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HDMI cords that improve visual quality for gaming.

Oct 25, 2017
9,227
New Jersey
#1
We had a convo going at some point but it went AWOL after the kerfuffle, so i wanted to make another one to bring attention to this potentially gamechanging thing for older game consoles using HDMI like PS2.

There seem to be several that i want to see if we can discuss with personal recommendations, usage impressions andwhatnot, and we're not talking snake oil like MONSTER cables, we're talking about a real legitimate claim of image superiority here.


First is the Marseille 6' HDMI Cable 4K/UHD Video Processor,aka the Marseille "Cinema" version runs about 70 bucks




Most notably, also from Marsielle is the "gaming" version of the above "cinema" HDMI cord, this one is supposedly the best one for gaming and even puts post process SMAA on top of the game, but its very expensive, easily over 100 dollars.




Out of people who have any one of these, which do you recommend if any to get a better picture out of PS2, PS3 games and such? I know that some cords introduce lag, some don't, what do i need to know
 
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Oct 25, 2017
156
Maryland
#2
Linus Tech Tips did a review video of the mCable. It seems to be fairly low latency for a television setup and does noticeably reduce aliasing. Dunno that it's really worth $150 usd though. It might be worth it to console users or those who aren't planning to upgrade their gpus anytime soon.
 
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Inuhanyou
Oct 25, 2017
9,227
New Jersey
#3
Yeah, the gaming oriented Marseille seems most reliable, but i'm wondering if the others are good enough for gaming, and the gaming edition just gives that much better quality, or if there is something fundamentally different where your only going to see improvements with the gaming edition. Would rather avoid such a bite out of my wallet
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,483
#4
I'm super interested in these, but yeah they're super expensive. Also hear that only native resolution gets upgraded, in an era of upscaling and dynamic resolution that sounds like a no go.
 
Oct 25, 2017
680
Seattle
#5
I'd really like to know more about these as well, considering that I have one and don't know if it's working as intended lol. I'm not exactly sure how to effectively compare the difference in IQ. My current one is connecting my soundbar to my tv, with a normal hdmi connecting the soundbar to the Switch (this is the only way I've found online to get surround to work right with soundbars and the Switch?).

Oh, so if your tv is trying to upscale it might not be functioning properly?
 
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Inuhanyou
Oct 25, 2017
9,227
New Jersey
#7
I'm super interested in these, but yeah they're super expensive. Also hear that only native resolution gets upgraded, in an era of upscaling and dynamic resolution that sounds like a no go.
I've seen wii games compared that are most def not native res and its a night and day difference, same with some PS3 games...i'm mostly wondering about what it would do to ps2 games fed through a TV
 
Oct 25, 2017
156
Maryland
#8
Upon another viewing of the LTT review I linked, the 70 and ~130 cables definitely improve low res media significantly. Probably worth it for anyone who watches older content on hd+ screens.
 
Oct 27, 2017
684
#9
Bought the Marseille gaming and the Philips one that is the same as the marseille non gaming. Will post both impressions later
 
Oct 26, 2017
3,876
Miami
#10
I have the Marseille Gaming cable and it's really impressive. You don't see an improvement with every game but some Switch games benefit tremendously. I just started Mario Odyssey and it's probably the best reason to own it so far which is strange since it's not native res and I thought it wouldn't benefit much. I haven't had a chance to try it with a legacy system yet but when I do I'll post impressions.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,493
#15
There are some good comparison shots for the Marsielle gamer cable in the thread over on the other forum. Seems to do a wonder on Switch games.
 
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Inuhanyou
Oct 25, 2017
9,227
New Jersey
#19
The lack of lag time is seriously impressive for a cable that actually introduces its own AA solution and works better the more aliased and or low resolution the game is
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,244
Australia
#21
Hi everyone, first post here - I got the mCable Gaming Edition (and made some comparisons with Switch and PS4 games):

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PS4 games (Settings - PS4 Pro / 4K TV set to 1080p. The cable works (as in, a normal HDMI cable) when the system is set to 4K, but no AA is applied):

Driveclub - Generic:


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Alien Isolation - Generic:


