Yeah this. I was surprised to find out how good so many matchups are for Miracle Rogue and the deck is very fun to play again.
Like both Warlocks and Druid are favoured imo and Odd Pally is pretty even.
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Like both Warlocks and Druid are favoured imo and Odd Pally is pretty even.
Odd paladin is one of the bad match ups. Forgot to add them to the list of miracle rogue counters.
Is it? I've always had fairly close matches unless I got multiple FoKs. Firefly and Dagger are so good against them.
Oh yeah it's bad. FOK is barely gonna help since they can refill the board over and over. HSreplay has it at like 38%. You might be getting lucky or playing people who play too hard into FOK perhaps.
Probably, definitely had a game today I won because my opponent didn't go face.
Found myself just outracing them usually w/ a Leroy finish.
it really does, i wish the legendary rule worked for epics as well, bc right after you craft it you're gonna pull it
I've mentioned this in the past but Rogue has always been my least played class, but with this odd rogue deck in wild I've been having lots of fun and success. Just hit 400 wins, that golden portrait doesn't seem so far away anymore. And games are usually quite fast.
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Looks like Fertygo didn't make it, too bad.
Looks like Fertygo didn't make it, too bad.
Shadybunny has an interesting video about the Taverns of Time Arena Meta.
Basically Cavern Dreamer is the new Vicious Fledgeling, and you need to draft to take control of board early so it can't snowball. Faerie Dragon is really good right now because of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB-a_U4ZxXY
Basically Cavern Dreamer is the new Vicious Fledgeling, and you need to draft to take control of board early so it can't snowball. Faerie Dragon is really good right now because of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB-a_U4ZxXY
Thanks. That guy has solid advice. I skimmed his video, picked shaman, and got a deck that went 12-2 right away. Drafted a fastish deck, with 2 Masters of Reality to top the curve as well as 2 copies of primalfin totem for MVP. Basically any game where I either kept primalfin alive for a couple of turns or got Master of Reality to give me something good was a win. Had 1 copy of Bloodlust to finish out a couple of games where I controlled the early game with totem. Nightmare Amalgam and 2x Twilight Drakes also did work, as I often totem passed to keep my hand size decent in a few games.
Has anybody tried warlogglina decks?
The 5 card togwaggle combo is Summoning Portal Summoning portal faceless togwaggle azalina for 10 mana. It is the only zero setup complete togwaggle combo in standard I think.
Warlock has good board sweeps, heal, draw, it feels like this could be a solid meme deck.
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# Class: Warlock
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Raven
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# 2x (1) Dark Pact
# 2x (1) Kobold Librarian
# 2x (2) Defile
# 2x (2) Doomsayer
# 2x (2) Plated Beetle
# 2x (3) Tar Creeper
# 2x (4) Hellfire
# 2x (4) Lesser Amethyst Spellstone
# 2x (4) Summoning Portal
# 2x (5) Despicable Dreadlord
# 1x (5) Faceless Manipulator
# 2x (6) Possessed Lackey
# 1x (7) Azalina Soulthief
# 1x (7) Lord Godfrey
# 1x (8) King Togwaggle
# 1x (8) Twisting Nether
# 2x (9) Voidlord
# 1x (10) Bloodreaver Gul'dan
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Thoughts on this build? I included a lackey package for defense and for deck thinning. It feels possibly too clunky though.
The 5 card togwaggle combo is Summoning Portal Summoning portal faceless togwaggle azalina for 10 mana. It is the only zero setup complete togwaggle combo in standard I think.
Warlock has good board sweeps, heal, draw, it feels like this could be a solid meme deck.
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# Class: Warlock
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Raven
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# 2x (1) Dark Pact
# 2x (1) Kobold Librarian
# 2x (2) Defile
# 2x (2) Doomsayer
# 2x (2) Plated Beetle
# 2x (3) Tar Creeper
# 2x (4) Hellfire
# 2x (4) Lesser Amethyst Spellstone
# 2x (4) Summoning Portal
# 2x (5) Despicable Dreadlord
# 1x (5) Faceless Manipulator
# 2x (6) Possessed Lackey
# 1x (7) Azalina Soulthief
# 1x (7) Lord Godfrey
# 1x (8) King Togwaggle
# 1x (8) Twisting Nether
# 2x (9) Voidlord
# 1x (10) Bloodreaver Gul'dan
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Thoughts on this build? I included a lackey package for defense and for deck thinning. It feels possibly too clunky though.
