Square and Circle blend in my mind in high speed situations. The shape and color are just not distinct enough from one another in my mind to be able to recall where they are in an instant, opposed to arrows or even ABXY.
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In my head a new PD/Miku game in general depends a lot on how the vocoloid music scene is doing in general (which I am not in tune with these days). I'm not sure the desire is there, either from the dev or consumer side, on another Miku game with just the usual classic hits. I mean, I would buy it because I would buy anything, but I'm not sure the greater consumer base would, or if the game was filled with relatively unknown new tracks. It's kinda the Guitar Hero/Rockband problem.
I guess you could pull a Project Mirai and significantly change the gameplay and still include classic songs, but you will still need something fresh to generate the most interest.
I guess you could pull a Project Mirai and significantly change the gameplay and still include classic songs, but you will still need something fresh to generate the most interest.
Pretty sure something new is in the works for this year since wat (aka Wataru Sasaki, the main dev behind Crypton's Vocaloids) has mentioned having meetings with Sega and Makoto Osaki regarding the Diva series a bunch of times on his twitter account during the past year... and this year marks the 10th anniversary of the Diva series.
Could be anything from just new content for FT to a brand new Diva game, no way to know until they decide to spill up what they're up to, but at least I don't think this series is quite dead yet.
Could be anything from just new content for FT to a brand new Diva game, no way to know until they decide to spill up what they're up to, but at least I don't think this series is quite dead yet.
Fun fact, F has actually been playable (in 60 fps) in rpcs3 for nearly a year. And by playable, I mean with only minor issues. It was one of the earlier PS3 games to work.
I'm not convinced the timing is quite perfect compared to console, but it's pretty close. Doesn't seem to require all that much CPU power either, at least relative to other games (I doubt it would work on a standard laptop).
Fun fact, even the PSP games can be played at 60 fps! The menu animations play at double speed which is a bit odd, but when you're actually in a song everything is perfect.
In all cases an emulator patch was needed to increase the framerate, but the games clearly aren't hard-coded around 30.
Legitimate question, do you think classic-style Project Diva games could work on a system that uses letters to denote buttons? I just feel like the shape icons are so integral to the gameplay. I don't think I'd be able to distinguish individual letters in a fast stream of notes. If you keep all the letters in circles, you don't have a variety of shapes. If you take the letters out of the circles, the shapes are too complicated.
Personally I would think the buttons/dpad not being symmetrical would be just as/more of a detriment, based on my limited time playing Taiko on the joycons. You get used to it, but it is weird.
Project Mirai was already a thing on 3DS.
See above.
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For the Switch at least, you can use circles with arrows inside or a four-circle diamond with one circle filled in. Both methods are commonly used.
I think you could mostly resolve this by removing the star notes. As long as your hands are always on the d-pad and face buttons, the positioning doesn't matter.
And while I enjoy the star notes, they wouldn't be a huge loss. The PSP games were fine without them.
Neither of these gives you shape contrast between different notes, unless I'm misunderstanding. Either all notes are in a circle or all notes are in a diamond.
Yeah, and they completely changed the gameplay. The Mirai games lay out notes in a straight line. It's less chaotic, so shape contrast is less important. The standard Diva games have notes flying in from all directions.
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I think they just wanted Mirai to be its own thing with its own visual language, and that was not necessarily because of having letters instead of symbols.
Just found out there's a Project Diva Arcade machine at a new arcade that recently opened up a few minutes away from me. Excited to finally try it out lol
I've got the Project Diva controller for my PS3, and I'm rubbish with that, so I can imagine what it's like to play the arcade game! It's an action that definitely requires a lot of practice.
Re: making Project Diva controls work on Switch. Just make everything arrows, which correspond to both the d-pad and ABXY.
If you put aside the fact Project DIVA 2nd and all later not-Arcade releases use arrows to denote double notes, sure.
Even if you removed/reworked double notes, those symbols are inextricably tied to ten years of developed muscle memory. They would be better off continuing Project mirai (or using mirai 2/DX's control scheme) than trying to shoehorn Project DIVA's controls to a different ecosystem.
Make double notes double arrows <<
It's really silly to act like Project Diva could and should never come to non-PS platforms just because they'd have to change the button graphics, come on now
It's like people who claim that Mario Maker wouldn't work without two screens.
At what level do you actually play these games? Honestly curious.
I can personally state I'm completely disinterested in relearning Project DIVA with altered symbols, just like I would stop playing DDR if they changed the order of the columns. It takes a lot of practice and learned pattern recognition to play any rhythm game at high levels, and an alteration to the symbols throws all that out the window.
I am not advocating they don't try to bring back some form of Vocaloid game, but it doesn't have to be Project DIVA. (And, as I keep saying, Project mirai 2/DX's system is already Switch-ready.)
I play on expert, but I won't act like I'm full combing everything or competing for high scores or anything. I've also put a good bit of time in other rhythm games. I don't think it's that hard to adapt to changes like this? It might be awkward at first but I think most players could adjust after playing a bit. If anything it'd also be good for the long term future of the franchise to not handcuff themselves to one platform.
