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Oh...lots to take in. Just got back from the gym and about to eat but I'll tuck in to this later this evening before I play some Death Stranding. Thank you.
As a quick note - I did use Rtings basic settings but I'm not sure if they are the same as the link you posted. We'll soon see.
If I remember the changes I made were were not that far-reaching. Nothing advanced but I'll see what comes from tonight's adjustments.
Chances are there's something turned on in normal hdr mode like Live colour /colour saturation or dynamic contrast that isn't on when in game mode.
You can probably enable it in game mode but then you aren't getting the image you are supposed to be. But it is personal taste after all. Set it up to look the way you want.
It could also be a colour profile /temperature difference too
Did you have to change the settings for it to look good?
I kind of just left DS at default. Couldn't really figure out the cloud stuff as raising it to 60 didn't do much to the image but brighten it.
But mine looks great as is, so I'm not too worried.
It did not look bad at default, but after changing the brightness to 2 to make the left image invisible, 60 on hdr made the sky bright without clipping the clouds
Currently rocking 50 luminosity and 3 brightness for Death Stranding on my B7 with 1000 metadata injected with a Linker.
I guess I'll check it out. I never change brightness settings in games so I'm hestitant to change that.
Do you think these would be the settings to go with for a B7 without a Linker?
What's the consensus for using dynamic tone mapping on LG OLEDs. Trying it with RDR2 and I'm finding that the game looks better with it on than off.
Using 4000 nits brightness and 80 paperwhite
Using 4000 nits brightness and 80 paperwhite
I tried lowering the brightness to make the left imagine invisible in Death Stranding but it just makes everything a bit too dark, kind of like a black crushed image.
I can change the luminosity up to 60 without losing detail in the clouds, but it changes to an ugly color and I'm not sure I like that. I guess I'll keep it at the defaults for now.
I can change the luminosity up to 60 without losing detail in the clouds, but it changes to an ugly color and I'm not sure I like that. I guess I'll keep it at the defaults for now.
Might be. Going above 50 luminosity seems to just start oversaturating the colors. Before I injected metadata I had to lower brightness all the way to hide the handprints, which caused black crush. It seems brightness of 2 or 3 is ideal.
So yeah, those settings are for the A9. I have the A1. However, the only difference is Brightness, from '4' to '14'. The rest are identical. I have set Smooth Gradation to 'Low' now too. I used to have it 'Off' until now.
Death Stranding's main issue is standing by rock formations in low light, the gradation from visible to shadowed formations seems none-existent (like black blotches). I played about with HDMI Video Range. Setting it to 'Full' makes a massive difference i.e. eliminates blotches but it overly washes out the picture. It's horrid. I turned it back to 'Limited' and now the colours pop but I'm back to black blotches.
My Brightness is usually set to '14' anyway (as per the setting above from RTINGS for A9). I tried Brightness 'Max', which is certainly effective, but too much. I'm very aware of panel longevity so I've increased it to '20' for now. I might turn it up further today and see what it's like long-term with different games.
It's the black blotches that are the biggest issue for me right now.
With it set to limited you have a mismatch hence the black blotches.
You need to have both the TV and console set to the same.
The overly washed out image is the way its meant to look.
I have an a1.
I mostly stick to the defaults. Expert 2 etc.
If you want more pop try dynamic contast set to medium (recommended on avforums for hdr) and maybe mess about with live colour but again you are taking the image further away from what it's meant to be but at the end of the day you should have it set how it looks good to you.
What are you using for mw with the linker I unplugged my linker as I couldn't be bothered with the hassle might have to get it out again
Anyone have suggestions for Fallen Order? I keep seeing GIF's of it that look so lush and colorful, but with HDR turned on with default brightness on my TCL 6 series looks so washed out, very reminiscent of Red Dead 2 at launch.
I've heard people say this. It honestly looks great on my C6 and I'm using default. Not washed out at all. Even turned it up slightly during the day today and it still wasn't washed out.
Weird one.
Turn the in-game brightness meter down. And maybe try your dynamic contrast. When you get it right it does pop. Needs a bit of fiddling though.
I have the same on my Samsung Q9FN. As soon as I get control over Cal it just missed something. Like when I fire up Destiny 2 and I see fire effects and such, that stuff looks superb. I even searched for a "let's play" on YouTube to see if the start really looks like this and then I saw it looked much better, and that was in SDR.
