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Hearthstone |OT1| New Era, Same Meta
- Thread starter ZealousD
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Today I opened my last Kobold and Catatcombs pack and got Runespear as punishment for disenchanting this card months ago.
Now I will buy Witchwood packs with gold until I get my next legendary, I'll hope it's either Baku or Genn.
Now I will buy Witchwood packs with gold until I get my next legendary, I'll hope it's either Baku or Genn.
Holy shit I only just saw the Brode news.
I'm happy for Ben being comfortable enough to get the chance to try something crazy, but man, those are some big shoes to fill.
I'm happy for Ben being comfortable enough to get the chance to try something crazy, but man, those are some big shoes to fill.
It does? Well then I'm more surprised I haven't seen a Paladin deck try it. Rebuke so the Ransom is 10 Mana or say goodbye to your deck feels memey enough to try somewhere.
got up to 3.3 today and then fell back to 5.5... third or fourth time i've fallen from 3 to 5 this season... the yo-yo is real...
my own fault cuz I keep switching decks, but right now I think learning the new decks and trying to find a niche I enjoy is more important than "efficiency" in laddering
my own fault cuz I keep switching decks, but right now I think learning the new decks and trying to find a niche I enjoy is more important than "efficiency" in laddering
Since Wild is warped toward dealing with Paladin, I am having a blast climbing with Patron Warrior. It's one of my favorite decks, and I imagine that it won't be viable for long...
Is Spiteful Priest still that strong? I feel I have a better chance as Big Spell Mage against this deck now as I had before the rotation. Without Netherspite Historian and Drakonid OP they lost a lot of value and with Voodoo Doll I have one option more to deal with big spiteful minions, even Tyrantus.
Went back to Secret Mage and went from 9 to 5 pretty quickly. It's the aggro version with Arcane Missiles, Cinderstorm and Black Cats. It's a Paladin destroyer and I don't have a ton of trouble vs Warlock either. Not great against Priest and terrible against Druid unless I get perfect draw. Mana Wyrm is so damn powerful.
### Secret Mage
# Class: Mage
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Raven
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# 2x (1) Arcane Missiles
# 2x (1) Mana Wyrm
# 2x (2) Arcane Explosion
# 2x (2) Arcanologist
# 2x (2) Frostbolt
# 2x (2) Primordial Glyph
# 2x (2) Sorcerer's Apprentice
# 2x (3) Arcane Intellect
# 2x (3) Black Cat
# 2x (3) Cinderstorm
# 2x (3) Counterspell
# 2x (3) Explosive Runes
# 2x (3) Kirin Tor Mage
# 2x (4) Fireball
# 1x (6) Aluneth
# 1x (10) Pyroblast
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### Secret Mage
# Class: Mage
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Raven
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# 2x (1) Arcane Missiles
# 2x (1) Mana Wyrm
# 2x (2) Arcane Explosion
# 2x (2) Arcanologist
# 2x (2) Frostbolt
# 2x (2) Primordial Glyph
# 2x (2) Sorcerer's Apprentice
# 2x (3) Arcane Intellect
# 2x (3) Black Cat
# 2x (3) Cinderstorm
# 2x (3) Counterspell
# 2x (3) Explosive Runes
# 2x (3) Kirin Tor Mage
# 2x (4) Fireball
# 1x (6) Aluneth
# 1x (10) Pyroblast
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# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
Arcane explosion is unlike the other 2 cards you listed, it's actually a solid card that saw play in the past around TGT/BRM.
New Tempo Storm report out.
I've been having good success with big spell, too, but I'm not sure how many people actually have access to it. I'm not using cards like Alex, Lich King, or Harrison, but even then, there's still three other legendaries and quite a few epics.
>Even Paladin on top
Yeah, I thought so. They have access to tools that Odd Paladin does it, and they have one of the strongest turn 1 moves no matter the turn.
Yeah, I thought so. They have access to tools that Odd Paladin does it, and they have one of the strongest turn 1 moves no matter the turn.
The spiteful decks are so fucking boring to play, but they're effective, so I'll keep playing them. Pretty much pilot themselves.
Really want a fun priest deck to play. Most of the ones I make get slaughtered by aggro. Doing well against slow decks though.
Really want a fun priest deck to play. Most of the ones I make get slaughtered by aggro. Doing well against slow decks though.
