resurgence.
 

Farfetch'd

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Oct 26, 2017
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lol and given it to who?

Bungie is not an option, so who else?
i don't know but what more evidence do we need that 343i doesn't have what it takes?
at least they could do some real shakeups inside the company. I can almost guarantee that Infinite will once again be lukewarm at best. Not a single thing they've done convinces me otherwise.
 

DeaDPooL_jlp

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Oct 31, 2017
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I've always had a odd complaint about Halo and never quite found the best way to describe it. I absolutely adored Halo 1-3, I was there in line buying the super duper editions and always had friends clamoring to get home from school to continue the campaign and discover how trash we are pvp.

Then Halo 4 came out, it had been awhile, I still went through the motions and stood in line, still have my pre-order poster from Best Buy, got home and me and my friends couldn't even get through the story. The game literally felt unrecognizable to use, a game we felt invested in suddenly felt like a stranger.

The way I used to put my biggest issue into words was the game under 343 seemed to take on the approach of "lets make thinks way overly sci-fi, it'll be really cool", I....hated....it. I hated that guns materialized out of air, the enemies seemed foreign to me, no personality, the game simply lacked any heart and soul that the previous ones had.

Then 5 came out, I didn't buy it, I have it downloaded, and maybe have played 30 minutes tops. I can't even convince my friends to hop on anymore. The Halo franchise is tarnished at the moment, 343 has a chance to turn things around but Infinite is going to have to be BETTER than older titles to get the franchise back on track. It can't simply be good, or serviceable, it has to literally be the shit when it comes out from day one and blow every ones mind. SO FAR, 343 hasn't proved they can do any such thing.

Unfortunately it's the same way I feel with the Gears franchise, but that's a different thread.
 

Prine

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm actually somewhat surprised Halo is getting the next gen treatment at the outset of next gen considering its decline in popularity, but MS got that Azure money now and their general trajectory is completely different from how others are operating with Gamepass so its clear subs are their focus now not traditional game sales. Which is very cool for the consumer, seriously I have too many gamepass games and too little time HELP.
Halo 5 still sold a lot compared to other games just nowhere near Halo 3. 5 mill in 3 months back in 2015.
 

LegalEagleMike

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Oct 25, 2017
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Combination of PC and gamepass along with cross gen should easily push Infinite to be more popular than any halo game since 3.
 

DeaDPooL_jlp

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It and Gears feel like real examples of diminishing returns. Im sure the games themselves are just fine but the general excitement seems to die a a bit for them with each new entry.
Gears and Halo are like the Goldberg and Undertaker match from a week or so ago. They were great in their prime but now it's hard to watch what used to be great continually flounder and come up short.
 

Ehoavash

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Oct 28, 2017
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Halo doesn't feel like a " event " anymore

More and more people started playing cod so yeah ofcourse it has lost some of its audience
 

More Butter

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I think the answer is certainly yes. I also think Infinite could be the highest selling Halo. I don't think Halo will ever have the impact it once had. The impact Halo 2 and 3 had on gaming in general was huge. It's also hard to imagine a game doing more for a specific console than Halo did for Xbox. There are just so many different shooters to pick from that I don't think another game will have the universal appeal those had.

Halo infinite I think will be the greatest selling Halo game though. It's release on PC, and the fact that it is on gamepass while releasing on new hardware is the perfect storm. I think Halo Infinite will be a huge game.
 

RoKKeR

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Combination of PC and gamepass along with cross gen should easily push Infinite to be more popular than any halo game since 3.
It’s definitely going to launch to the largest user base...ever? (for Halo) Current/next gen console, PC/Steam, Game Pass... lots of people are going to be playing. Pretty excited about that prospect.
 

Kaji AF16

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Yes, it has lost a lost of momentum over the last decade. That said, and even if it´s not zeitgeist-defining anymore, I would argue that a significant portion of its original (now aging) fanbase still considers it a juggernaut, a system seller. Even after Bungie´s departure and 343´s multiple mistakes, IMHO it has aged much better than other franchises of its era.
 

ChaosZeroX

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Oct 26, 2017
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Yes, because the focus was taken off of Master chief. Master Chief is Halo as in Halo is Master Chief. 343 made some odd decisions in Halo 5.

Hopefully Halo Infinite brings it back to what it once was.
 

Druffmaul

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Oct 24, 2018
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I remember being shocked and appalled that Modern Warfare 1 MP was more active on XBL than Halo 3 MP back in 2007. It's been declining ever since. It didn't really affect me personally, since for me MP was always more of a "friends on the couch" thing, and then a LAN thing, but not really an internet thing, I had pretty much hung up my gloves already by the time Halo 2 put XBL on the map. My own fandom finally fell off after Halo 5. For me that was the first truly mediocre Halo game.
 

XandBosch

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Oct 27, 2017
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I feel like there was a point, probably around the release of Halo 2, when Halo was like fortnite-level popular. Okay maybe not that popular, but really popular. I had friends buying 360s to play Halo who hadn't been Halo fans prior, I constantly heard about it in different social circles, etc.

These days the only time I hear people talking about Halo is when Microsoft mentions it.
 

Moose

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Oct 25, 2017
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Of course it lost some of its popularity. They wouldn't be doing a "spiritual reboot" with Halo Infinite if 4-5 had a better reception and public mindshare. This happened due to mediocre campaigns, bad muoltiplayer in 4 and Reach, no BTB maps in 5, etc.
i don't know but what more evidence do we need that 343i doesn't have what it takes?
at least they could do some real shakeups inside the company. I can almost guarantee that Infinite will once again be lukewarm at best. Not a single thing they've done convinces me otherwise.
You know next to nothing about the game but you can almost guarantee that huh? lol
 

Sankara

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Halo is a dad's game by now.

I never saw the appeal anyway, what with the motocross helmet, the silly squeeky aliens in a serious war narrative, the lack of proper character and vehicle design beyond mimicking Aliens 2, and the Dorito-Dew association. I guess it had good shooting mechanics and level design, but otherwise, its popularity seems mostly to stem from the wallet of Microsoft.