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Yaboosh

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Oct 25, 2017
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It’s weird they are already getting rid of 4 heroes. They must be planning to rotate back in regularly or something. I liked mukla.
 

Noppie

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Oct 27, 2017
5,181
It’s weird they are already getting rid of 4 heroes. They must be planning to rotate back in regularly or something. I liked mukla.
IIRC they'll replace the 2 top and 2 lowest heroes for now and rework their HP's a bit. Might as well balance heroes while they're not active in the game.
 

Yaboosh

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don’t even think keeping the number at 24 even means anything. Lots of people right now can only choose from 2 heroes anyhow. Might be more variation if you just let the number of heroes climb.
 

Noppie

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don’t even think keeping the number at 24 even means anything. Lots of people right now can only choose from 2 heroes anyhow. Might be more variation if you just let the number of heroes climb.
It needs to be at least 24 to warrant for those who have pre-orders currently. I hope they'll permanently increase the pool instead of rotating for sure, for variance sake and not having the top 8 most powerful heroes each game.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Rotating cards and heroes will likely be a mainstay feature of the game, I suspect. It is not the type of game that always gets better the more cards you put in and even hero rotation can influence the meta.
 

Yaboosh

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Oct 25, 2017
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It needs to be at least 24 to warrant for those who have pre-orders currently. I hope they'll permanently increase the pool instead of rotating for sure, for variance sake and not having the top 8 most powerful heroes each game.
Absolutely at least 24. But it doesn’t have to be exactly 24 like they seem to be going with. So yeah we agree there for sure.
 

Wiibomb

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Oct 25, 2017
2,710
24 heroes exactly doesn't look like a thing they want, they just need to redesign some heroes and tweak a bit some hero powers, mike mentioned that mukla and the blue hair girl need redisigning because the HPs are not ok as they are right now.

Btw not sure about the patch today... no idea if they are planning a full patch or if everything is a server thing, because some data was datamined from the client patch a bit ago, so I'm not sure
 

SnugTeam6

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Oct 25, 2017
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United States

Four new heroes and balance changes today, no new client patch needed.
 

Noppie

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Oct 27, 2017
5,181
So they do want to keep rotating for now, interesting. Solid balance changes, happy to hear about some future plans.
 

Wiibomb

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
2,710
I'm now thiking they want to keep the mode with 24 heroes at all times and in a rotating way.
 

BigAT

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Oct 30, 2017
427
Shame they're getting rid of Lich Baz'hial. I actually liked using her and the risks that came along with it, actually got a 1st place or two with her as well.
 

cHinzo

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Oct 27, 2017
1,532
Shame they're getting rid of Lich Baz'hial. I actually liked using her and the risks that came along with it, actually got a 1st place or two with her as well.
Same, I just hero powered till I was sub-10 HP and get a lead with the extra gold. Kinda sad to see her go. Imo AFK is more risky, since u are done if u get shitty minions from the discover.
 

Noppie

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Oct 27, 2017
5,181
Floating Watcher is a weird card to add, there's almost no synergy for it or am I missing something?
 

Wiibomb

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
2,710
Well the waycher doesn't look like it will make demons suddenly even with the other types..

Or may be this junkbot nerf really will bring down the mech dominion
 

Wiibomb

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
2,710
It's pretty fascinating how good I do with some heroes and how bad I do with others, with jaraxxus I'm pretty consistently good, but others like daril I absolutely suck.

I feel like I need some kind of mini guide for each hero to get an idea how to properly play them
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Today's buffs to Murlocs mean it is a lot easier to get Coldlight Seers (and Toxfins). All those +2s and +4s to health add up.
Yeah, coldlight seers at 2 is nice. But you really hit the jackpot with brann and enough battlecries to really make that board. I do not think the murlocs are that great, but still can be very good under the right picks. Amalgam with divine shield and tall with taunt + poison is super common though still.
 

Yaboosh

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Oct 25, 2017
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The timing of Battlegrounds couldn't have been more perfect for them. Helping them get through the horrible China related PR and the lowest the meta has been in both wild and standard maybe ever. Usually when standard blows you can play wild or vice versa but not right now.

I'm so surprised how much I enjoy battlegrounds. No auto chess ever interested me at all. Great version of it.
 

Cat Party

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Oct 25, 2017
3,247
Elise is pretty bad. The map you get costs 3 coins to use, with no guarantee that you will get something you want.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,504
The timing of Battlegrounds couldn't have been more perfect for them. Helping them get through the horrible China related PR and the lowest the meta has been in both wild and standard maybe ever. Usually when standard blows you can play wild or vice versa but not right now.

I'm so surprised how much I enjoy battlegrounds. No auto chess ever interested me at all. Great version of it.
Yeah I agree. The meta is boring as fuck right now. I haven't even played one ranked match this month and I have no desire to. I probably will try to get to 5 if I can muster the motivation, but that's doubtful. Just been doing my quests and going back to battlegrounds
 

Wiibomb

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
2,710
I won a game with elyse, but for sure she did not help much with the 3 cost discorver cards. Too expensive.

Bran looks insane by what I saw
 

Noppie

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Oct 27, 2017
5,181
Elise is pretty bad. The map you get costs 3 coins to use, with no guarantee that you will get something you want.
Discover at least helps you figure out a gameplan, especially in the early stages. Discover a Rat Pack / Hyena on 2? Amalgam on 2? You know what to do. Divine shield bot dude on 3? Go go go. Rolling the inn also doesn't guarantee that you will get something you want, so it seems a fine opener to me.

