1. borghe

    borghe
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    Morgan Freeman and a few others say hi. No means no and rape is rape, but let’s nkt act like their haven’t been proven false accusations of harassment and assault. Significantly few in the single digit percentiles, but when you’re a celebrity of course stuff like that crosses your mind. You’re a prime target for shitty people to take advantage of. And in the era of metoo when so many shitty people and stories have come to the surface many seem ready to say “meh all celebrities are scum” or to that effect when it comes to dating.. ignoring that yeah.. many are probably wary of being taken advantage of.

    Granted his presentation of this is terrible
     
  2. ReginOfFire

    ReginOfFire
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    What does this mean?
     
  3. Maquiladora

    Maquiladora
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    Superman Going His Own Way
     
  4. D65

    D65
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    Superman has a fear of rejection and he needs to be able to push women into liking him otherwise he has no chance.
     
  5. TheGhost

    TheGhost
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    When you’re rich and famous anything could happen. You try dating under a microscope.
     
  6. Rudolph

    Rudolph
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    Body building is a forum full of asshats.
     
  7. D65

    D65
    Banned Member

    I don't

    Especially when handling rejection well is the coolest thing you can do
     
  8. D65

    D65
    Banned Member

    I don't

    Especially when handling rejection well is the coolest thing you can do
     
  9. ReginOfFire

    ReginOfFire
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    wtf really? I use it for advice on what to eat
     
  10. thecouncil

    thecouncil
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    This is an absolutely evil thing to say. I hope he never gets another job again, actually. If you don't want to be called a rapist, don't rape someone. Pretty simple. I hope this budding incel doesn't convince anyone to stop believing women.
     
  11. And you think this only started recently?
     
  12. BIG J

    BIG J
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    i understand what he mean but nevertheless, stupidly said
     
  13. What's he have to be paranoid about unless he either thinks those accusations are by-and-large fake or that he himself plans to do something unscrupulous? If neither of those are true, what in the world is there to be paranoid over? It makes no sense. Unless, that is, he either does think most of that stuff is made up and the same could happen to him or that he doesn't plan to behave and is worried about that being found out. But if neither of those are true, and he'd never do anything like that, and he believes the women that have come forward, what reason does he have to be paranoid about anything?

    And no, it's not one accusation=career instantly over regardless of whether it's unfounded or not. Since someone brought it up in this thread, look at stuff like Adam Sandler. That went nowhere and he's just fine. Same with Aziz Ansari. There's no basis to false accusations being career enders. They're very uncommon to begin with, and when they do happen, the situations in which they nonetheless lead to the end of someone's career are even rarer. Plus, it's obviously a different subject entirely, but when you have people like Mel Gibson that are easily allowed back in and have careers no problem even after everything that happened there, the idea that this stuff is instantly "goodbye career" becomes even more tenuous.

    These ideas that the situation is otherwise, that it is the case that false accusations are all over the place and one false accusation=instant career ender regardless of the lack of validity is the exact type of thing that makes women so hesitant and makes it so hard to them to come forward in the first place due to all the implicit assumptions about how likely it is whether they're liars or not and they're motivations for coming forward.

    The whole thing is pure nonsense through and through and rightly deserves to be called out and the amount of people that have no problem with this shouldn't surprise me, but somehow nonetheless does as I thought we had made more progress on this topic than that here but I suppose I was wrong and there's even more work still to be done than I thought, and that's immensely depressing and frustrating due to the damage it does.
     
  14. Kyra

    Kyra
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    So he doesn't want to date because persuing women is the same as raping them?

    What?
     
  15. Ryder9

    Ryder9
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    There's a reason his profile activity is hidden, defending rape looks bad
     
  16. TheGhost

    TheGhost
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    Quick to stalk? Yeah I restrict my profile because i find stalkers super creepy.

    Women don’t want to be raped, no shit
    Sorry that you can’t help but to jump to wild conclusions but that seems to be in your nature.

    Do you really think Henry Cavill of all people needs to rape anyone? The guy is merely suggesting in today’s climate his preferred choice of courtship may not be welcomed. As i stated earlier not all women react the same. A gentleman’s approach to courtship is not universally welcomed anymore apparently. He is playing it safe and for his career that’s smart. Don’t get involved in situations unless he is completely comfortable being himself with that person (and being himself does not = rapist)
     
  17. Atraveller

    Atraveller
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    Either he’s doing more than he was letting on. Or he thought MeToo movement was full of false rape accusations.
     
  18. deepFlaw

    deepFlaw
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    When did Morgan Freeman’s get proven false?

    There was an article that came out with him and a woman denying it was true, sure. But, importantly, that woman was someone who was accused of harassing people herself in the original article that accused Freeman; she wasn’t one of the accusers (though it did say he had harassed her too, IIRC). So unless something else has happened since then that I haven’t heard (which is quite possible), nothing was proven false.
     
