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Have recent events affected your decision to buy future Atlus titles?
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He's directing and producing, like he did for P3, 4, 5 and Catherine.
Well that would mean caring about human beings over a videogame and for some gamers that's a pretty hard thing to do.
That's disappointing, I'll just wait for impressions then.
By the time SMTV comes out I would be old and completely forgot what happened in 2019.
He's the head of the studio. Safe to assume he will be the main director.
Anything Etrian Odyssey will continue to be purchased, that series has 0 of that bigoted crap in it.
I've never played Catherine before, and that type of game does not interest me at all. But I did skim through the whole linked thread and that stuff does not offend me. I've never boycotted any type of media, and doubt I ever will. I have no personal interest in the Catherine game, but not because of the OP's reasons.
As for Persona, I've played a couple of them. Regarding bullying scenes, that's totally realistic when you're talking about a high-school setting. In fact it would be *extremely weird* to have a video game about high school social life, without any bullying whatsoever and every kid buddy-buddy with each other. That would feel very off and break immersion as far as I'm concerned.
Yall never seen fat kids getting bullied growing up through elementary, middle, high schools? That happens every day in every country on earth.
As for Persona, I've played a couple of them. Regarding bullying scenes, that's totally realistic when you're talking about a high-school setting. In fact it would be *extremely weird* to have a video game about high school social life, without any bullying whatsoever and every kid buddy-buddy with each other. That would feel very off and break immersion as far as I'm concerned.
Yall never seen fat kids getting bullied growing up through elementary, middle, high schools? That happens every day in every country on earth.
The poll results are kinda like telling folks to boycott Amazon because they're terrible to workers. Cept then people still end up using Amazon and that sweet prime delivery 😩
To be fair, all the 'yes' and 'no, but not Full Body' added together outnumber the 'no. I will continue to purchase Atlus titles.'
I'll keep buying them and also criticize the problematic aspects. There's no hypocrisy in that. I did the same with DQXI and their continued use of Sugiyama's music.
There's an easy logical reason why. ERA seems like it would ban the opposing viewpoint (or even a middling viewpoint) in the other thread, so a lot of posters aren't able to comment. But voting allows lurkers who might not be able to express their views.
I'll only buy SMT games that aren't Persona or involved with Hashino. It helps that I like these games more then Persona anyway.
Eeeeh, Amazon gives services to people who are tight on time and money so there aren't many Amazon alternatives. Atlus is just one game company and there are many other alternatives if you want JRPGs or any good game honestly.
Please fuck off
Not only does complete apathy at utter transphobia say more than enough about you, but to be so fuckin apathetic to people as a whole that you want homophobic bullying in games is beyond excusable.
There is definitely a kind of hypocrisy in the "I'll buy it but I'll still criticize the problematic aspects" because unless it's so widespread that it gets picked up by news organizations, they won't care about criticism. They just care that people will buy their product.
If, after several several examples of homophobia and transphobia, you're still buying their games and they're still not stopping then you're part of the problem.
I loved Persona 4 for the most part but sometimes a line has to be fucking drawn.
If, after several several examples of homophobia and transphobia, you're still buying their games and they're still not stopping then you're part of the problem.
I loved Persona 4 for the most part but sometimes a line has to be fucking drawn.
A man so enthralled by bigotry he is constantly one upping himself deserves every job lost
huh?? I didn't bully any fat kids or any kids growing up, because I was just an average under-the-radar kid who got along with everyone. I wasn't on either end
I was just pointing out about any video game that's completely set in high school social life -- wouldn't make sense or feel realistic if every character got along with everyone else. That'd be weird in that type of setting?
I was gonna buy Catherine depending on how they handled Erica this time around. And, well... look how that turned out.
Mainline SMT stay pure tho. Gotta spite YHWH and punch Lucifer.
Mainline SMT stay pure tho. Gotta spite YHWH and punch Lucifer.
I'm not gonna get Full Body & I'm considering avoiding future Hashino titles. But I already got the Smash Ultimate Fighters Pass & will likely get Persona 5 Arena if/when that happens.
Some People arent even pretending to think the bigotry is actually bad in their excuses at this point in the thread lol
You are the problem and this is in itself homophobic, you realize that right
Asking to not be demonized isnt fuckin kiddifying your dumb anime games where teens fight monsters
I didn't know what to vote for. I will have to think about it some more. A few weeks ago I bought Catherine on Steam and TBH if I knew about this stuff then I wouldn't have.
That's a fair question. There are ways of respectfully adapting high school bullying/trauma that don't contribute to the victimization of the affected group. Persona 4's treatment of Hanako doesn't fit the bill. It's horrendous.
I think the point the person is trying to make is that bullying/teasing is a thing that happens in high school, so it makes sense for it to be in the game in some form.
Yosuke is a homophobic piece of shit. You could deceiver it as being in the closet himself (which was cut), or he's just your typical shitty teenager. I think having characters have negative character traits isn't a bad thing, as long as you point out how that character is in the wrong for thinking that way.
That's where one of the problems with P4 (and P3/P5) comes in. It's supposed to star a MC you can self insert and make decisions as, but at no point can you ridicule or reprimand these characters for their phobic actions. I don't think anyone ever reprimands Yosuke in the game for his treatment of Kanji, except for like maybe once with Chie telling him to "be a little nicer" to Kanji.
Not really. There are a lot of things we monetarily support that are odious, but we can't completely abstain from everything. We can pick and choose how we want to protest particular things without being labeled hypocritical as long as we're at least outwardly vocal or cognizant of it.
In his first post he literally says the utter transphobia in CFB doesnt bother him, so read his post again with that apathy in mind
Also lets not pretend: Persona is a highschool fantasy. Nothing in Persona is realistic because you play a cool, popular, smart, ladies man who fights demons.
People wanting that homophobia are wanting to see minorities discriminated against in a goddamn social fantasy for realism, when the basic premise, setting, and themes of the games themselves arent realistic
Persona 5 got the closest to grounded but even that gives up halfway through
What's homophobic, I specifically was referring to the fat kid example with the kid breaking a bike by sitting on it. That's what I said the first post about fat kids being bullied
I have no plans on buying any more Persona games, I didn't get P5. But it's not for the OP's reasons, it's because I'm over 40 and have no interest in high school social life settings anymore. I didn't finish P3 or P4, and that's why I didn't buy P5
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Been watching the results, its really close. It barely outnumbers it as it stands ultimately, which is the more telling result. It's no landslide.
I'm not buying their crap anymore. I won't contribute to their bigotry in this medium.
One thing is to be like most of the japanese devs and deny the existence of the lgbtq community, but another fucking worst thing is being straight homophobic and transphobic in their products.
One thing is to be like most of the japanese devs and deny the existence of the lgbtq community, but another fucking worst thing is being straight homophobic and transphobic in their products.
I'll never buy one of them again, period. Each time it's the same and it's clear there is an agenda behind it.