Been switching between Odd Pally and Spell Hunter. I think I win more with hunter since I just get the matchups and feel like I make decisions that actually matter.
This one was pretty sweet. https://hsreplay.net/replay/9G9efTTGPXT7CDLhEY7bzj it's nice holding onto the juiced up spellstone until after the second hellfire to really seal the game.
This one was pretty sweet. https://hsreplay.net/replay/9G9efTTGPXT7CDLhEY7bzj it's nice holding onto the juiced up spellstone until after the second hellfire to really seal the game.
That's really interesting. I'm surprised I haven't heard of it before.
I do wonder if Dark Pact/Possessed Lackey makes sense for this deck post-nerfs. Maybe Skull of Manari, Mortal Coil, and Stonehill Defender instead?
Also maybe worth considering Phantom Militia for it's amazing combo with summoning portal. You wouldn't ever use that combo when you plan to do the toggwaggle combo, but it would open up a killer finisher vs most aggro. Stonehill Defender kinda opens up this combo as well if you get lucky.
Didn't get daily quest yesterday, and only 1 today. Winrate is 25-8 (76%) to rank 1 with big mage. Glad that I can get rank 1, so I can start from rank 5 next season.
7-0 against druid (6 taunt druid 1 token druid)
6-2 against rogue
5-1 against warlock
1-1 against mage
2-0 against pally
1-0 against priest
2-0 against shudderwock shaman
1-4 against hunter, only win is against spell hunter.
7-0 against druid (6 taunt druid 1 token druid)
6-2 against rogue
5-1 against warlock
1-1 against mage
2-0 against pally
1-0 against priest
2-0 against shudderwock shaman
1-4 against hunter, only win is against spell hunter.
Everything. The meta is all over the place and very balanced. Every single class has a deck that could be "tier 1".
Odd Pali is still the highest win rate, has the fastest match ups, and is the most mindless to play (easy to rank), but every class but one has a Deck that is over 50% win rate based on stats. Priest is the only one not over 50% based on stats, but Quest Priest is a solid deck (if you like really....really.... long games)
Zoolock is even a thing, again, somehow.
I ran into thepotatoman on my way to wild legend, we had a good game he was playing shudderwock, i almost got him but ran out of steam and couldn't finish with my odd rogue deck. His legendary butt kicked my rank 1 butt back to rank 2, every game since then has been back and forth so decided to screw around in standard with my recruit hunter deck, streaked from rank 7 to 5.
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Shadow visions, radiant elemental and mind blast leads to a ton of turn 4 wins.
My created Druid mill deck is chewing through all of the Priests in Tavern Brawl. Having a blast.
I dont think you can lose on T3, the earliest you can play the combo is T4 going second
it's very inconsistent by itself because you need to draw the correct cards, so I added extra cards to either win with mind blast combo or innerfire combo and to draw more cards.
I got my 30 wins that way
The inner fire combo seems a bit more stable than the Mind Blast one simply because you only need 1 elemental and 1 PW:S to draw your whole deck. And you can definitely do that at 3 mana. If you start with the elemental or PW:S your hand (probably the toughest part of the deck right there), then all you need is Turn 3 to win and them not running silence.
Me either, I assumed it was still coming at some point.
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/hearthstone/topic/20765406379
I'm extremely confused. Are they really rebalancing arena as if it's not Taverns of Time, in the middle of Taverns of Time? No way they would do anything that nonsensical, right?
I'm extremely confused. Are they really rebalancing arena as if it's not Taverns of Time, in the middle of Taverns of Time? No way they would do anything that nonsensical, right?
yes, they are doing that, mainly because taverns of time is an event within arena that just adds picks to the normal picks we had before, the timing of the adjustment isn't because of the event, just merely that it was adjusted while we are in the event. They usually take their sweet ass time to make adjustments so this probably has been weeks in the works
But why not wait for the event to end instead of nerfing druid while druid is already the worst class and giving Mage and Shaman a further boost by nerfing paladin.
