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He brought an American flag to protest fascism in Portland. Then antifa attacked him.
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From the perspective of the typical Antifa member, the American flag represents capitalist imperialism and a historical legacy of slavery, genocide, and actual support for various fascist dictatorships.
Antifa is not a patriotic group. It's radical leftist. They are not going to care about "reclaiming the flag" or "keeping the right from monopolizing the flag" because a.) they're not liberals and b.) they think it pretty much does represent what the far right wants it to represent.
Pretty sure the principal tenet of anarchy is the abolition of the state but I guess run with whatever that implies for you.
how would the education department, health department, housing department function without government ?
Antifa was already losing the war for sympathetic optics a while ago, now there's absolutely no coming back from this. This will be rightly shared and spread around like wildfire. Horrible look, and I wager any sympathy left for Antifa will go out in the window with the general American public. That video right there basically will tell you all you need to know about the movement.
We'll probably never even know if some of these guys in the video really were behind what Antifa stood for, but it doesn't really even matter now. The video exists and it looks horrible. That's what happens when you start a movement wearing masks, any opportunist looking to inflict violence, theft, and suffering will be able to slip in undetected to take advantage of anonymity. This was bound to happen eventually.
We'll probably never even know if some of these guys in the video really were behind what Antifa stood for, but it doesn't really even matter now. The video exists and it looks horrible. That's what happens when you start a movement wearing masks, any opportunist looking to inflict violence, theft, and suffering will be able to slip in undetected to take advantage of anonymity. This was bound to happen eventually.
And benefited from it as well. But I'm not sure why I'm bothering to respond to someone stupid enough to blame the victim and then pass it off as "Oh well I need more info to ensure he didnt actually deserve to get his skull caved in."
The left ceding the patriotic high ground to the right was the dumbest thing they ever did. The fact that people can't conceive of waving the American flag to symbolize what America could and should be is ridiculous.
I mean fucking Captain America has provided a blueprint for this tactic for decades.
I mean read The New Colossus and tell me you don't feel like waving a flag in defiance of Trump as a symbol of what America could be at her best (assuming you are American)
it's almost like there's no fucking entrance exam to enter antifa like its fight club or something\
an asshole beat a guy in the head for holding an american flag, antifa isn't losing an "optics war" when they never entered one
Has nothing to do with this thread.
If the topic was about the implications of the American flag to non-U.S. citizens based on current and historical actions of the U.S., maybe I would go down this topic with you. But that's not what this thread is about.
A person in the U.S. attempted to protest fascism and was beaten down by Antifa members because he clutched an American flag.
Antifa as a whole is just a giant sorry joke. No one with any self-respect would be apart of that group. Fighting for absolutely nobody, just fighting for fightings sake.
if history is anything to go by. Emulating their Euorpean cousins, Antifa has already lost sympathetic optics.
chaos shouldn't be the weapon of choice to counter fascists
Anarchists don't want the collapse of civilization or whatever (well, except for anarcho-primitivists), they mostly want local democratic councils without entrenched hierarchical structures or permanent positions.
I don't agree with them about the feasibility of a straight capitalist-to-anarchist transition but they're not crazed monsters out for CHAOS like the media portrays them. Teens may get into it for that sense of exhilaration but otherwise it's a pretty well established political philosophy.
I mean the Proud Boys've been beating the shit out of random unfortunates for like two years and people are still giving them charitable interpretations on the US news.
It's a case of "the enemy of my enemy is also my enemy". If Antifa is really this stupid, they're doomed in the US, and not many tears will be shed for them.
I wouldn't be surprised if the far right has people in Antifa doing these things to make them look bad, but I dunno.
Antifa members infiltrate fascist groups to get warnings on their plans, reverse infiltration is entirely possible. It could just be keyed up assholes tho also.
Fucking LOL
It's okay dude. Antifa was never looking for any sympathy in the first place.
This is a really stupid argument. So nobody can ever protest against their government because they've obviously benefited from it and thus can't say anything.
You were asking why people would be "triggered" by the American flag, I told you why. I'm sure there are some knowledgeable americans out there who also realize that their flag could be considered morally repugnant.
Maybe this is just me but I really don't think anyone should be suggesting this is a false flag absent of literally any evidence.
Agreed, and I don't think we will have lost much. I'm largely past the point of concern over how the left is perceived by the right after this election, but Antifa is just too much. And I question the effectiveness even when they aren't doing damage to the image of the left.
I prefer the movement online to out these shit heels
Funny coming from someone that doesn't realize there is a world outside that has suffered a lot more under communism(the red in the antifa flag) than the Stars and Stripes.
Who said you can't protest it? Unless of course your idea of protesting the flag is to try to kill someone who is merely carrying it while himself protesting white supremicists, in which case you're a fool.
the Fascist symbol was the Black Eagle in the crest. The Black Eagle is no longer there.
The people who did that to him are assholes that being said some of you guys are as dense as it gets like do you blame an entire school if two students fight? It's a protest and sometimes violence breaks out due to dipshits doesn't mean the entire groups advocates for brutal beat downs.
Love the concern trolls in here too
Love the concern trolls in here too
How fucking stupid do you have to be to fuck with an ally displaying the bare minimum representation of the country when you're endgame is presumably making the country a better place.
Did the good ones rush to the aid of the man who the "bad" ones attacked? Have the good ones issued a rebuke?
Let's split the difference and say it's pretty equivalent. The US and USSR both committed some insane atrocities.
Take a look at what our fascists has been using as a symbol here for the last 20 years
Only literal nazis use the Black eagle Flag, the rest take and use the spanish Flag as is
Lots of people here, I think most people here, realize that Antifa as a whole is not summarized by these people, or by this act. But that's irrelevant. It is very reasonable to suspect that this will politically hurt antifa, as well as the broader political left by mere association.
Really? The red comes from communism? News to me. I though it was a several hundred years old symbol signifying general left-wing movements, but what the fuck do I know.
That we can agree on
The red and black flag comes from anarcho communism, the black representing anarchism and the red communism.
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Carrying the flag represents nationalism which is inherently a shit thing due to the fact that all this country has done for Africans,Native,Latino, Asians Americans is set our countries back centuries, war crimes, instilling regimes, slavery, etc.
You can object for as long as you want. That does not give you the right to use violence against someone.
Nationalism is inherently a shit thing because nationalism is always a shit thing. But carrying a flag can also be merely patriotic, which is definitely not a shit thing. He was there protesting for a good cause, attempting to embody the ideals he believes his country should stand for. Don't lay accusations of nationalism at his feet apropos of nothing.
Any of y'all who supported this Antifa shit are basically the other crime bosses at the end of The Dark Knight. Be careful who you get in bed with.
It also represents hope for a whole lot of people. Do you think those people deserve to get their heads beat in for carrying it peacefully? Because that's what happened here. Do you think he deserved it?
Are you really this ignorant? I wasn't being specific but countries like Vietnam, Mexico, and Afghanistan have only suffered because of the US.
How can you give something up if you don't believe in it in the first place...?
People really seem to have a hard time wrapping their minds around the fact that Antifa are not liberals. They're not interested in patriotism. They're not "pro-America".
It's like being surprised that the Bolsheviks weren't fans of the Russian flag or something. Nationalism is anathema to the far left.
Have suffered A LOT because of the US? Yes
only because of the US? Nope
Now if you could all collectively tell that to your government, that would be great.