I'm reading through the Tier list and explanations and ran across this "its matchups are pretty polarizing, so it can sometimes be very bad, but sometimes it can be very good" for Odd Hunter. Are all Hunter decks like this? as in is this just the major characteristic of the Hunter class? I'm mostly playing Hunter (at the lower ranks 25-19), and I either win big or get crushed...
Summon two Dudes?
No, face hunter is particularly polarizing to an almost unprecedented degree in this meta.
Ah, meta specific. Thanks!
This even/odd mechanic really turned out well. Tons of hate at the reveal, too.
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Not that strong compared to even paladin. Even Paladin can take care of those 2 dudes every turn, all whilst having the mana to keep summoning another tool. Even if odd palading has a full board of 1/1s on turn 4, even palading gets consecration to just immediately wreck the board. Later in the game they get equality+Consecration, primordial drake, heck call to arms allows you to counter their board.
The fact is odd paladins only strong against characters without board clear. And even paladin gets both board clear, and the ability to start filling up their board from turn 1.
It comes in clutch pretty frequently, especially with Black Cat. People aren't expecting it. I'm amazed at how frequently people will let my black cat live and kill a sorcerers apprentice or even a Kirin Tor Mage, only to get board blasted by Arcane Explosion for 2 and then Cinderstorm->frostbolt for 10 to the face all for 7 mana. Always followed by "wow..."
Baku and Genn decks are doing well. I think you're being overly dismissive and once the meta settles a bit some more decks may come out. I'm actually having a lot of success with Dragon Paladin for instance thanks to the new gargoyle.
Are we even playing the same game? Even paladin, odd paladin, odd rogue, odd hunter, odd warrior... to just name a few...
With many "old" decks playing different with different cards.
I hope so, maybe I'm a bit quick to dismiss. Mind sharing your decklist? Dragon palladin seems fun.
Stormwind Champion is also a "solid" card. Which were generally exiled to arena only cards.
Those are just slight variations on other mostly aggro/ tempo decks though. I hoped it would bring some bigger changes like unforeseen did with quest, frozen throne with death knights, those all spawned some different decks.
Don't get me wrong, some of the decks that were already good will stay good and even top tier. But there's a lot of freshness in the meta right now and certainly a lot of oppressive decks have been hurt or killed with the new season.
As for Dragon Paladin, to be clear this is only successful because it's so off meta, it counters odd and even pally, and because everyone will mulligan all their best cards away in favor of counters to aggro paladin lists (which this absolutely is not). I'm sure there's room for improvement and I'd love to hear it. I have favorable matchups again all aggro, good against spiteful, and horrendous matchups against cube lock (which I barely see but I'm still at Rank 5). Only played one Hadronox druid and beat it, but I don't know enough to say how it would do generally.
Also, no deck code. Sorry :(
2x Righteous Protector
2x Cathedral Gargoyle
1x Lone Champion (which I want to replace)
2x Stonehill Defender
2x Scaleworm
1x Spellbreaker
2x Truesilver Champion
2x Twilight Drake
2x Cobalt Scalebane
2x Spkeridged Steed
2x Spiteful Summoner (yes, this works with a 6 cost spell)
1x Sunkeeper Tarim
2x Wyrmguard
2x Lay on Hands
2x Primordial Drake
1x Tiron Fordring
1x Uther of the Ebon Blade (I go back on forth on whether this is worth it, I feel like I rarely want to cast it and usually wait until it's all that's left)
1x Ysera (played with protection will usually last at least 2 turns)
Happy to get any feedback on this. It's taken me from 10 to 5 (I did play Even Pally to get two wins to get to 5). I'm going to see if it can take me all the way to legend. I'm thinking of adding the new 4 cost legendary which replenishes Divine Shield as that's pretty solid.
Looks good, I will give it a spin. Feels like I'm missing an equality concentration, but I can see why you cut it because of spitefull.
The highlight of my week was queuing up with Patron Warrior and facing classic Handlock. Just kill Naga Sea Witch, tone down Call to Arms, and nerf Carnivorous Cube, and the meta will be in a fantastic place.
My opponent - I didn't recognize the matchup fast enough and over-enabled the giant drops when I wasn't prepared to handle them. I thought I was fighting a Naga Giants deck, so I was trying to damage race.
I ran it for a bit but I liked spiteful better. I then tried to run spiteful with equality/consecration and it still worked most of the time, but pulling equality is basically no value at all and with all the taunts, you're never really against something you can't overcome even if a big minion has to hit multiple taunts you put down. Wyrmguard is a real hero for this, soaking at least two hits from big minions (and sometimes more if you can hit it with Lay on Hands).