  19. gozu

    gozu
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    Maybe Cavill is too attractive for his own good, and never learned to properly flirt with a woman using his words. Maybe he's all about the smile and the bod and the piercing gaze...and touching?


    I don't know what his deal is. All I know is his fear of women is fucking insane and if he's not happy i can swap lives with him anytime. I'll handle that pressure for you Henry...
     
  20. Anything could happen... but yet it doesn't. Unless you yourself are insinuating otherwise or are alleging that Cavill is here? Either way, again, no actual reason to be paranoid unless he thinks this stuff happens way more often than it does, when is exactly the type of thinking that makes it so hard for actual victims to come forward and makes it so difficult for them to be taken seriously when it does.

    Or to put it another way: anything can happen, yes. Including say, the sun blowing up or getting into nuclear war or a super-huge earthquake or Yellowstone erupting. But most people ain't worried about that type of thing because it's so unlikely that there's no point and there's so much else to worry over that it's just not worthwhile anyway. Why even begin to fret about something like that instead of something much more likely to be an average daily concern? Unless, that is, he thinks this is that type of daily concern that could happen to anyone at any time... which is the whole problem with the statement.

    Anything could happen, yes. But we're not typically paranoid of anything and everything, but very particular things instead, right? So why is this one of those things for him exactly?

    It's just a ridiculously harmful idea that it's something that's common enough to even be thinking about it at all either way and that's why it needs to be called out.
     
  21. Ryder9

    Ryder9
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    • User Banned (2 Days): Inflammatory accusations against another member
    k rape defender, w/e you say
     
  22. artemis

    artemis
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    So, understanding that Cavill cares so much for his Hollywood career that makes him shit himself and over reacting, it means you are supporting rape? Nice reach.

    Go creeping on users' profiles.
     
  23. This is Era we're talking about. Can't spell "needlessly dramatic outrage" without Resetera.

    The whole point of the MeToo movement is to hold men like Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey accountable for their actions but, as with all things that start off with good intentions, some people are pushing too hard and it's scaring off nicer men like Henry Cavill.

    There's a delicate balance there that needs to be found. Men need to understand there's a line they cannot cross but if they become too sheepish then it just sucks out all the fun in dating. Which, again, is totally a good thing - women have had to find and maintain the right balance between being eager but not too eager since, like, forever and the consequences of a misunderstanding or a bad date can still be much worse than simply losing your job.

    My friends and I have had this panic button system since we were teenagers, so if a date is going bad or the guy is too pushy or creepy, five other women zipline in for extraction. That we even feel like we need a system like that is proof dating is dangerous for women, so it's nice men are starting to feel the pressure too.
     
  24. TheGhost

    TheGhost
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    What the flying fuck?
    I am not defending rape, how do you even come to such a bullshit conclusion? Henry Cavill isn’t a rapist, i have never defended rape a day in my life, take your slandering bullshit elsewhere mate.

    It has to be like that because some men don’t have common sense. Lots of restaurants also are becoming safer offering women some kind of signal they can send do they can dip out of uncomfortable situations sooner on dates.
     
  25. Peacemillian

    Peacemillian
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    • User Banned (2 Weeks): Accusing women of trapping male celebrities with false rape accusations, account still in the junior phase
    He is saying he doesn't want to get falsely accused of rape, which in the current climate isn't an unwise thing to consider when your a Hollywood megastar trying to date.

    The ignorance of some of the posters in this thread is unbelievable.
     
  26. PanzerKraken

    PanzerKraken
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    Yea this sounds like what hes trying to say, it's stupid though.
     
  27. KelticNight

    KelticNight
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    Someone needs to send Cavill on a PR course. Dropping the word "rape" in his response was always going to kick up a shit storm.
     
  28. Kewlmyc

    Kewlmyc
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    You can understand what he was trying to say without agreeing with him and thinking it was stupid regardless of words said.
     
  29. SM0KE

    SM0KE
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    If he had simply said stalker or creep or harasser instead of the loaded term rapist (and insinuating a false accusation) it would have made much more sense and not be nearly as controversial.

    Maybe Cavill is a 2Pac or MJ fan tho...
     
  30. PMS341

    PMS341
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    tfw you date better than Superman
     
  31. Veggen

    Veggen
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    A hidden profile won't hide post history, just click on the number under messages.
     
  32. astro

    astro
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    You're not going to get accused of rape for trying to hit on a woman. The hyperbole shows a tone-deaf misunderstanding of recent movements.

    What are the statistics on famous people dating and famous people being accused of rape, because you must have them being so sure of this.
     
