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Hearthstone |OT1| New Era, Same Meta
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I was rank 11 with 2 stars and won a game.
I then got matched against the same rank 11 player for the next game. How does that work? Shouldn't they have lost stars and I have gotten matched against someone of my rank? Or is it possible they had a win streak and the math somehow worked out?
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At any rate it took 7-8 hours and 76 games to hit rank 10 from rank 20-22. It's been a while since I've been down here but at least pirate warrior still worked so it didn't take ages.
This is the first time I've noticed the meta significantly helping me. I wouldn't have been NEAR as successful had it not been for all the priests, against whom I went 17-2. I even beat a dragon priest twice at the end, and that's normally the hardest matchup for me.
I then got matched against the same rank 11 player for the next game. How does that work? Shouldn't they have lost stars and I have gotten matched against someone of my rank? Or is it possible they had a win streak and the math somehow worked out?
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At any rate it took 7-8 hours and 76 games to hit rank 10 from rank 20-22. It's been a while since I've been down here but at least pirate warrior still worked so it didn't take ages.
This is the first time I've noticed the meta significantly helping me. I wouldn't have been NEAR as successful had it not been for all the priests, against whom I went 17-2. I even beat a dragon priest twice at the end, and that's normally the hardest matchup for me.
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priest is kind of bad in this meta right now it's weird that people are playing it. i'd expect more big druids and rogues.
Please correct me if I'm misinterpreting the hsreplay.net data, but it looks like there are several 57% winrate priest decks with thousands of games on each: https://hsreplay.net/decks/#sortBy=winrate&playerClasses=PRIEST
For example, one has 8700 games and 57.5% winrate in ranked standard over the last 30 days.
those are super low sample size and not rank specific. also the type of person submitting data to hsreply is going to be an above average player. so to get a good sense for the ladder you have to knock some points off.
What are some data source(s) you would consider reliable instead? For example, the latest vicious syndicate data reaper report just came out and has big priest as a tier 2 deck at all ranks.
https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-70/
VS is a decent source since they look at different ranks, frequency and win rate. you'll notice that big priest is only at about 3% played so it's winrate data isn't going to be accurate. and you see big druid's representation jump 5% when going from all ranks to just legend ranks while it's win rate puts it in tier 1 with rogue.
edit: highlander priest is performing fairly poorly but that's mostly because people are TERRIBLE at playing it.
It sounds like the popular Razakus priest players are trying to imitate legend players who use similar decks, obviously without as much success.
It's incredible the amount of people in this brawl that will trade with the treasure chest at all costs, even if it means they'll straight up lose the game.
But now you can never play it again.maybe i play too much rogue
Just like my 666 wins with Warlock.
no it's super good. highlander just isn't the best deck for the current meta. plus it's very hard to play correctly.
Just lost against an annoying Priest who first used Raza to heal him every turn and and then 4-5 times copied cards from my hand/deck and ofc he copied my Frost Lich Jaina before I even got her. Felt humiliated and had to concede:(
At least in the following match against a Shaman I got to keep Archmage Antonidas for 3 of my own turns on the board and fireballed him to death.
At least in the following match against a Shaman I got to keep Archmage Antonidas for 3 of my own turns on the board and fireballed him to death.
Yes, probably. Subscriptions + extra DLC stuff.
Considering the attention and time the games got in this past Blizzcon it's probably WoW, Overwatch, Hearthstone, HotS and then Diablo.
Also, I really don't like the game's Reddit, it's always Kripp did this or that, brief twitch clips about a particular interaction, and price complaints. There's not much discussion going on about the game itself like in here.
Considering the attention and time the games got in this past Blizzcon it's probably WoW, Overwatch, Hearthstone, HotS and then Diablo.
Also, I really don't like the game's Reddit, it's always Kripp did this or that, brief twitch clips about a particular interaction, and price complaints. There's not much discussion going on about the game itself like in here.
Said before, don't go to r/hs or whatever it is, use:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveHS/
if you want to use reddit for hearthstone. I'd check out the rules before posting though.
I think would love more tutor cards to prevent things like this.
Master Planner
Neutral Minion
1 Mana
0/1
Battlecry: Discover a card that costs 8 or more mana in your deck. Draw that card.
I dunno, I played against a guy who got Trogg Beastrager twice off the 'fill your hand' card and each one buffed the same card, but he killed me before he dropped whatever it was. I was sad. Sometimes I just wanna have fun :(
Marin is a bad card. you don't put it in your deck if you want to win. it's there to have fun.
This is probably doubly true when you consider that the team for Hearthstone is MASSIVELY smaller than the WoW or Overwatch teams.
I've done nothing but losing these last couple days cronwed right now by losing against control pally followed by control shaman.
Down from 1 game to rank 5 to almost rank 9 and I'm just not having any fun. It's starting to get to a point where it feels more like an obligation than a hobby.
edit: switch to a deck I play for fun and queue into keleseth priest which play skulking geist that singelhandily negates my wincon of cold blood.
Down from 1 game to rank 5 to almost rank 9 and I'm just not having any fun. It's starting to get to a point where it feels more like an obligation than a hobby.
edit: switch to a deck I play for fun and queue into keleseth priest which play skulking geist that singelhandily negates my wincon of cold blood.