You raise a good point, but I think many of us would be perfectly willing to go through that learning curve if it means playing on the Switch.
Oh god I never even considered the button layout issue LOL. The shapes have felt so natural to me that I never even thought anything else could exist. Playing with the arrows as the visuals in FT instead of the shapes always felt odd. No wonder Mirai and Diva are separate lol
Could they not have individually customizable icons for every button with a large selection of letters and shapes that just happen to include shapes that resemble the ones on a dualshock?
Fwiw, I play exclusively on Extreme and consider myself pretty decent (although I doubt I'm at your level). I think the symbols are a big, legitimate problem, but if the developers found replacements that worked, I'd be perfectly willing to re-train myself.
I'm just not sure what those symbols would be. Arbitrary shapes without a clear relation to hardware buttons would be much more difficult to learn, and I really don't think letters or diamond icons would be distinct enough. Arrows might work, if they could find an alternate way to handle double notes, but I'm still not sure they would be as easily identifiable in a fast stream. Arrows work for double notes because double notes are less common.
But, I'd love to be proven wrong. I enjoy Project Mirai well enough on the 3DS, but I don't think the gameplay is nearly as good. Project Diva's flying notes are my favorite way to represent music in an a video game, and the primary draw of the series for me. They're exciting and flashy, and their movements match the music and PV's in creative ways. The note patterns feel intuitive and instinctual, but they're also just difficult enough to read that you're forced to rely on those instincts. Mirai has some of these qualities, but not enough.
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IIRC, the Sony symbols are trademarked, which is why they're never an option in PC games.
Edit: Sorry for the double post fail, I meant to hit edit but pressed the wrong button...
There are PC games that support PS buttons - I play FFXIV with a DS4 on Windows and it has an option to show PS buttons, for instance.
I think the real question is whether Nintendo cert would allow it.
How does that work for Project Diva Arcade anyway? As far as I know Sony is not involved with it in any way, and yet it uses the PS shapes+colours verbatim. I've always wondered how they get away with it.
I always assumed Sony gave their blessing (possibly for a very nominal fee) given that arcade games are a pretty different market.
But maybe I'm completely wrong about the trademark thing, per detuned radios above. I will note that I did a quick search, and Wikipedia says the buttons are trademarked. And, FFXIV in particular has some level of Sony buy-in due to supporting cross-play.
I think Wikipedia is referring to trademark there in an informal sense, not legally.
There's a pretty significant number of PC games with DS4 button prompts, most of which don't have any obvious Sony connection:
https://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Speci...ture-2FDS4intro/outrotemplate=Feature-2Foutro
Well there's been a few Expos and Magical Mirai concerts since DivaX containing some great newer songs - for a new game with Diva-F levels of content I'd guess within the next 12 months we'll here something if indeed a new game is happening.
In the meantime, I'll settle for a Switch version of the 3DS Project Mirai to tide me over please Nintendo.
Hi,
This thread popped up on top of ERA games :)
I am a 38 year old male with wife and children.
I have a confession to make.
I have played Project diva X to story completion and I have been playing all the optional stuff and have many gold trophies.
I have played all songs in Future tone and I have all DLC...
It's actually very fun and I like the songs :)
This thread popped up on top of ERA games :)
I am a 38 year old male with wife and children.
I have a confession to make.
I have played Project diva X to story completion and I have been playing all the optional stuff and have many gold trophies.
I have played all songs in Future tone and I have all DLC...
It's actually very fun and I like the songs :)
Where's the confession?
People should be confessing if they HAVEN'T played a Project Diva game.
My confession is I've played over 150 hours of X, definitely more than any other PD game. I've done the "platinum" twice, though I only have one platinum.
Confession time? I never managed to clear all the songs on Future Tone extreme. There Was one song I just could never do. Then my save got deleted so it kinda hurts less in a sad way.
The only Diva game I got a platinum on was Future Tone DX. Screw those games where you have to give gifts and pats in the head to goddamn Kaito and Meiko and so on.
P.S: they should make a game with Gumi in it like Mirai. In fact, make it just Miku and Gumi.
P.S: they should make a game with Gumi in it like Mirai. In fact, make it just Miku and Gumi.
I had no idea there was a Miku community here on Era and this is exciting news. My boyfriend pointed it out to me. Is there an official Discord channel for you guys to talk all things Miku? I'm excited for the new Snow Miku Princess Nendo.
The closest thing is a general music games Discord that got made a bit over a year ago, but it's pretty, erm, laid back.
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Gotta get in on that! I haven't played Project Diva in awhile but I love music games - spending my last night in Japan now and just ended a session at Round One playing some Ongeki, Mai mai, and Dance Rush. Going to have to get back into Project Diva since I can't play any of these back home and I'll need my music game fix after all this...
Heading there this weekend for my birthday, can't bloody wait, after all these years being able to play the real deal!