I'm saying the draws disproportionately outweighed the value of play choices. This game is not rocket science, neither player is likely to punt in a horrible manner during a game.
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I'm saying the draws disproportionately outweighed the value of play choices. This game is not rocket science, neither player is likely to punt in a horrible manner during a game.
So now you're saying people don't make mistakes? People make mistakes all the time.
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I'm just trying to help here. But I also completely disagree when people say games are decided by opening hands. Very few match ups are decided that way consistently.
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I hit rank 5 every month with Jade Druid, and I consistently draw through my entire deck during my climb. Ditto when I hit legend a few months ago.
Last month I hit rank 5 with Fatigue Warlock.
Some people climb with Fatigue Warrior just fine.
Last month I hit rank 5 with Fatigue Warlock.
Some people climb with Fatigue Warrior just fine.
They need to copy this card for hearthstone:
I don't get... This cards makes a 2 v 1 game?
you're playing against rogue and your starting hand is UI, Medivh, Nourish. Your opponent goes coin Keleseth.
you can argue that mistakes in the mulligan were made but what if the hand before was nourish, jade behemoth mark of the lotus.
I don't think BabyMurloc was looking for advice as much as a place to vent.
yes it's from an upcoming joke set with cards only legal in its own format. It doesn't work within the confines of the game, that's why they are silver bordered instead of black.
It makes it a 2v1 game, you take your turns together and share a health pool. You can block for each other and attack together.
We're talking about over the breadth of many games, not a single instance of extremely bad RNG.
we don't know how many games and while statistical outliers you can still get a bunch of games like that in a row.
when people are venting they usually aren't reasonable and offering advice might be well intended but can also be unwanted.
Brawl can produce some ridiculous games.
Opponent got the goblet and filled his hand with Primordial Drakes. I play my own goblet and get Armorsmith. At one point I have 80+ armor but with all those Drakes I can't hit face.
I win in fatigue.
Opponent got the goblet and filled his hand with Primordial Drakes. I play my own goblet and get Armorsmith. At one point I have 80+ armor but with all those Drakes I can't hit face.
I win in fatigue.
This conversation with you is getting off topic. If he doesn't want any advice that is his choice. Not gonna argue with you over what he wants or doesn't want. And really, if you're playing a properly constructed deck, it's rare outcome that decisions don't matter. And I'm 27-4 with midrange paladin in wild so the idea that the game is too heavily influenced by starting hand and not by your decisions is completely wrong and I'm open to discuss that but I'm not gonna be silenced because someone maybe, maybe not, doesn't want to hear that point of view on the topic.
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I probably come off a bit more aggressively than I intend to here.
Damn, this paladin list is pretty legit (wild list). Took it off tempostorm. I knew this kind of deck was strong based on the last time I played my own version of it. Went 29-5. Barely felt taxing playing all those games, I guess in part due to heavily familiarity with the deck already and part due to most of my opponents being low rank since this is the first I went to wild ladder this month.
Went and found my recent games against HS streamers. If anyone is interested:
Me vs @Navi00T https://t.co/0TylCEeP5l
Me vs @RegisKillbin https://t.co/2PdNwIs1m5
Me vs @Navi00T https://t.co/0TylCEeP5l
Me vs @RegisKillbin https://t.co/2PdNwIs1m5
Went from 8 to 30 as well. Top wild legend is shit, u queue into the same people again and again , it's all a game of counterqueuing. Legend ladder worldwide server blizz plz. Who care about latency in this game.
Don't worry about it, I was just venting. I still do feel that aggro hunter is especially dependent on the opening hands (of you and opponent). There's all kinds of synergy minions that need to come out in the right order and they're very vulnerable to early removal. Also the deck inevitably stalls and has little recovery. Which is actually something I could use help figuring out, what options are there to make hunter aggro go longer. Highmane and Bonemare are the easy solutions that I'm using right now.
Does anyone play Ancient One decks anymore? Seems like a really fun card but if it loses to everything then no point in crafting it. Although I did dust the minion copying legendary which I now regret.