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I'm sorry but playing against a Mage who pulls 3 Ice Blocks out of his ass to win a game is fucking bullshit. Much fun, so interactive! /rant
So, uh, you can't craft Karazhan cards? Whatta crock if so. The single player content is super dull.
I think most people consider the single-player adventures one of the strongest parts of Hearthstone content. I think it's pretty neat, or at least I remember the Lich King and Reno Jackson content being pretty neat.
ah thanks, that's much better.
even after paying for art and voice actors? I mean, all cards have voices and you'd have to pay for each line in different languages, no?
voice actors for mega major roles like the RDR lead are paid very little, let alone recording two lines. Hearthstone is just printing money, the cost to run it is very low, most of it is advertising. With WoW, they have a huge team, in fact they even pulled Diablo 3 team to work on it since legion to reduce content drought. No other Blizzard game has as many frequent content releases as Hearthstone despite its smaller staff, that tells you enough how much they invest in it relative to their other titles.
Well, a ton of cost is in marketing so you can't just go off of team size and development periods alone. I get the impression hearthstone has a huge marketing budget because it's on mobile.
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I would imagine that a lot of people would be surprised how much money Overwatch makes, the budget for the Overwatch League has to be absurd. But while the art and voice acting does add cost, compared to the long term contracts voice actors have for other Blizzard games, I would imagine doing work for Hearthstone doesn't pay much. Also you have a ton of people spending $150 a year on the game. That's almost as much as WoW.
Blizzard isn't footing the entire bill on the overwatch league, that is basically a buy in system for teams. I don't know how it is organized exactly but I remember reading that teams have to pay a ton into the league to be a part of it.
Ok sometimes this game feels pretty good, like when you successfully untap with a 11/8 winfury Volcanosaur in arena.
I hit Rank 10 tonight for the first time ever and I did it by beating a Quest Mage. Feels great!
I think the original buyin was in the millions to own an OW team. Crazy that it's all happening and the game has horrific balance. Like in terms of Blizzard competitive balance it goes:
HotS >>> HS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OW
Hard to compare all 3 game's balance like that. They're balance philosophy is probably strikingly different between a fps and moba, let alone a card game.
The concept of good balance is pretty universal: greater and more extreme outliers make a game less balanced, and fewer and less extreme outliers make a game more balanced.
You can compare to other genres.
HOTS is more or less as balanced as other long standing MOBAs. MOBAs are extremely difficult to balance because they have a lot of mechanics in play but HOTS is definitely fine in the balance department, tiers exist but they are blurry and everyone has their own tier lists (bottom 10 is kinda bad but I think Blizzard just needs a pass on general Specialists just like they are about to do with Stealth heroes).
Card games are probably even harder to balance and it's a good thing that HS is relatively simple compared to other card games because otherwise it would've been a balancing nightmare. So when taking that into the equation, the game is decently balanced.
I don't know much about Overwatch, in fact I know next to nothing about it. But everyone I know who plays Overwatch even some what passionately complains incessantly about the balance. This is definitely a huge step up from complaining about HOTS or HS (though in some patches people have complained about HS a lot). Right now people aren't complaining about balance in HS which means it's in a good state for most players (good is relative of course) unlike say a few months ago when Druid was god.
HOTS is more or less as balanced as other long standing MOBAs. MOBAs are extremely difficult to balance because they have a lot of mechanics in play but HOTS is definitely fine in the balance department, tiers exist but they are blurry and everyone has their own tier lists (bottom 10 is kinda bad but I think Blizzard just needs a pass on general Specialists just like they are about to do with Stealth heroes).
Card games are probably even harder to balance and it's a good thing that HS is relatively simple compared to other card games because otherwise it would've been a balancing nightmare. So when taking that into the equation, the game is decently balanced.
I don't know much about Overwatch, in fact I know next to nothing about it. But everyone I know who plays Overwatch even some what passionately complains incessantly about the balance. This is definitely a huge step up from complaining about HOTS or HS (though in some patches people have complained about HS a lot). Right now people aren't complaining about balance in HS which means it's in a good state for most players (good is relative of course) unlike say a few months ago when Druid was god.
It's such a heartwarming feeling to see a warlock soulfire my minion and watch their death knight get discarded.
Sadly it didn't matter because of bonemare, but at least I had a moment's hope.
Sadly it didn't matter because of bonemare, but at least I had a moment's hope.
unbalanced metas in hs are way more interesting and fun to play. It's the most balanced right now and very dull because of it. I like it more when there is this one deck ruling the meta. Skill matters more then and you have people coming up with odd creative decks that only beat that one deck and will not work in balanced metas.
Right now you have a balance which mostly means initial draws have even more weight than other times. Zzz
Right now you have a balance which mostly means initial draws have even more weight than other times. Zzz
People say aggro deck is boring but current itteration of zoolock is really fun for me.. its more midrangey than ever and maybe far less skill demanding than before but can manage your resource because life taping is great feeling and dropping absurd Guldan if he hasnt discarded is never not feel majestic.
My issue with the deck is that I'm playing 10 or less unique cards to the deck.
Yeah no fuck everyone who runs Patches/Scalebane/Firefly/Keleseth/Bonemare in their aggro tempo deck. Blizzard just has to keep printing these bullshit neutrals.
Depends on if they print more cards that interact with your Hero Power, it's a solid card, just competes hard with Tirion.
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