I didn't mess with the HDR setting that you get before the main menu appears in the game though. How can I get that menu back again? (or is that each time you boot the game up?)
Wait, where are the brightness settings at all for this game? I don't see any of that in the settings>visuals section.
When I fired the game up for the first time on X I got the HDR thingy, left it at default. After that I can't find any (HDR) brightness options.
The HDR brightness slider appears to simply be a gamma slider, so just adjust it until contrast looks good. It won't affect peak brightness.
Wow, thanks for the advice. Just finished a session on Death Stranding and watching F1 qualifying.
I'll double check my HDMI settings. I'll also see how a washed-out image looks in a cave structure, along with other presets like Live Colour.
I just want to say this in case other folks are in the same boat. I have a misconception about HDR generally. I thought it meant that the image would be bighter and popping at all times. But upon asking folks here and there and testing it with Death Stranding on HDR game mode.. It makes the colors and lighting super realistic. The goal is not to pop and be unnatural. But in fact to be more realistic.
With this in mind, the image is not dim. (i do have dynamic contrast on max tho). In scenes with sunlight and sunshine. The green grass was popping just as i wanted it to. I originally thought the issue was with the colors in the intro but the environment was cloudy and rainy. Colors shouldnt be popping in these conditions. Later on I saw oranges and Yellows and sunlight and red and the pop is there.
With a B7A oled, .. Death Stranding looks amazing in HDR game mode, and I regret ever considering playing it in standard because of the "pop"
With this in mind, the image is not dim. (i do have dynamic contrast on max tho). In scenes with sunlight and sunshine. The green grass was popping just as i wanted it to. I originally thought the issue was with the colors in the intro but the environment was cloudy and rainy. Colors shouldnt be popping in these conditions. Later on I saw oranges and Yellows and sunlight and red and the pop is there.
With a B7A oled, .. Death Stranding looks amazing in HDR game mode, and I regret ever considering playing it in standard because of the "pop"
I assume mw is Modern Warfare? If so, I don't currently own it and if I did it'll be on PC where a linker isn't needed due to Windows providing metadata in the signal.
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Bare with me here...
...I properly tried 'Full' last night (I did have both console and TV previously set to 'Limited') and I was horrified at the results.
Booting up Death Stranding the black screens (between the Sony Interactive Entertainment and Kojima Productions splashes) looked like a LED presentation. All I saw was a slate in grey, not pure black. It looked backlit. Obviously a bad reaction but I started the game and found my test cave. It didn't look naturally lit at all. Way to bright inside for the conditions.
I tried a couple of options to remedy the presentation. The one that makes the most difference is Black Levels. Default is '50'. I reduced it to about '30' and it looked better, however, it effects the whole presentation no matter where you are, which isn't what I wanted. I just want no black blotches.
I also tried 'Live Colour' but that's not a change I needed i.e. it doesn't enhance what I see.
So now I'm in the position whereby I can either use 'Full' and reduce Black Levels or go 'Limited' and increase Black Levels. Not ideal.
I have no doubt OLED still looks so much better than a normal LED screen but there are compromises. There is a greater contrast between light and dark and some colours are much richer but I'm starting to think these black blotches are down to technology. It's just the way OLED works and I can't remedy the presentation by eliminating those black blotches without consequences for the whole presentation on-screen.
Or, is this something Vincent could remedy with full calibration?
Bare with me here...
...I properly tried 'Full' last night (I did have both console and TV previously set to 'Limited') and I was horrified at the results.
Booting up Death Stranding the black screens (between the Sony Interactive Entertainment and Kojima Productions splashes) looked like a LED presentation. All I saw was a slate in grey, not pure black. It looked backlit. Obviously a bad reaction but I started the game and found my test cave. It didn't look naturally lit at all. Way to bright inside for the conditions.
I tried a couple of options to remedy the presentation. The one that makes the most difference is Black Levels. Default is '50'. I reduced it to about '30' and it looked better, however, it effects the whole presentation no matter where you are, which isn't what I wanted. I just want no black blotches.
I also tried 'Live Colour' but that's not a change I needed i.e. it doesn't enhance what I see.
So now I'm in the position whereby I can either use 'Full' and reduce Black Levels or go 'Limited' and increase Black Levels. Not ideal.