I am going to replace the Lone Champion with either The Glass Knight or Aldor Peacekeeper. I think either of those will be better generally.
I gotta say though Cubelock just needs to go. The guy put up taunt after taunt after taunt that took forever to get through, healed for 22, and then ultimately OTK'd me for 35 damage (chewing through 5 armor as well). Obviously that was a perfect scenario for him, but it's just frankly not fun to play against. There is no counter to it other than running an outrageously aggressive deck that loses to everything else over half the time. That's a real problem.
They really need to change the demon's battlecry to an ability that always triggers when it comes into play. Moving charge to the battlecry would work too but this would keep it more within the spirit of the card.
Edit: Sorry for the double post.
They really need to change the demon's battlecry to an ability that always triggers when it comes into play. Moving charge to the battlecry would work too but this would keep it more within the spirit of the card.
Edit: Sorry for the double post.
I played 9 warlocks in a row just now.... seemsfine.jpg
Quests and deathknights didn't drastically create entirely new archetypes either. At best we had quest rogue being like an aggressive combo deck which got nerfed. There aren't a that many ways to reinvent archetypes, but these decks I'd say after very different from their contemporary counterparts. You'd never see a card like raid leader in a standard paladin list, or even stormwind champion, for example. And playing against them feels different too because you know what cards they definitely cannot run, like consecration in odd paladin or argent protector/stonehill defender in even paladin.
I think if you compare every new deck to things like quest rogue, everything falls short. Even deathknights were just a new way to play control decks, or for shaman it was a plug in for evolve shaman. I think you're being a bit nostalgic about those sets, this one has been very solid so far except for warlock which seems like it's back in full force.
I'd describe it as a bad card that fits into a deck literally starved for any late game power, so mediocre at best. It hasn't even been that good in arena for years afaik.
Quests and deathknights didn't drastically create entirely new archetypes either. At best we had quest rogue being like an aggressive combo deck which got nerfed. There aren't a that many ways to reinvent archetypes, but these decks I'd say after very different from their contemporary counterparts. You'd never see a card like raid leader in a standard paladin list, or even stormwind champion, for example. And playing against them feels different too because you know what cards they definitely cannot run, like consecration in odd paladin or argent protector/stonehill defender in even paladin.
I think if you compare every new deck to things like quest rogue, everything falls short. Even deathknights were just a new way to play control decks, or for shaman it was a plug in for evolve shaman. I think you're being a bit nostalgic about those sets, this one has been very solid so far except for warlock which seems like it's back in full force.
I'd describe it as a bad card that fits into a deck literally starved for any late game power, so mediocre at best. It hasn't even been that good in arena for years afaik.
I think Baku Warrior might be my next deck. I am getting destroyed by it.
It's pretty impenetrable. Hit 5 star Rank 19; and now 5 loses in a row. This game, man. EDIT: Arrg. Done for the night...
Yeah, Baku/Quest Warrior seems legit.
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Dormir, if you're on NA and want to play some games sometime, hit me up! I'm no expert, but I might be able to point out some things I notice!
candyFrog#1327
Could you post your Patron Warrior decklist?
I really want to try this deck sometimes, but first I have to check how much dust I need.
I find that deck super manageable, so I'm okay with that. Haha. Although I lost to one last night because my opponent played Sea Giant and I played Ragnaros. Rag went face, and then my opponent played that minion who randomly gives windfury/taunt/divine shield, and of course he gave the Giant windfury. Then he plopped down Dire Wolf for another 2 damage for lethal. That was my BS loss of the night and where I stopped playing.
Here is Control's list:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xwYFGTYwlQ
He's one of the top Wild players, so I'd rather give you his decklist than mine. My own decklist has a few cards that I really enjoy playing, but that might be suboptimal, like Ragnaros and the Warrior DK. I don't run any of the rush minions.
Went on a spree. Crafted Baku, 2Prince, and I'm really considering a Grommash to play Kibler's warrior rush deck.
It's been a difficult deck for me to pilot, but I'm enjoying the learning curve. You tend to take that stuff for granted when you see someone like Kibler, an expert in the game, playing a deck. I've had more than a few misplays :P
I played 10 games last night at rank 5 and didn't see a single Paladin. I wish I did because my deck destroys them but isn't as solid against control.
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