I've topped out at rank 59 legend so far in my Shudderwock only wild season. Pretty good for what tempostorm calls a tier 4 archetype.
I think I'm liking my replacement of Glacial Shard with Doomsayer. Makes kingsbane rogue and big priest matchups a lot worse, but even shaman and odd rogue matchups much better. Does feel a little weird when all of standard runs Glacial Shard, and only some run doomsayer, but I guess I shouldn't base every decision on what's popular in standard.
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I think I'm liking my replacement of Glacial Shard with Doomsayer. Makes kingsbane rogue and big priest matchups a lot worse, but even shaman and odd rogue matchups much better. Does feel a little weird when all of standard runs Glacial Shard, and only some run doomsayer, but I guess I shouldn't base every decision on what's popular in standard.
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I made a Priest deck with 2 Radiant Elementals, 2 PWS, and 1 Inner Fire. I had both Radiants out, 1 PWS left, and the opposing Mage uses Counterspell on it.
Thankfully I drew Inner Fire soon after to win.
Thankfully I drew Inner Fire soon after to win.
if you read what you posted, druid was overperforming, so if anything, it was too good. They have their own statistics.
I meant they're way underperforming for the event. I agree with the changes for the non-event meta, just the timing of it during the event.
They probably don't think the changes will greatly influence the current event meta one way or the other or at least not enough to put off the changes.
Made control warlock and token druid decks and I really suck with them
How is token druid #1 on temp storm lol
How is token druid #1 on temp storm lol
Token Druid is really good but if you run up against Evenlock, Warrior with Warpath, and Priest with Physic Scream you have big problems, you are super favoured against a lot of other decks though. Whispering Woods + Soul of the Forest is impossible for a lot of classes to deal with and Savage Roar with anything more tha four minion on board is a lot of damage.
I dont like the list chosen for the Snapshot tbh and am using this instead
- # 2x (1) Lesser Jasper Spellstone
- # 2x (2) Power of the Wild
- # 2x (2) Wild Growth
- # 2x (3) Savage Roar
- # 2x (4) Branching Paths
- # 1x (4) Ironwood Golem
- # 2x (4) Oaken Summons
- # 2x (4) Soul of the Forest
- # 2x (4) Swipe
- # 2x (4) Violet Teacher
- # 2x (4) Wispering Woods
- # 2x (5) Arcane Tyrant
- # 2x (5) Nourish
- # 2x (6) Spreading Plague
- # 1x (7) Malfurion the Pestilent
- # 2x (10) Ultimate Infestation
OTK priest
malygos druid
control priest (ft. mind blast)
spell hunter
miracle rogue
odd paladin
odd rogue
taunt druid
even shaman
recruit hunter
even warlock
These are the last 11 games I played.
What a varied meta this really is. You maybe could hope for this kind of variety at very low ranks and even the start of some expansions haven't had this amount of variety.
malygos druid
control priest (ft. mind blast)
spell hunter
miracle rogue
odd paladin
odd rogue
taunt druid
even shaman
recruit hunter
even warlock
These are the last 11 games I played.
What a varied meta this really is. You maybe could hope for this kind of variety at very low ranks and even the start of some expansions haven't had this amount of variety.
Please no expiring subscription. If they just added or let you unlock like 4 more deck slots it would be nearly perfect.
I also want the option to hover over my deck and actually SEE my animated cardbacks instead of seeing a fraction of them, but Brode told me on Twitter they never figured out something that worked well on mobile. Then again, Brode is gone now... :O
And the nerfs didn't even touch any witchwood cards. I wonder how much better Kobolds and Catacombs would have been if they did the nerfs then.
Oh well, meta is in an extremely good place right now. Only card I think needs to be nerfed is Barnes, because screw that card.
Reno priest played benedictus against my togwaggle druid when i had 1 card left in the deck.
He had an entomb in hand when i comboed off. He didn't take my togwaggle.
I don't think he was familiar with the matchup.
He had an entomb in hand when i comboed off. He didn't take my togwaggle.
I don't think he was familiar with the matchup.
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