Discussion in 'EtcetEra' started by rude, Jul 11, 2018.
Granted his presentation of this is terrible
Superman Going His Own Way
Superman has a fear of rejection and he needs to be able to push women into liking him otherwise he has no chance.
Especially when handling rejection well is the coolest thing you can do
This is an absolutely evil thing to say. I hope he never gets another job again, actually. If you don't want to be called a rapist, don't rape someone. Pretty simple. I hope this budding incel doesn't convince anyone to stop believing women.
i understand what he mean but nevertheless, stupidly said
And no, it's not one accusation=career instantly over regardless of whether it's unfounded or not. Since someone brought it up in this thread, look at stuff like Adam Sandler. That went nowhere and he's just fine. Same with Aziz Ansari. There's no basis to false accusations being career enders. They're very uncommon to begin with, and when they do happen, the situations in which they nonetheless lead to the end of someone's career are even rarer. Plus, it's obviously a different subject entirely, but when you have people like Mel Gibson that are easily allowed back in and have careers no problem even after everything that happened there, the idea that this stuff is instantly "goodbye career" becomes even more tenuous.
These ideas that the situation is otherwise, that it is the case that false accusations are all over the place and one false accusation=instant career ender regardless of the lack of validity is the exact type of thing that makes women so hesitant and makes it so hard to them to come forward in the first place due to all the implicit assumptions about how likely it is whether they're liars or not and they're motivations for coming forward.
The whole thing is pure nonsense through and through and rightly deserves to be called out and the amount of people that have no problem with this shouldn't surprise me, but somehow nonetheless does as I thought we had made more progress on this topic than that here but I suppose I was wrong and there's even more work still to be done than I thought, and that's immensely depressing and frustrating due to the damage it does.
So he doesn't want to date because persuing women is the same as raping them?
Women don’t want to be raped, no shit
Sorry that you can’t help but to jump to wild conclusions but that seems to be in your nature.
Do you really think Henry Cavill of all people needs to rape anyone? The guy is merely suggesting in today’s climate his preferred choice of courtship may not be welcomed. As i stated earlier not all women react the same. A gentleman’s approach to courtship is not universally welcomed anymore apparently. He is playing it safe and for his career that’s smart. Don’t get involved in situations unless he is completely comfortable being himself with that person (and being himself does not = rapist)
There was an article that came out with him and a woman denying it was true, sure. But, importantly, that woman was someone who was accused of harassing people herself in the original article that accused Freeman; she wasn’t one of the accusers (though it did say he had harassed her too, IIRC). So unless something else has happened since then that I haven’t heard (which is quite possible), nothing was proven false.
I don't know what his deal is. All I know is his fear of women is fucking insane and if he's not happy i can swap lives with him anytime. I'll handle that pressure for you Henry...
Or to put it another way: anything can happen, yes. Including say, the sun blowing up or getting into nuclear war or a super-huge earthquake or Yellowstone erupting. But most people ain't worried about that type of thing because it's so unlikely that there's no point and there's so much else to worry over that it's just not worthwhile anyway. Why even begin to fret about something like that instead of something much more likely to be an average daily concern? Unless, that is, he thinks this is that type of daily concern that could happen to anyone at any time... which is the whole problem with the statement.
Anything could happen, yes. But we're not typically paranoid of anything and everything, but very particular things instead, right? So why is this one of those things for him exactly?
It's just a ridiculously harmful idea that it's something that's common enough to even be thinking about it at all either way and that's why it needs to be called out.
Go creeping on users' profiles.
The whole point of the MeToo movement is to hold men like Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey accountable for their actions but, as with all things that start off with good intentions, some people are pushing too hard and it's scaring off nicer men like Henry Cavill.
There's a delicate balance there that needs to be found. Men need to understand there's a line they cannot cross but if they become too sheepish then it just sucks out all the fun in dating. Which, again, is totally a good thing - women have had to find and maintain the right balance between being eager but not too eager since, like, forever and the consequences of a misunderstanding or a bad date can still be much worse than simply losing your job.
My friends and I have had this panic button system since we were teenagers, so if a date is going bad or the guy is too pushy or creepy, five other women zipline in for extraction. That we even feel like we need a system like that is proof dating is dangerous for women, so it's nice men are starting to feel the pressure too.
I am not defending rape, how do you even come to such a bullshit conclusion? Henry Cavill isn’t a rapist, i have never defended rape a day in my life, take your slandering bullshit elsewhere mate.
He is saying he doesn't want to get falsely accused of rape, which in the current climate isn't an unwise thing to consider when your a Hollywood megastar trying to date.
The ignorance of some of the posters in this thread is unbelievable.
Someone needs to send Cavill on a PR course. Dropping the word "rape" in his response was always going to kick up a shit storm.
If he had simply said stalker or creep or harasser instead of the loaded term rapist (and insinuating a false accusation) it would have made much more sense and not be nearly as controversial.
Maybe Cavill is a 2Pac or MJ fan tho...
tfw you date better than Superman
What are the statistics on famous people dating and famous people being accused of rape, because you must have them being so sure of this.
It reads like incel level 4chan bullshit. It's gross people ITT are saying it's legit concern.
I honestly think he should have said “harasser” instead of rapist because old school courtship can be seen as harassment.
Dumb. Real dumb, Henry.
Try talking to women normally, and being able to accept a no.
We should try not to do this, however. This is the big problem with Cavill's words. We all had that disgrunted girl who we turned down or the angry ex who yelled "I'm going to ruin your life" or just spread false rumors about us and that's what triggers the "We get where he's coming from" answers.
But the use of the word "rape" in this climate doesn't help anybody. There will be a time to discuss about slander and misrepresentation in relationships but it's really not now.
Unless I’m misunderstanding what he was saying, I think he’s implying that in the current climate, it’s pretty easy for a movie star to be a target for an opportunist looking to make a name for themselves or take down a star they have an irrational hatred for.
Just because #metoo happened doesn't mean you can't talk to women, you're being tone deaf and absurd. Stop it.
At the least it was dumb shit to say at the most disgusting
2. No, we've not all had "that disgruntled girl", lol.
That’s just how I interpreted it because let’s be honest, I doubt Henry Cavill has an issue approaching women.
1. The chances of him being targeted by a random crazy who wants to ruin his life via false accusations are higher than the average person, but if you look up the statistics on these accusations you'll notice this is a stupid concern, even for a famous person.
2. His hyperbole "talk to a person, get accused of rape" hints at either disdain or tone-deafness to the #metoo movement, and it's simply dumb af.
Place this next to every celebrity and every person dating right now on the earth, and the numbers are tiny in terms of your chances of being accused (probably even if you have done something).
It's even rarer still to be falsely accused.
Personally, I don't usually try anything with someone who works with me. It doesn't matter if she's my subordinate, my superior or my colleague. I just wouldn't want to make it look like anything in the relationship is related to rape or harassment, because it's certainly possible. I'm not saying she would accuse me, obviously, but it can be a bad look for the both of us. There are exceptions of course, but that's what keeping secrets is for.
But if I was an actor, I would be even more careful. It's easy for me to forget, but I'm not a public person. If I hooked up with a woman from my work, only 10 people would be interested to know, at most. As an actor, it's very easy to be targeted by rumors and say the wrong thing. Not only that, but the power relation that (superior-subordinate) is also applied to fans. You're exposing someone else as well in that case.