if DMH warrior becomes a tier 1 deck I will make it my mission to play only decks they have a terrible matchup against.
-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
Hearthstone |OT1| New Era, Same Meta
- Thread starter ZealousD
- Start date
- Status
If this card had Taunt, it may have made dude Paladin playable. As it is, I don't see that deck working and so this card ends up being trash. Amazing art tho.
Priest, Rogue, Priest, Rogue, Priest, Rogue... fucking kill me. Oh wait, too late I'm already dead inside.
EDIT: Oops, sorry forgot Druid, fuck you guys too. What a horrible fucking game this becomes 3 months into every expansion.
EDIT: Oops, sorry forgot Druid, fuck you guys too. What a horrible fucking game this becomes 3 months into every expansion.
Last edited:
Same, I actually got tired playing against druid. Haven't PO, considering to take a break or not playing much until rotation.
This just seems like a strictly worse shield slam. Aside from noogenfloober shenanigans.A new FWA!
lol
That Warrior weapon feels like it needs to add armor or something. Playing this is going to be awkward on curve and I am not sure how it solves the current problems.
Regarding Doomerang: the value in that card now is now threefold. You get the damage from the thrown weapon. Kingsbane goes back into your hand, which means you can keep the weapon around with its current buffs instead of having to wait to draw it. And Doomerang will trigger Auctioneer, which means the setup will be like a 1 mana Eviscerate with no combo requirement.
@Mobius I can't decide if you run that weapon in the Miracle package like you put to draw it more often and utilize the anti-fatigue property, if you play it with a lot of Pirates for maximum damage value (turn 1 weapon, coin, Buccaneer to summon patches is now the most powerful turn 1 play in the game), because you can get this weapon to deal over 15 damage per hit while healing you, and that is nuts. Or do you run it in some kind of Mill Rogue deck for repeated Envenom Weapon guaranteed removal with Healbot to keep you going?
All of these options are extremely interesting to me. This will be my deck to solve this expansion. Does DK Valeera's hero power give you a second blade with the enchantments on? DK Valeera could be used to spike the damage through the roof. You can double Poison Weapon, etc. There's also the potential to N'Zoth back the +2 attack deathrattle for another +4 in the late game, and Shadowstep could re-activate Strider, Vilespine, OR weapon buff pirates.
I sat down to try and theortcraft a deck for this card, and I was just all over the place. Lol.
Regarding Doomerang: the value in that card now is now threefold. You get the damage from the thrown weapon. Kingsbane goes back into your hand, which means you can keep the weapon around with its current buffs instead of having to wait to draw it. And Doomerang will trigger Auctioneer, which means the setup will be like a 1 mana Eviscerate with no combo requirement.
@Mobius I can't decide if you run that weapon in the Miracle package like you put to draw it more often and utilize the anti-fatigue property, if you play it with a lot of Pirates for maximum damage value (turn 1 weapon, coin, Buccaneer to summon patches is now the most powerful turn 1 play in the game), because you can get this weapon to deal over 15 damage per hit while healing you, and that is nuts. Or do you run it in some kind of Mill Rogue deck for repeated Envenom Weapon guaranteed removal with Healbot to keep you going?
All of these options are extremely interesting to me. This will be my deck to solve this expansion. Does DK Valeera's hero power give you a second blade with the enchantments on? DK Valeera could be used to spike the damage through the roof. You can double Poison Weapon, etc. There's also the potential to N'Zoth back the +2 attack deathrattle for another +4 in the late game, and Shadowstep could re-activate Strider, Vilespine, OR weapon buff pirates.
I sat down to try and theortcraft a deck for this card, and I was just all over the place. Lol.
That rogue weapon just feels too hard to support, takes too many mediocre cards and too long to get value out of them.
am I the only one that remembers control warrior playing gorehowl? After 2 or so uses it wasn't cleaning up much anymore in the lategame.
Would have preferred it as 1/2 weapon that gains attack equal to your armour, then at least it could be closer to balanced war axe in the early game.
I tried to argue in the Wild Discord that Gorehowl is no longer relevant because all minion decks now either:
1) Fill the board with trash and then overrun you suddenly.
Or
2) Slam an endless stream of massive minions.
Gorehowl doesn't help with either of these very well.
Oh for sure Gorehowl doesn't see play for a reason that was more a functional comparison than the cards directly.
What I hadn't considered could make this weapon unplayable is decks copying your armor w/ gluttonous ooze.
The only place I could see the new Warrior weapon seeing play is DMH Warrior. They can generate a stupid amount of armor with Bring It On! and they can just include this weapon in their late game shuffle to have a 'permanent' 10~20 attack weapon.
But then the deck can already generate infinite removal by shuffling Execute or Brawl, so... I dunno.
But then the deck can already generate infinite removal by shuffling Execute or Brawl, so... I dunno.
I feel like you need to make the rogue weapon your win condition to justify all the pieces and i don't see that happening.
