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Has Halo lost some of its popularity?
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As a pretty severe Halo fan since 2004... obviously it's not as popular. There is no way you could argue otherwise. There are a lot of reasons why it's faded, both issues with the franchise itself and big shifts in the market.
But there's a lot of stuff to look forward to, with MCC on PC and Infinite as a next-gen launch title.
I expect a pretty gigantic marketing blitz in the next year and a half for Infinite, so while it's probably not gonna be Halo 3 levels of craziness but it's going to be pretty hype.
But there's a lot of stuff to look forward to, with MCC on PC and Infinite as a next-gen launch title.
I expect a pretty gigantic marketing blitz in the next year and a half for Infinite, so while it's probably not gonna be Halo 3 levels of craziness but it's going to be pretty hype.
Halo being a launch game for me does so much for the brand once again. There's going to huge rush to pick up Scarlet, and everyone will pick up Halo for it, theres an opening for MS. I pray 343i deliver on the SP side. I know they'll do an amazing job with the multi (like they did with H5).
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This. could be the biggest one yet.
I would say it has lost a great deal of popularity. At least for me it has. There was a time when I was chomping at the bit to know more about Halo 2 and 3, now it feels like just another fps franchise in a sea of them. Seeing a big green suit of armor with little personality walking out of the shadows slowly to guitar riffs and orchestra just doesn't do it for me anymore.
You cant really judge whether a franchise is still as popular or not only by who buys it today. A great game will sell great, but a bad game will sell much less. That doesnt mean a franchise isnt still popular.
The games will sell at the same level of its quality. Halo5 was a bad game, thus declining sales. A great Halo game will sell more. The franchise itself is still full of potential.
Thats like saying DC comics is losing popularity cause the BvS movie or Justice League did ok financially. They arent losing "popularity" at all, people just dont wanna go see an average movie, just like people dont wanna play an average Halo game.
The games will sell at the same level of its quality. Halo5 was a bad game, thus declining sales. A great Halo game will sell more. The franchise itself is still full of potential.
Thats like saying DC comics is losing popularity cause the BvS movie or Justice League did ok financially. They arent losing "popularity" at all, people just dont wanna go see an average movie, just like people dont wanna play an average Halo game.
Lol. for real though Infinite should do great once 343i start talking more about the game and marketing for it and Scarlet takes off.
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I think Infinite can bring it back. There is still a generation of gamers who have a lot of love for Halo, and an entire generation who never got the opportunity to play it in the hay days. Launching with the console and presuming it's great, I think it can definitely be poised for a come back. 5 years is the longest they've had to make a halo game, should be an interesting ride either way
Nah. Reach was one of the best selling Halo game and it came out after the CoD games reestablished the genre. It was only once people played reach and then the series continued to stop being what it was to try and accommodate the cod population of players that the numbers started to drop off. People conflate its demise with cod too much, it wasn't that cod stole its thunder, its that cod stole its identity.
Why am I not surprised by yours? Nothing i said was outlandish, maybe stop obsessing over what someone else posts?
Yes and no.
On paper the series sells more or less as well as it always has, but from a relative standpoint it isn't as relevant at all.
The series still sells millions upon millions of units but nearly twenty years after the series hit (yes it has been that long and yes you are that old) these numbers aren't that impressive.
Blockbusters, hell even megablockbusters aren't that rare in gaming anymore. And due go gaming's wider appeal it is very uncommon for series to hold the glut they once had.
Not saying that there aren't any that haven't managed this, Grand Theft Auto and Mario Kart still pull in the numbers relative to the market size but they are the exceptions.
On paper the series sells more or less as well as it always has, but from a relative standpoint it isn't as relevant at all.
The series still sells millions upon millions of units but nearly twenty years after the series hit (yes it has been that long and yes you are that old) these numbers aren't that impressive.
Blockbusters, hell even megablockbusters aren't that rare in gaming anymore. And due go gaming's wider appeal it is very uncommon for series to hold the glut they once had.
Not saying that there aren't any that haven't managed this, Grand Theft Auto and Mario Kart still pull in the numbers relative to the market size but they are the exceptions.
If we're using youtube trailer stats then yeah
Filters: "This month" and "View Count"
Most view is at 1.9 million after 2 days. Second is 1.5 million. After that the views don't reach a million...
Filters: "This month" and "View Count"
Most view is at 1.9 million after 2 days. Second is 1.5 million. After that the views don't reach a million...
It's also the prime example on why you can't just shift another team to an established IP and act like it's going to be as big as ever. It never works like that. It's developers that make franchises great, the IP alone isn't worth shit compared to the brilliant team behind it.