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Inuhanyou
Oct 25, 2017
9,227
New Jersey
#26
Pretty amazing. Hopefully prices drop... eventually. Or console makers start including it with the system.
lol those prices say no console maker would ever dare. I hear this works great with 6th gen machines on an HDTV, 7th gen machines and even Playstation TV funnily enough. But the higher resolution the game is, the less effect it has because the pixel count is so high, 1080p i think is the cut off point for diminishing returns(and i also think you might not be able to get a signal past 1080p anyways)
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,839
#27
A lot of the edges end up looking splotchy, like a messy paint job. Maybe it looks better in motion, but I'm not really impressed by the stills here.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,489
#32
So if I understand correctly, setting the PS4 Pro to output 4K at system level makes it just a regular HDMI cable, but set it to 1080p for the results? You would have to set a PS3 to output 720p as well, correct? I gotta say its tempting for PS3 stuff.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
8,515
#33
lol those prices say no console maker would ever dare. I hear this works great with 6th gen machines on an HDTV, 7th gen machines and even Playstation TV funnily enough. But the higher resolution the game is, the less effect it has because the pixel count is so high, 1080p i think is the cut off point for diminishing returns(and i also think you might not be able to get a signal past 1080p anyways)
I don't mean right now, but in 4-5 years. But of course, I don't know the cost to make one of these, or the patents involved. I thought the price was high mainly because there's few suppliers and they could get away with it. And I didn't know about the 1080p thing, so thanks for letting me know. It probably won't be worth it for PS5/XBNext then.
 
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Inuhanyou
Oct 25, 2017
9,227
New Jersey
#34
we also have reports of obviously non native gaming software working great even on non native resolutions, so it may be a case by case basis

I would love a Digital Foundry article on this.
I wish john was here, he'd probably see what he could do

*EDIT* someone explained it better than me
 
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Oct 27, 2017
1,244
Australia
#35
So if I understand correctly, setting the PS4 Pro to output 4K at system level makes it just a regular HDMI cable, but set it to 1080p for the results. You would have to set a PS3 to output 720p as well, correct? I gotta say its tempting for PS3 stuff.
No, the reason behind setting the PS4 to 1080p is simply because the cable does nothing to 4K outputs and even for non-Pro games, like Bloodborne, the image is upscaled to 4K if settings are automatic.
PS3 should work regardless of video output settings.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,489
#36
No, the reason behind setting the PS4 to 1080p is simply because the cable does nothing to 4K outputs and even for non-Pro games, like Bloodborne, the image is upscaled to 4K if settings are automatic.
PS3 should work regardless of video output settings.
Ok I see now, very cool. Would probably help out alot on stuff like Nioh or Nier where performance is the focus. Those already looked good at 1080p60, but the added AA would be much welcomed
 
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Inuhanyou
Oct 25, 2017
9,227
New Jersey
#37
it'll work way better on those games on base PS4 as well because the jaggies are pretty noticeable on nier A at 900p with no AA, and same with Nioh's constantly fluctuating res. Games like DOA5 will also extensively benefit cause that had no AA at all, and you could cut yourself on those edges
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,483
#38
Has anyone tested the mcable hooked up to a switcher? Like having all your systems hooked up normal HDMI to a switcher then have the mcable be the output cable to the TV.
 
Oct 27, 2017
290
Collie, WA
#41
I'm interested in this for my PS3, I've got my PS3 connected to my receiver which goes directly to my TV. So I imagine I'd have to connect the HDMI cable to my receiver going to the TV correct? Doing so would effect everything connected to my receiver inputs I'd imagine. Also would this not work with PS3 games that upscale, like MGS4 for example? Would I need to put my PS3 into 720p for this to work universally?
 
Oct 27, 2017
59
#44
I bought the cheap Phillips one and found that it doesn't do much for games at 1080p. It just does some sharpening and changes the colours and contrast a bit. Nothing like the extra AA from the newer expensive Marseille cable. It's mainly for movies as it specifically doesn't do 4k upscaling unless there's a 24/25/30hz signal. Although it says it upscales 480p to 1080p so I might break out the Wii to see how it fares.
 
Oct 28, 2017
81
France
#47
Do people still run PtBi that Durante made for PC to add AA to console games? I wonder how these cables compare to that.
Does somebody can post some feedback on this method ?

I see that the box costs more than 200€ on Amazon.
Do you need a PC to stay connected ?
How is the input lag ?
 

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Oct 27, 2017
1,397
#48
Do people still run PtBi that Durante made for PC to add AA to console games? I wonder how these cables compare to that.
I'm at work now, but I can post some comparisons when I get home.

Does somebody can post some feedback on this method ?

I see that the box costs more than 200€ on Amazon.
Do you need a PC to stay connected ?
How is the input lag ?
You run the input from your console into the BlackMagic card and then output it to the display of your choice through your video card, or potentially the Steam Link. So you have to have your PC in the middle for it to work. I generally get around 1 to 2 ms of additional lag with my GTX 1080 when using the HDMI input as reported by PTBI.
 
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Oct 27, 2017
496
#50
I hate how often "game changer" is used more as a marketing slogan but this cable really deserves the label (assuming it works as advertised).

Hopefully it drops in price fast. It's a God send for collectors.