look outside your window, op. everything you see is currently being rendered by a ps5 dev kit in real time.
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Have we not had a "next-gen target" tech demo yet?
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What? Not at all. A CG can use any engine and represents nothing for the final product. An in engine demo shows the technology that will be involved in the game and where its limit is.
You can make an insane CG trailer with photorealistic results of a Gameboy game. You can't do that if it's in engine, because it'd still be back and white, 2D, boxy and with a ridiculous resolution.
many modern engines are very capable of rendering near photorealistic scenes when the requirement of real time is thrown out the window. "in engine" these days may as well be the same as CG.
that was the initial "in engine" reveal trailer for BFV. the actual game, visually, is not even in the same stratosphere
that hasn't been true for years now. "in-engine" is the new bullshots
CDPR never said that their demos are running on consoles, it's high end PC.
People should not complain if they are using a 2013 hardware to play a 2020 game, of course it will look bad lmao
I can run that thing on my rtx 2070... so no.
You can download it here:
https://images.nvidia.com/geforce-com/international/reflections-demo/Reflections_Demo.zip
Tetrinski please don't mistake my comment as downplay. In-engine is actually how a lot of CG is done today for games, as their engines usually support far more when offline rendering and without instability issues that are usually only present in runtime (until they are ironed out during development).
The cutscenes in older Uncharted games are in-engine, for instance, and feature more accurate shaders - and things like subsurface scattering simulation, which is then absent during gameplay. The same is true in The Last of Us. It wasn't until Uncharted 4 that they could more accurately depict skin and eyes and lip-sync during runtime.
You're absolutely right that the previous teaser was in-engine, but that does not mean it isn't offline rendered on a computer. CG does not only mean stuff like professional animations made by studio blur, for example.
The cutscenes in older Uncharted games are in-engine, for instance, and feature more accurate shaders - and things like subsurface scattering simulation, which is then absent during gameplay. The same is true in The Last of Us. It wasn't until Uncharted 4 that they could more accurately depict skin and eyes and lip-sync during runtime.
You're absolutely right that the previous teaser was in-engine, but that does not mean it isn't offline rendered on a computer. CG does not only mean stuff like professional animations made by studio blur, for example.
Any news on this?
There's this Square Enix tech demo from last year:
Epic's destruction demo is pretty amazing:
It's pretty limited. I'm thinking this next-gen could be the most impressive graphical jump ever. Nearing photo-realism in some games. Seeing TLOU 2, RDR 2 and those Capcom games makes me really excited. They're already next-gen on current generation platforms.
Hopefully we get more tech demos or tech demonstrations throughout the year. If any of you have anything, please share!
There's this Square Enix tech demo from last year:
Epic's destruction demo is pretty amazing:
It's pretty limited. I'm thinking this next-gen could be the most impressive graphical jump ever. Nearing photo-realism in some games. Seeing TLOU 2, RDR 2 and those Capcom games makes me really excited. They're already next-gen on current generation platforms.
Hopefully we get more tech demos or tech demonstrations throughout the year. If any of you have anything, please share!
wait until you get a whiff of the smell tech! it's disgusting :(
I wouldn't call lighting subtle. It plays a way bigger role then people think. If we get good lighting this gen it will be amazing.
Agreed. An example, and correct me if I'm wrong, would be like how in Skyrim there is a loading screen whenever you walk into a building or dungeon from the outside world, but with the new consoles you'll just walk right in with no loading. That's how I see it anyway. Complete game changer.
That is something that's already possible with this generation. Look att The Witcher 3 or RDR2. While yes, that will certainly be true for next-gen games as well, I think we'll see insane speeds when it comes to traveling faster in general.
Ah true. Maybe because Skyrim was the last open world game I dipped into. Really frustrating how it has to load to get into a city etc.
Fast travel will actually be fast next gen! That's for sure.
Loading screens aren't a thing of the past on PC no matter what kind of drive you're packing. They will be even less of a thing of the past in more memory-hungry next-gen games.
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Well Xbox Series X will probably be better than 95% of gaming pc's out there. Ryzen 8core,SSD,raytracing,12tf gpu. Its a monster, comparable what xbox360 was back in 2005.