Late game can be a bit awkward, but eh. That's balance.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Elise is great imo. When you buy tier 3, for example, with 7 gold and 4 cost to upgrade you have 3 gold left over. Non-elise buys a 1 tier minion and sometimes it is a 2 tier minion. Elise still has that choice, in case there is a premium pick, but also gets a guaranteed tier 3 minion from a choice of 3.

Lets say you have an extra gold and upgrade + refresh before buying. You still do not get a choice of 3 tier 3. You may not even get a single tier 3 options afaik.

Upgrading to tier 6 guarantees a tier 6 choice from your map. And more choices then you will ever be presented from a refresh. The map is almost as strong as the pick from buying your third triple, except you do not get the tier upgrade.

I like Elise, but I have not gotten to pick her enough to understand exactly how strong that is.
 

Cat Party

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Oct 25, 2017
3,247
Sorry, I just think Elise is a lower tier hero. When stacked up against the other powers in this game, being able to discover, for full price, up to 5 minions over the entire game just isn't on par. The other three heroes that were just added are all so much better.

I won a game with elyse, but for sure she did not help much with the 3 cost discorver cards. Too expensive.

Bran looks insane by what I saw
Brann is really good. The buff is applied after the minion hits the board. So, for example, if you play a battlecry minion onto an empty board, that minion will get the buff.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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oh cool tavern brawl is up, haven't played regular heartstone in a while maybe I'll try it and grab a free pack

nvm this is fucking atrocious
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Opponent plays one drop that gets summon 2 2/2s as a deathrattle

I drop something turn two that gives the opponent a 5/5 as a deathrattle

amazing
 

BigAT

Member
Oct 30, 2017
427
Just had an insane first place run where I was able to adapt all my minions to be divine shield, poisonous, windfury murlocs.

Unstoppable.
 

Wiibomb

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
2,710
These mobile timers are merciless, getting 22 seconds to chose after the battle, plus with all those animations really kill some enjoyment of BGs.

Still get pretty good placement, just got my 10th 1st place, but still, this thing is just wrong no way to properly think.
 

Yaboosh

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Oct 25, 2017
6,608
Yeah missing a key move because the timer is too short and because you can’t click anything when your hand is enlarged and your can’t play anything when your hand isn’t enlarged.

I’m not convinced anybody tried it on their phone before release.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,504
These mobile timers are merciless, getting 22 seconds to chose after the battle, plus with all those animations really kill some enjoyment of BGs.

Still get pretty good placement, just got my 10th 1st place, but still, this thing is just wrong no way to properly think.
Yeah missing a key move because the timer is too short and because you can’t click anything when your hand is enlarged and your can’t play anything when your hand isn’t enlarged.

I’m not convinced anybody tried it on their phone before release.
Lol. You pretty much have to be prepared the second a match ends. It's screwed me over too, but I've gotten used to it and a lot faster at everything. But yeah, they need to work on that. It feels so bad to roll something you want and to buy it but not get it in to play, especially if it costs you the game.

How is it even determined how much time you get after a match?
 

Yaboosh

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Oct 25, 2017
6,608
I don't know that I like zerus being in.

I never buy him, but got him with yogg. Next turn, Mama Bear. On like the fifth round. Immediately dumped my pretty awesome demon board and proceeded to completely destroy every single person from them on.

That feels icky. Obviously he's a risky buy, but man when you high roll it can make the rest of the game feel pointless.
 

Wiibomb

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
2,710
I don't know that I like zerus being in.

I never buy him, but got him with yogg. Next turn, Mama Bear. On like the fifth round. Immediately dumped my pretty awesome demon board and proceeded to completely destroy every single person from them on.

That feels icky. Obviously he's a risky buy, but man when you high roll it can make the rest of the game feel pointless.
I mean, that's the whole idea of zerus, I think its fine, I mean, it can high roll the hell out of a game, but getting something huge is not exactly very probably going by the many minions there are and the rate at which it rolls (only once per turn)

Tbh, I never chose him because I could end up with a 3 cost nothing at tier 3
 

TheZjman

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Nov 22, 2018
574
The timing of Battlegrounds couldn't have been more perfect for them. Helping them get through the horrible China related PR and the lowest the meta has been in both wild and standard maybe ever. Usually when standard blows you can play wild or vice versa but not right now.

I'm so surprised how much I enjoy battlegrounds. No auto chess ever interested me at all. Great version of it.
It is pretty good timing - but the standard meta has definitely been worse. There's just not been a lot of fun cards this last expansion unfortunately, the quests just haven't sustained but I would say Odd/Even meta was worse.

Battlegrounds is SO good though. I love it so much. Never played an auto battler but this is so much fine, and I find it surprising given it's such a limited pool of minions but loving it.
 

Yaboosh

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Oct 25, 2017
6,608
It is pretty good timing - but the standard meta has definitely been worse. There's just not been a lot of fun cards this last expansion unfortunately, the quests just haven't sustained but I would say Odd/Even meta was worse.

Battlegrounds is SO good though. I love it so much. Never played an auto battler but this is so much fine, and I find it surprising given it's such a limited pool of minions but loving it.
I’m saying standard and wild have never been this bad at the same time. There’s no where to go to have fun in constructed right now.
 

Wiibomb

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
2,710
Really excited for spoiler season, I always love them.

I just find it a bit weird they are not paying much attention to the set, usually we had a stream to kick things off, but today we only have the tournament, I guess everyone is caught in BGs right now
 
Oct 25, 2017
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So if I jump in Standard now I may have an easier time getting up the ladder? :p

But yea, the meta is so annoying right now =/


Game froze when I was going up against the person in first, I waited a couple minutes, restarted the app, got reconnected to the game and was in first place but finished the game in 2nd

Nice that you have enough time to get back in and not have your game totally blown apart
 
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