I think the Rogue weapon works more like a secondary win condition than a primary one. You can't build a deck assuming that you draw this unless we get a tutor. But you can build a deck that, if it fails, has this as backup power.
Edit: Also, we still have Oil in Wild. :D
Edit: Also, we still have Oil in Wild. :D
Deathrattle: heal your opponent for 8.
The trick is to craft them. Then you will start to open them in packs.
Last edited:
that's me with warrior.
some tempo rogue lists run deadly poison doesn't need much more to become good. Valeera for mill has also been lacking a tool fatigue mitigation. Copy the weapon and put a couple deadly poisons on it and you're chipping in for 3 or 5 damage a turn while never fatiguing.
Has anyone ever seen a Hearthstone game become impossible to win? I can theorize a remote possibility of it happening with a Dead Man's Hand warrior mirror match, or an Archbishop Benedictus priest mirror match. However, in either case players are likely to at least shuffle some damage and/or minion(s) as well.
If anti-fatigue tools expand like with rogue, you could end up with a rogue mirror match that cannot be won. Only one card can be shuffled, so unlike the other cases, with identical lifesteal weapons on both sides it would become a single-card infinite stalemate. And by infinite I mean "you decide if you want to surrender, or wait for your ranked opponent to rope 45 times in a row before the game awards you a tie".
If anti-fatigue tools expand like with rogue, you could end up with a rogue mirror match that cannot be won. Only one card can be shuffled, so unlike the other cases, with identical lifesteal weapons on both sides it would become a single-card infinite stalemate. And by infinite I mean "you decide if you want to surrender, or wait for your ranked opponent to rope 45 times in a row before the game awards you a tie".
Any deck with a state of fatigue in mind techs to beat other similar decks.
I have fought four Fatigue Warrior mirrors, and won every single one because I did a better job at setting up a way to counter my opponent's winstate. Sure, you can have decks like Dog's Fatigue Warrior...but if you play that exact deck you are asking for hour long games where no one wins, and that is on you.
I have fought four Fatigue Warrior mirrors, and won every single one because I did a better job at setting up a way to counter my opponent's winstate. Sure, you can have decks like Dog's Fatigue Warrior...but if you play that exact deck you are asking for hour long games where no one wins, and that is on you.
Can't attack heroes should have been the tag on Fiery War Axe.A new FWA!
lol
This is garbage on curve when you need it the most but good mid to late game. I don't now if it's worth using or not... probably not.
But Blizzard very clearly pushing this "high armor" Warrior archetype in the expansion.
That card just makes me hate what they did to FWA even more. Probably my most hated nerf. That and blade flurry.
Warsong commander remains the worst nerf.
"Soul of the card"
Win Axe nerf rly is up there as most hated nerfs for me, especially seeing as pirates are the damn problem.
I think people are looking at the warrior weapon wrong if they are making shield slam comparisons. Sure, Shield Slam is a strong card but in a meta where control warrior wants to run skulking geist, destroying your own shield slams really sucks. It also curve perfectly into shield block. And while its true that armor is more valuable than health, this weapon and that new board clear want you to weaponize armor, so a different value needs to be placed on armore in a deck like that. Not saying it is good but it probably better than people think.
I mean you say that pirates are the problem and yet pirate warrior died over night despite Blizzard leaving pirates completely untounched. Odd how that works. I want to add that by nerfing the pirates themselves it harms other classes that have the pirate tribe despite only pw truly being a problem.
Also sorry for double post.
No, I played against PW pre patches era and it was stupidly powerful then. Also hitting a patches nerf indirectly punishes a class like rogue. Seems obvious to target the card the community at large agreed needed a nerf in the only problematic pirate class. Patches wont be around forever, FWA will.
I just can't get excited for Crystal Lion or Bladed Gauntlet.
They're both cards that can be powerful but I can't imagine they'll be worth it to make it work.
They're both cards that can be powerful but I can't imagine they'll be worth it to make it work.
I like the bladed gauntlet. It's kind of a weird tempo/value card, just like the new AOE. Maybe we get a whole new archetype out of this, armor tempo warrior.
I still see plenty of pirate warrior. That shit did not die.
Tinkering with some sort of burn mage, I just have no faith in being able to retain a board into the mid-late game with this upcoming xpac
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/977269-theorycrafting-mage
it's probably better without the fireflies which means cutting the spellstone which makes me sad.
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/977269-theorycrafting-mage
it's probably better without the fireflies which means cutting the spellstone which makes me sad.
You're wild though right. Ships cannon plus patches is far more important to them than war axe. But war axe still hurt them pretty bad.
Pirate warrior worked fine for me in standard last month (60-63% win rate for two pirate warrior decks) down to rank 10, which Blizzard says is better than 90% of players for whatever that's worth.
At rank 10 I'm not sure I ever got 2 stars though, since the winrate instantly went to 50 or below because of the meta change.
At rank 10 I'm not sure I ever got 2 stars though, since the winrate instantly went to 50 or below because of the meta change.
I loved the meta before this one. I think most people liked Un'Goro meta.
- Status