Hope PS5 will also be powerful on its own.
This good for gaming in general, especially for PC guys.This gen we were held down by very slow Jaguar CPU and kinda midrange gpu.
Star Wars 1313 was outdone on current gen hardware with Jedi fallen order
This. People saying current PC games at Ultra are funny.
The Hellblade 2 trailer is more representative of what AAA next gen exclusive games will look like.
This one's great because this demo was actually released and I can run it on my computer.
From what I gathered Heretic demo wasn't real time. Just used Unity to make CG... The newer video makes that more clear, despite the description on the older video...
Yeah this is my bar for next gen too, even though people here have said not to expect that quality in-game, just in cutscenes, I'll still be blown away if we get real-time cutscenes like that.
everything I've seen from Unity says it's real time in 1440p on what seems like a 5700XT
yeah, that's a good point. consoles get outspecced by high end pc's, but their baselines also pummel the vast majority, i'm assuming 95+%, of actual pc's in consumer hands. thats often forgotten.
Even the 1.3/4 TF original Xbox One...for starters >50% of Pc's sold are laptops, and consoles outpower probably 99% of those.
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People do know this is a necrobump right?
The published specs sound more powerful than most gaming PCs on the market right now. It's possible and even likely that by the time Series X and PS5 do come out, we'll have mid-range gaming GPUs that are comparable to them. It'll probably end up being more similar to the current-gen consoles and their refreshes.
It'll still cause a significant increase in minimum specs for PC games going forward though. CPUs and RAM from 2013 are already getting long in the tooth for PC ports like Red Dead 2 and Modern Warfare.
The published specs sound more powerful than most gaming PCs on the market right now. It's possible and even likely that by the time Series X and PS5 do come out, we'll have mid-range gaming GPUs that are comparable to them. It'll probably end up being more similar to the current-gen consoles and their refreshes.
It'll still cause a significant increase in minimum specs for PC games going forward though. CPUs and RAM from 2013 are already getting long in the tooth for PC ports like Red Dead 2 and Modern Warfare.
I expect the 2080 and its next Gen equivalents from Nvidia and AMD to be around $400-$500 by holidays. Provided the coronavirus dies down
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Depends on where the tiers fall I guess. Optimistic speculation is suggesting the 3060 will be 2080-level.
Even then, 50% of PC gamers won't upgrade to the point where close to half of the PC audience has console equival performance.
that won't happen until you can get console level performance for less than $300. however, that might be possible given how popular 1080p is on steam
wow, thanks for posting this. this looks beautiful.
when do you think we'll reach this level of fidelity on consoles? PS6 OR 7? don't think 5 is it
A game artist I talked to laughed at this implying that if this is what it takes to impress me, I'm not prepared for true next gen games. So I'm pretty positive.
maybe at 30 fps lol
though the guy would know much more than me tbh
no that's all artist talent, nothing to do with specs.
here's what the guy who developed the scene said:
I read a lot of "you need a quantic nasa computer to run that" so here is some stats :
- no optimization at all
- no pre-baked animation
- 20 trees (70000 poly each, no lod)
- 100 bushes (6000 poly each, no lod)
- 35-60fps 1080p on a gtx970 (with epic/high quality)
He also only used basic building blocks in unreal engine.
next gen should trounce this easily. Even a 9.2TF PS5 would be twice as fast as the Gfx card he used to run this.
Well, I really don't wanna be that guy but I feel somewhat indebted to him for sharing his knowledge with me (he didn't tell me anything about the consoles specs, only some things about the game and what he as an artist is able to do) so I need to defend him here.
He claimed that his game is aiming at 4k60 on next gen consoles. It's a full next gen exclusive. He told me that he at times has problems maxing out the consoles. To be fair, he clarified that they are doing optimization to reduce the cost of RT. So they are doing hybrid RT with voxel stuff (too smart for me). So yeah, take this with a grain of salt, believe me or not but I believe him, we talked for a couple of months until he bid his farewell as the console are coming closer and he didn't wanna slip up with something stupid.
He has also posted in this thread if you wanna go hunting but I will not disclose anything. ;)
But yeah thanks to him I know that next gen will not be about diminishing returns but mind blowing.