Doubtful, I wouldn't be surprised if it was purposely held back so they can make the inevitable final mix even more enticing to people and make them double dip.
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Doubtful, I wouldn't be surprised if it was purposely held back so they can make the inevitable final mix even more enticing to people and make them double dip.
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Sometimes I struggle deciding what settings to use on games. Especially if their configuration tool isn't great. Gaming screen is a Bravia XE90.
I really wish HDR configuration, or hints and tips were more readily available out there.
I really wish HDR configuration, or hints and tips were more readily available out there.
Yes! Going to watch now. Thanks.
Edit: I love your content, but you should take that video down and remove the music. That was rough, lol.
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Not really, once your TV is in a good state of setup, most games should look good out of the box, however having an understanding of what you are doing is always beneficial.
Part of the need for this at the moment is that devs aren't overly familiar with HDR from a conceptual and a production standpoint so there has been a degree of variability with the software itself.
Someone of what I'm talking about here isn't even really new and I would imagine if I went back and looked at the gamma/brightness setup of lots of games of the past, then we would also find a bunch of errors there too.
Thank you very much for your answer! I was kinda worrying that i would need to calibrate the tv constantly
Is there any downside to setting paperwhite at 300 in games as opposed to 200? Surely it still leaves enough luminance for highlights on an OLED? I'm a bit torn between the brighter image vs what can look at a bit too contrasted.
For example the desert areas in Far Cry New Dawn I feel look a bit too dark at 200, but then maybe the highlights pop a bit more, but isn't that just due to the overall more contrasted image?
For example the desert areas in Far Cry New Dawn I feel look a bit too dark at 200, but then maybe the highlights pop a bit more, but isn't that just due to the overall more contrasted image?
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Basically the higher you set it the more likely you are to start to push the saturation out
Also the brighter you make the image, the less leftover there is for the actual peak highlights, which in turn reduces the Dynamic range.
I'll push it up to 300 if so in broad daylight
Also the brighter you make the image, the less leftover there is for the actual peak highlights, which in turn reduces the Dynamic range.
I'll push it up to 300 if so in broad daylight
Hey EvilBoris. I followed your advice of "3-4 clicks to the right" in Remake 2 and it looks fantastic.
Should I do the same thing in Resident 7? Or is that one "ok" with the same blue and red colors?
TV=OLED C8.
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That one is ok, it will aim for a higher peak white value (blue and white bars), I think with Resi 7 I was going for closer to 175
It'll probably try and take you upto 285 with an OLED, which I don't think will be a problem as it's much darker than Remake2, so you have more room to adjust.
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Other than if it doesn't work, it doesn't surprise me.
Nvidia have only trained for 2 resolutions or Deep Silver have only paid for 2.
I would imagine that it needs to be trained for HDR OR DLSS maybe needs more grunt it doesn't have to process a 10bit output
Has DLSS functioned in HDR in other titles?
DLSS + HDR works in FFXV on my TV.
I did not test in BFV but I might take a look later today.
DLSS + HDR10 works in the other two titles -- FFXV and BFV. Please forgive me if I'm wrong about this, but it seems to me that the implementation in Metro Exodus blows out the contrast to an incredible degree?
I'd be interested in hearing folks' theories on why this happens. :)
Paper white really confuses me as if I'm honest I don't understand what it is.
Peak luminescence is fine as I know my XE90 I use for gaming is 1000 rating, and I find it easy to set up - especially when games have a system in place to tweak e.g. make the inner and outer boxes match.
However, on a title such as Far Cry New Dawn which only has a paper white scale I'm never sure ideally how to set it up.
Paper white is basically brightness of the part of the HDR image that falls into SDR range, objects like white piece of paper that doesn't produce or reflect light. It's value should be adjusted depending on viewing conditions, so for night time (when there's little ambient light) it should be between 100-200 nits, for day time 400-500 nits, and for very bright room something like 800 nits, just as you would set brightness of the SDR content on your display.
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There is a video here in HDR
If you browse on a desktop browser, you can actually filter by HDR content.
There is a bunch of games and movie bits that have been run through filters and uploaded to flag as HDR, but this one I would say looks broadly as I would expect a native HDR output.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_hd1TmAcUM&t=451s&ab_channel=BSDGaming
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I thought it was one of those games where you can't really get it wrong (you be prepared that the first areas in the game has loads of volumetric smoke and mist effects and some pretty heavy colour grading (You get weird curvy banding which is a telltale sign of the volumetrics) so you may perceive it as having milky blacks inititally, but you'll see other areas where it is not like that at all.