  33. Exactly. It's well-documented that women are incapable of acting unfairly towards anyone.
     
  34. His statement is dumb, but so is this reaction.
     
  35. Not only that, but all women are the exact same person! Who knew!
     
  36. Beefy

    Beefy
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    Nah, what he said was dumb
     
  37. astro

    astro
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    His hyperbole shows a complete tone-deafness and hand waves legit concerns in favour of the men, because it's so hard for the rich famous men to date, because they're all getting accused of rape now!

    It reads like incel level 4chan bullshit. It's gross people ITT are saying it's legit concern.
     
  38. TheGhost

    TheGhost
    Member

    As i said earlier, I’m not a celeb so i don’t know. I don’t know what happens behind the scenes and neither do you. I’m sure Hollywood stars have stories though that they share with one another and that’s what caused him to make this statement (poorly worded)

    I honestly think he should have said “harasser” instead of rapist because old school courtship can be seen as harassment.
     
  39. Double 0

    Double 0
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    Dumb. Real dumb, Henry.

    Try talking to women normally, and being able to accept a no.
     
  40. Visanideth

    Visanideth
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    We should try not to do this, however. This is the big problem with Cavill's words. We all had that disgrunted girl who we turned down or the angry ex who yelled "I'm going to ruin your life" or just spread false rumors about us and that's what triggers the "We get where he's coming from" answers.

    But the use of the word "rape" in this climate doesn't help anybody. There will be a time to discuss about slander and misrepresentation in relationships but it's really not now.
     
  41. Shpeshal Ed

    Shpeshal Ed
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    Not Necessarily.

    Unless I’m misunderstanding what he was saying, I think he’s implying that in the current climate, it’s pretty easy for a movie star to be a target for an opportunist looking to make a name for themselves or take down a star they have an irrational hatred for.
     
  42. astro

    astro
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    Na, sorry, but you have nothing to back up your concern here.

    Just because #metoo happened doesn't mean you can't talk to women, you're being tone deaf and absurd. Stop it.


    It's a stupid concern and it was horribly worded.
     
  43. Fedeuy

    Fedeuy
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    this is insane, you really need to calm down.
     
  44. Beefy

    Beefy
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    False rape/abuse claims are rare compared to actual abuse/rape victims. He is hyperboling shit and stuff like this hurts #metoo

    At the least it was dumb shit to say at the most disgusting
     
  45. astro

    astro
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    1. Not everyone is interested in girls ITT or on this forum. People still post like everyone else is a cis male...
    2. No, we've not all had "that disgruntled girl", lol.


    That poster isn't going to care, but you're very right.
     
  46. Shpeshal Ed

    Shpeshal Ed
    Member

    I’m not saying I agree with him.

    That’s just how I interpreted it because let’s be honest, I doubt Henry Cavill has an issue approaching women.
     
  47. astro

    astro
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    It's obvious what he meant, there are two main problems with his statement.

    1. The chances of him being targeted by a random crazy who wants to ruin his life via false accusations are higher than the average person, but if you look up the statistics on these accusations you'll notice this is a stupid concern, even for a famous person.

    2. His hyperbole "talk to a person, get accused of rape" hints at either disdain or tone-deafness to the #metoo movement, and it's simply dumb af.
     
  48. Visanideth

    Visanideth
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    I'm sorry for the generalization, of course I'm referring to the people who may find themselves in the situation Cavill is describing. English isn't my first language and I've just translated a figure of speech. I sure wish not everyone had crazed ex girlfriends or disgrunted lovers, but the point was: this stuff happens, it's not rare at all, Cavill's words are problematic because in his (perhaps understandably) more concerned perspective as a celebrity he's conflating this with the fight against rape and the #MeToo movement and one thing is not like the other.
     
  49. astro

    astro
    Member

    Sorry mate, but it's super rare to be accused of sexual harassment. We've seen hundreds of accusations fly during #metoo, which spanned many years worth of time.

    Place this next to every celebrity and every person dating right now on the earth, and the numbers are tiny in terms of your chances of being accused (probably even if you have done something).

    It's even rarer still to be falsely accused.
     
  50. Suicide King

    Suicide King
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    Personally, I don't usually try anything with someone who works with me. It doesn't matter if she's my subordinate, my superior or my colleague. I just wouldn't want to make it look like anything in the relationship is related to rape or harassment, because it's certainly possible. I'm not saying she would accuse me, obviously, but it can be a bad look for the both of us. There are exceptions of course, but that's what keeping secrets is for.

    But if I was an actor, I would be even more careful. It's easy for me to forget, but I'm not a public person. If I hooked up with a woman from my work, only 10 people would be interested to know, at most. As an actor, it's very easy to be targeted by rumors and say the wrong thing. Not only that, but the power relation that (superior-subordinate) is also applied to fans. You're exposing someone else as well in that case.