So guys, are DK's now excluded from Arena? Did I miss this?
If this is the case, I'm totally going to focus into Arena for a while. I don't really want to spend another £50 on pre-ordering another expansion so playing with the new cards in Arena would suit me better at the moment.
If this is the case, I'm totally going to focus into Arena for a while. I don't really want to spend another £50 on pre-ordering another expansion so playing with the new cards in Arena would suit me better at the moment.
yup, they're out as of Monday. if you see one it was drafted before that.
Wow, sweet. It was really doing my head in running into unbeatable Gul'Dan's and Jaina's. Thanks!
I'd imagine bittertide hydra is a stronger option than some slower cards like highmane and bonemare, at least for aggro hunter. If you're aiming for midrange I think you might run all 3 of them though.
41% win rate with trump.dec elemental mage. I'm calling 100% Blizzard shenanigans on streamer win rates. I might be a drooling idiot that can't play even the weakest opponents, but Trump's opponents cannot be.
I believe this is an oversimplification. He is also playing in a different environment -- a high-profile streamer who who is also getting matched against the decks that are meta at his ranking and/or hidden rating and/or deck profile(s).
If you play through rank 20-1 for example, you may notice that the common decks change depending on the ranking. There are also a lot more opponents so variability may be a lot higher.
BabyMurloc, if you wouldn't mind posting the deck list and your ranking we may be able to offer suggestions.
There are a lot of elemental mage variants going around right now. Post the list maybe, and see what people have to say about it?
I will say that I've been playing pretty much exclusively control mage this season, outside of quests, and I've been doing okay. Had a terrible downrank streak yesterday though that pushed me to 8 from 6, which made me sad.
did y'all do a review of last expansions predictions at this one yet? that wording is confusing but i mean at the end of the expansion looking back on what we all predicted. speaking of which i hope we keep doing that on era!
Obvious additions are Blazecallers and Frost Lich Jaina. But that's a bit too much "pay 30 bucks to improve your win rate". I want some more elemental payoffs maybe.
edit: here's the reference deck http://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/decks/trumps-f2p-elemental-mage-october-2017/
edit: here's the reference deck http://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/decks/trumps-f2p-elemental-mage-october-2017/
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Obvious additions are Blazecallers and Frost Lich Jaina. But that's a bit too much "pay 30 bucks to improve your win rate". I want some more elemental payoffs maybe.
random but that's super close to what im playing this second, bc i got an elemental mage deck (didn't consider bonemare though, i should fit it in)
### ELEMENTAL
# Class: Mage
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Mammoth
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# 2x (1) Fire Fly
# 2x (1) Mana Wyrm
# 2x (2) Flame Geyser
# 2x (2) Frostbolt
# 2x (2) Primordial Glyph
# 1x (2) Pyros
# 2x (3) Arcane Intellect
# 2x (3) Tar Creeper
# 2x (4) Fireball
# 1x (4) Polymorph
# 1x (4) Steam Surger
# 1x (4) Tol'vir Stoneshaper
# 2x (4) Water Elemental
# 2x (5) Servant of Kalimos
# 1x (7) Baron Geddon
# 2x (7) Blazecaller
# 1x (7) Firelands Portal
# 1x (7) Flamestrike
# 1x (9) Frost Lich Jaina
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# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
# Generated by HDT - https://hsdecktracker.net
imo u should def get the second servant of kalimos, its a cheap card that IMO is one of the best elementals , esp for budget deck since u can nab blazecaller or pyros!
Curiously though, lack of FLJ might just be what makes the win rate tank: 60% of games lost, let's say half will see Jaina, let's say she turns around half the games. That pushes the win rate from 40 to 55. Just a guesstimation but considering how I lose just about every game where a DK hits the table it's probably bad for everyone else as well.
edit: I'll definitely craft the Servant, I have some epics that have no homes that can be nuked for the greater good.
edit: I'll definitely craft the Servant, I have some epics that have no homes that can be nuked for the greater good.