I have no doubt OLED still looks so much better than a normal LED screen but there are compromises. There is a greater contrast between light and dark and some colours are much richer but I'm starting to think these black blotches are down to technology. It's just the way OLED works and I can't remedy the presentation by eliminating those black blotches without consequences for the whole presentation on-screen.
Or, is this something Vincent could remedy with full calibration?
Your TV supports full I set it to that and leave the ps4 on auto.
If you are wanting more punch & clarity in the image try that and dynamic contrast no highest than medium but low will probably be enough.
After changing any of these settings you will need to do the ingame brightness calibration again to get accurate results
I need to have the ingame brightness at 0.8, tv brightness at - 2, otherwise I just can't get it to look right at all.
Contrast enhancer on TV off. This is on the Q9FN.
So for the PS4 HDR system level settings, what exactly does "almost invisible" mean?
Like a faint barely perceptible image or the last clear one before it heavily blends into the background?
Like a faint barely perceptible image or the last clear one before it heavily blends into the background?
I've always hated this about brightness charts. Is it supposed to be invisible unless I look for it?
Same. I never truly found the right answer and it's two different settings too.
I guess my issue is:
There's a setting before it dissappear that's clear, where you can spot the image without much issue.
And there's a setting right before it disappears where it's so faint but still barely visible if you look for it (and sometimes let your eyes adjust).
I doubt it makes much of a difference but it still bugs me.
I think it will depend on lighting conditions too. I declare it 'invisible' when I cant see it with a glance, not if I go looking for it. Feels safer that way. i.e. in your scenario I would set it to the one you mention in your first sentence.
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Here is a little rundown of some of the things I oberved in death stranding
https://www.patreon.com/posts/death-stranding-31609582
https://www.patreon.com/posts/death-stranding-31609582
I finished Death Stranding yesterday, and I thought the HDR was very well done. Obviously, I don't have measuring equipment, but to my eyes it looked very good. One of the better HDR game I've seen, I would say.
My display is a Sony X930E, and I played with Brightness at default (5), and with Luminosity at 55 (I think I could have been a bit higher without clipping, but it does gives a slight yellow tint to the picture, so I kept it at 55).
My display is a Sony X930E, and I played with Brightness at default (5), and with Luminosity at 55 (I think I could have been a bit higher without clipping, but it does gives a slight yellow tint to the picture, so I kept it at 55).
I played a bit of Horizon on HDR but the the dark parts got a bit too dark at points, when the lighting wasn't in Aloy and climbing snowy mountains the game got quite dark and characters became hard to see in scenes, without jokes ram in to a cut scene with a black character and she was really hard to see because of the dynamic HDR.
So for the ones playing Jedi Fallen Order in HDR, can you tell me if it looks similar to this (brightness wise) or much more dim? It's in the location Zeffo.
On my TV it just looks way too dim, and nowhere near as great as the video, and the video is SDR. That's my beef with HDR so far, it can be great for so many games with the same settings, but not necessarily great or worse actually in another game.
Just fast forward the video a little until you see Cal exploring the world.
EvilBoris Have you by chance tried out SW yet?
On my TV it just looks way too dim, and nowhere near as great as the video, and the video is SDR. That's my beef with HDR so far, it can be great for so many games with the same settings, but not necessarily great or worse actually in another game.
Just fast forward the video a little until you see Cal exploring the world.
EvilBoris Have you by chance tried out SW yet?
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Huuh, this is how it looks on my C8. Didn't you have a Q9? that's weird because that TV is super bright.
I could make a video of how it looks here but the video probably won't capture the HDR properly. Could you share me your TV and HDR ingame settings in a PM?
Ooooops, my bad. Read that as Q8, haha.
That's how it looks on my C6 with HDR - yet people say HDR is washing the image out. Don't get it. On default mine looks great. No washing out at all.
Film a video on your phone and show it. It wont be perfect but if its badly washed out we can tell...
I don't know how the QLED works but doesn't it has a Dynamic tone mapping option for HDR? Without it enabled it's true that some games can look dim on my TV.
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I think Fallen order uses a 1000nit output, go back to gamma 0 and contrast 45 for this one
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I'm beginning to think barely any game will at this rate, PS5 releases in a year.
Gamma on the TV has been on 0 for a while now. What ingame HDR do you recommend?