In terms of setup you will need to max out "HDR luminance", you may find it still doesn't get rid of the grey logo, but that's just due to the way many TV's process the signal.
the brightness setting functions well in HDR and only offers a fairly sensible level of adjustment, so begin with the centre, however if you feel it is too dark you can increase it (I can't recall it having a major negative effect)
If it's still too dark, then you can turn HDR to Off, and increase brightness futher and turn HDR back on again to get a double effect of brightness (don't touch gamma correction)
EDIT: I just booted it and playing in a room with the lights on and it still looked pretty bright. So they may have patched it since I last looked, so you probably won't need to do double brightness increases. I might go take a look through the intro part of the the game, which is so crazy atmospheric it's actually inspired me to book a trip to mexico.
EDIT2: Yep, that is definately brighter than it was, I would actually advocate turning the brightness setting down if you can handle it.
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Following EvilBoris advice provided when I was equally confused. On OLED, I've found that for both Far Cry New Dawn and Far Cry 5, around 220 paper white suits my medium lit room. On OLED at least, if you go too much more then I notice that perfect whites dont always look perfectly bright crystal clear white. Examples of this are in Far Cry 5 with brightly lit summer skies and the white in clouds. And in New Dawn with things like flood lights at settlements at night and how they illuminate surfaces of pillars etc.
EvilBoris recommended not going above 300 and I echoe that. Infact I would recommend to be a bit lower as an absolute maximum for Far Cry. But this is on OLED, so maybe ymmv on your LED. Do allow time for your eyes to adjust, because initially you might find it a little dull, but for me, the beauty of the image and impact of HDR peak highlights starts to become more apparent. After which, I no longer want to increase it. This is coming from a guy who used to set it at 500 (such was my ignorance)
Hope that helps.
Hey EvilBoris, great work as always and thank you very much for highlighting my one major concern/hesitation on Metro Exodus: that the SDR gamma issue on Xbox One applies only to SDR. Knowing that it doesn't affect HDR is making me look way more intently at grabbing the game. Didn't get an answer in the OT when I asked, so it was good you added mention of that even though it doesn't necessarily pertain to the HDR in Exodus.
This makes it sound like I shouldn't wait for HDR DLSS to get fixed and just play it at 0.7 shading rate.
I have to play it in Movie mode instead of Game mode on my Q9FN to get local dimming working properly. It's somehow not really working as aggressive as it should in Game mode.
I have this TV as well, but could you explain what happens if you use game mode? Only problem I had on One X was with the Gamma.
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HDR in Fallout 76, is it HDR at all or just not too special? They don't offer any options, hell not even a brightness setting. When are you gonna learn this BGS?
In order to maintain peak HDR brightness and reduce haloing/blooming in dark areas, local dimming should always be set to "High". Somehow in Game mode, though, this doesn't seem to work as aggressive as it does in Movie mode, leading to darker/pitch black areas of the game sometimes brightening up for a split second until reverting back to pitch black darkness. I personally find this to be a tad annoying in this game which is why I resort to playing in Movie mode instead where it works perfectly fine at the cost of slightly increased input lag. Which I'm okay with. Playing on PC, btw.
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It's never happening. It sure would have been nice to see that game in proper hdr. Maybe we'll see it in the nextbox ps5 port.
If this is true there really needs to be more talking about this. Isn't it listed on the box ? It literally isn't HDR, its like selling a 4K TV and it's a 1080p set that's menu says 4K. Why would some people just be fine with this ?
You missed the original threads when Evilboris first discovered that the game has fake hdr? People already talked about it and the vast majority already forgot and moved on. It's also not the first game with fake hdr(which doesn't excuse rockstar) and probably won't be the last.
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I think you'll probably find you get better results overall that way.
Either that or try and keep the in game brightness below 200 (but for many people that is simply unbearably dark, unless you then change other settings on your display)
Ok, I'll try it with HDR off and see how it goes. Thanks so much for the quick reply!
Yeah, I am playing it right now and in their "HDR" if you make it brighter you have greys instead of blacks (washed out looking), or if you darken it so the blacks are better, then the whole picture looks like the TV is in power saving mode. Think of it like in a character creator, this game is where you move one slider and it moves others as well and messes it up when it shouldn't. This guy can explain it better but it's such a shame since this game would be so great in HDR.
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