I'm convinced that very few humans still play this game and that Blizzard has created a series of AIs that will counter pick your class during matchmaking and draw the exact cards they need to win in an attempt to make the last remaining human players rage and spend money.
u could use that card that discovers a mage/hunter/whatever spell, i forget what it is, but i know when i play it its fairly common i get a dk off it, unless that was patched at some point. i mean it's not like super often, but usually it gives a good option on one of the 3 regardless. probly more fun than reliable tho
Obvious additions are Blazecallers and Frost Lich Jaina. But that's a bit too much "pay 30 bucks to improve your win rate". I want some more elemental payoffs maybe.
edit: here's the reference deck http://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/decks/trumps-f2p-elemental-mage-october-2017/
I would -servant of kalimos, +1 bonemare, -1 flamestrike and I dunno what else specifically. The problem here is that you're playing a deck without the key ingredients so you should take it in a different direction. Maybe antonidas. RIght now you just have like a good arena deck, not a constructed level deck.
I'd suggest running a different list entirely if you don't have blazecallers or jaina. Maybe like a secret mage deck.
This list is probably within your range of crafting since the only epics you already have
https://hsreplay.net/decks/CGISVCVyNcwfGr9YPo4QXd/
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### Secret Mage
# Class: Mage
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Mammoth
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# 2x (1) Babbling Book
# 2x (1) Mana Wyrm
# 2x (2) Sorcerer's Apprentice
# 2x (2) Primordial Glyph
# 2x (2) Medivh's Valet
# 2x (2) Arcanologist
# 2x (2) Frostbolt
# 2x (3) Kirin Tor Mage
# 2x (3) Counterspell
# 2x (3) Mirror Entity
# 2x (3) Arcane Intellect
# 2x (4) Fireball
# 2x (6) Kabal Crystal Runner
# 2x (7) Firelands Portal
# 2x (7) Bonemare
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# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
# Find the deck on https://hsreplay.net/decks/CGISVCVyNcwfGr9YPo4QXd/
Played 13 games today, 9 of them were Keleseth decks and two were hunters. I switched halfway to a control warlock with fuck-aggro tools and only lost a single game after taking 4 straight losses on a murloc paladin deck. Thankfully the deck could stand against the two big decks as well, only lost to a hunter with a nuts draw.
Thanks, I'll try that. But it still doesn't remove my incredulity at how Trump was able to pilot the deck, sans Blazecallers (he got Jaina as the free DK), at such a huge winrate to quite a high level. Except if the Jaina theory is true, ie. some DKs being so overpowered that they'll boost you several ranks on the ladder on their own.
edit: I have to lol at how the advice so far has been Servant of Kalimos bad, Servant of Kalimos good. ;)
edit: I have to lol at how the advice so far has been Servant of Kalimos bad, Servant of Kalimos good. ;)
Jaina is really good and is pretty much a win condition on it's own. The thing is, she's often too late to be useful, so it's kind of a double edged sword. Plus, I mean, Trump has probably exponentially more time to play the game than you do, so I wouldn't sweat it. The way I think about it is this way: it is their job to play video games, so they are playing a lot of games, including some off stream. So, you can't beat yourself up for not being able to pilot decks as well as they do, it's not going to be possible most of the time.
Interesting. Blizzard is giving us the full schedule for the card reveals next week, with links included.
https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/blog/21215186
https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/blog/21215186
that's an upgrade! maybe one day they'll do what we all want and just dump all the cards at once.
Since it might matter depending on meta, what rank are you playing at?
Also are there any particular enemy decks you see a LOT of?
Servant of kalimos isn't bad but I think you want more tempo tools than value on a 5 drop in this meta.
nope. rotation happens at the beginning of the hearthstone year. which is in April.
nice! handlock is good clean fun these days.
I miss molten giant, sylvanas and shadowflame. : (
I miss molten giant, sylvanas and shadowflame. : (
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