It's why I doubt that 343i can ever fill the void that's left by Bungie and why I very much dislike Microsoft's strategy of just putting new teams on established IP's instead of letting them make brand new games. But who knows, Infinite might be a clean slate.
It's why I doubt that 343i can ever fill the void that's left by Bungie and why I very much dislike Microsoft's strategy of just putting new teams on established IP's instead of letting them make brand new games. But who knows, Infinite might be a clean slate.
Yes but the number of options out there is different from the time Halo 3 was out.
Infinite has a chance to turn somethings around. It wont ever be Halo 3 again, but coming in on a new console and opening back up to the PC crowd could really do wonders if everything hits right.
Infinite has a chance to turn somethings around. It wont ever be Halo 3 again, but coming in on a new console and opening back up to the PC crowd could really do wonders if everything hits right.
I think COD4 is still ultimately the epicenter of it. Reach very clearly tried to take a few lessons from COD4 and factor them in.
If we're using youtube trailer stats then yeah
Filters: "This month" and "View Count"
Trailer stats and topping wishlists don't count
Nobody cares about Halo because Era doesn't care about halo. That's the most sensible metric to use
Any idea what episode it was? I'll be interested to check it out.
I think it lost some popularity due to Xbox One woes this gen but launching with Scarlet is smart. will do great on PC and game pass too.
You must have missed all the reactions to MCC coming to PC, and how quickly people got into that that non Microsoft supported Halo Online thing. There is a very eager pc audience waiting.
But reach sold almost 10 million copies, 1 million short of 3 (which was the apex of the trilogy). Halo didnt just fall off a cliff once the modernwarfare games rose to prominence. They slowly began falling as Halo began to become more and more like those games and less and less like the OT series.
It very much is outlandish. Don't really think you have followed the various communities outside of this forum, because people have asked for Halo on PC for years. That has been arround ever since Halo 3 and isn't just a recent trend.
This week's "closed E3 envelope" podcast number 587:Tac-Yak.
He doesn't go on at length. It's more him framing his hopes for Infinite to recapture some glory for the series.
That's kind of what I mean though.
COD4 happened and became a phenomenon. Reach was basically Halo's response to that, and after that it was slowly downhill from there. There's an argument that Reach sold as well as it did because of Halo 2 and Halo 3, but the changes found in Reach and the subsequent titles ultimately started slowly turning people away. And all of that can be traced to Bungie feeling like they needed to take a few queues from what COD did.
Umm yes.
Halo 5 was a good game, but it wasn't a good halo game or even the best Xbox one game. What 343i is saying about infinite is true, I can see the next game being a huge success. It can for sure get a large player base back. But it won't be anywhere near halo 3 levels of hype. Ever.
Halo 5 was a good game, but it wasn't a good halo game or even the best Xbox one game. What 343i is saying about infinite is true, I can see the next game being a huge success. It can for sure get a large player base back. But it won't be anywhere near halo 3 levels of hype. Ever.
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Yeah. I think a lot of it with reach was Bungie wanting to experiment for destiny as well. And then 343 came along and had that ground work for them, and instead of making it a one off decided that framework would be the future of the series and it hasn't come close to reaching the same success since.
Good lord...people need to follow the conversation instead of jumping in with quick takes. I was replying to someone who said it will be as big as it's ever been because gamepass/PC, never said no one on Pc wants it. I disagreed with that nothing more. It is simply nor near as big as it used to be, halo has been on PC before and never set the world on fire. Pc is a different market.
In hindsight Reach really does feel like a small beta test for some of the ideas that led to Destiny
Yes, lots of franchises have surpassed Halo in terms of popularity since 2007: COD, BF, Overwatch, Destiny, Fortnite, Pubg...
sure most of these are multi-plattform, but it is what it is.
I wonder if it's even bigger than Rainbow Six Seige when it comes to active users/ viewers.
sure most of these are multi-plattform, but it is what it is.
I wonder if it's even bigger than Rainbow Six Seige when it comes to active users/ viewers.
The Halo Infinite trailer/cinematic just wasn't very good imo. It was 6 minutes, every scene felt rushed, and yet it didn't actually feel like anything of note happened. It just wasn't directed to be an E3 trailer and it shows.
Obviously it's lost some popularity as well, but I don't think that trailer did the game any favors.
Obviously it's lost some popularity as well, but I don't think that trailer did the game any favors.
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After halo 3 I felt people didn't really care since COD took over but I think the new halo will be big. I just want some classic halo gameplay with a few twist.