Henry Cavill: Hesitant to date in fear of being called a rapist

excelsiorlef

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He hasn't done anything but he's scared of being accused while having done nothing, nobody's said that women never get raped. Being accused even when the story is false is bad news you see threads around here all the time, as soon as a rumor is out, people dogpile on the dude without waiting for facts. You can wait for the investigation or whatever to be over before condemning someone. I believe it is Enzo Amore who was accused, lost his job, and then the story was proven false. You can listen to the victim without condemning the dude immediately
Wasn't proven false.

Just not enough evidence to prosecute.
 

Rumblebones

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Do y’all think he was being genuine about being afraid of being called a rapist? Dude is exaggerating. He doesn’t want to come across as a creep.

Especially nowadays when that can cost him his career.

This fear isn’t anything new, it’s just been massively exacerbated by the #MeToo movement.

While it’s annoying a seemingly distressingly high number (in my experience) of men don’t seem to understand what it’s about, the way to react to isn’t shit like I’m seeing in this thread.

I’m not talking about these those “just asking question” fucks. I’m talking about men that are fucking clueless about affirmative consent, social cues, and what does and does not constitute acceptable behaviour - the guys that don’t actually know any better because this is the first time they’re seeing men being held accountable for their behaviour towards women.

Holding abusers and creeps accountable is only part of the solution. To make lasting change there’s needs to be more beyond the outing and shaming of predators. The world isn’t gonna run out of men like that any time soon.
 

Mighty Chin

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User Banned (1 Week): Dismissing misogyny, derailing thread with complaints about moderation, history of drive-by posts and victim blaming in threads about sexual assault accusations.
Jeez look at that reason for someone getting banned up above. Ridiculous.
 

GeoMack

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What men have this anxiety?

Like, I'd totally understand if you were accused of rape multiple times and you never did, but I guarantee you this hasn't happened to you.
I'm not saying it's rational to have those fears, but anxiety rarely is. As for the men who have it, many millions do, just like tons of other phobias.
 

Pein

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What men have this anxiety?

Like, I'd totally understand if you were accused of rape multiple times and you never did, but I guarantee you this hasn't happened to you.
You’re not careful how you approach people without looking like a creep? I think about it all the time. I have super bad anxiety and apologize a lot because I always think I’m bothering someone. A bunch of girls have told me to stop being so worried and saying sorry anytime I hit them up.

Some girl came by house multiple times and got into bed with me and I didn’t make a move because I didn’t want mixed signals. Im awkward and have anxiety and over think things, I don’t believe I can be the only one.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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You’re not careful how you approach people without looking like a creep? I think about it all the time. I have super bad anxiety and apologize a lot because I always think I’m bothering someone. A bunch of girls have told me to stop being so worried and saying sorry anytime I hit them up.

Some girl came by house multiple times and got into bed with me and I didn’t make a move because I didn’t want mixed signals. Im awkward and have anxiety and over think things, I don’t believe I can be the only one.
I don't act like a creep so....

Isn't hard. A woman isn't gonna call you a creep for being nervous. She may not be into nervous types but I think it's quite fair to say they can discern between creepy and not creepy.
 

excelsiorlef

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Doesn't mean he is guilty though, which is my point, if different people accuse you I may understand
You said he was proven innocent.

He also you know was engaging in drug activity and getting himself in situations with minors or very near minors.... that reflect poorly.

On top of him not being well liked behind the scenes.

They're multiple reasons they opted to fire him.
 

Ketch

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There's still the overreaction with the "but I don't want to go jail bit" which demonstrates it's more than just a word choice and an overall irrational line of thought.
You don't go to jail for creep
I don’t want to get into the position where I am defending this dude, because I don’t know him or care. I do agree that it’s at least a paranoid chain of thought from him but I’m not going to pretend to know what he meant or how he thinks.

I will just say that to me, it’s easy to see how the public deconstruction/analysis of this very statement would fuel paranoid thoughts
 

Strelok

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You said he was proven innocent.

He also you know was engaging in drug activity and getting himself in situations with minors or very near minors.... that reflect poorly.

On top of him not being well liked behind the scenes.

They're multiple reasons they opted to fire him.
Sure, he may be a rapist, dealer or something, I was just saying that people shouldn't attack someone early when everything could be false and there's no evidence or witnesses, it is a permanent stain, even if proven innocent
 

pauloshinobi

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I think I get the concern of wanting to approach a lady, but turning out to accidentally create a displeasing situation / ending up being creepy due to lack of social skill, but boy oh boy his statements are quite a disastrous
 

Wazzy

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He is such a creep and he can fuck off with acting like men are victims from the #MeToo movement. It must be nice that his only fear is about flirting with women meanwhile we have to be worried of every interaction involving men.

Also I still think he is a creep for dating a 19yr old.
 

Siggy-P

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Way I see it there's two ways to read what he said.

The first way is what i assume (or more acurately "hope") he meant but was just too stupid to say properly which is that he's worried about coming across as a creep. That's completely irrational of him, though I must admit if I worked in an industry going through a massive harassment scandal I'd probably watch what I was doing and saying. Still it's rare enough to be a non-issue and he shouldn't be worried about that.

The second, and more direct way of reading it, is that he think's a lot of victims are liars and that because he's a relatively well-known celebrity he'll be falsely accused of something (in this way of reading it we assume he meant being accused of being a "rapist" litteraly, rather than just an exaguration of coming across as a creep) for just talking to a woman and says a lot about how he views women and the #metoo movement, which is pretty unforgivable if that's what he truly meant. It would also say a lot as well that what he views as courtship could be misinterpreted as rape.
 
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Morrigan

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"I understand how he feels. False accusations are so scary and can be career-ending!", they say. But, are they?

How many actual real-life examples do we have of famous men having their "careers ruined" by provenly false* accusations?

How many actual real-life examples do we have of famous men NOT having their careers ruined, and in fact, getting away with everything they did for years and years, by non-false accusations?

* Note, "not enough evidence to go to trial" isn't the same as "false"
 

mael

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The accusations are so career ending it took over 30 years and nearly a hundred women to take out Bill Cosby!
Like in what reality people are living that 1 accusation is the end of the world?

Doesn't mean he is guilty though, which is my point, if different people accuse you I may understand
So if I get this right we should only be wary of idiots who leave enough trails to be prosecuted and serial abusers?
 

Hassel

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It would be interesting to see if may of the dog pile posters in this thread would pass each others purity tests or even their own. I think not.
 

Francesco

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It's a problem even if it's hyperbole.

My post explained why, yet you responded with "but it's just hyperbole".

Here:



So yeh, please read my posts properly before you reply to them. It clearly explains why the line you wrote quoted above is rubbish.
I literally answered you, you just don’t see it.
 

mael

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It would be interesting to see if may of the dog pile posters in this thread would pass each others purity tests or even their own. I think not.
Being decent to people is a "purity test"?
Sometimes I wonder if some people haven't been raised by wolves...
And I say wolves I should really mean parasites, like actual parasites that feed off hosts.
 
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You can wait for the investigation or whatever to be over before condemning someone. I believe it is Enzo Amore who was accused, lost his job, and then the story was proven false. You can listen to the victim without condemning the dude immediately
Other shit aside Enzo was never fired due to the accusation or fallout from the case. He got fired for not telling his company about it because he knew he would have been placed on leave until the case was fully processed when they were building a division around him.

I mean, if think men's lives being ruined due to false rape allegations when they're never judge as guilty by the criminal justice system is a really common thing then you must have more evidence/examples than Enzo? Because I think of a whole bunch of male celebs who've clearly been guilty of abusing women who're still doing pretty well for themselves from Chris Brown to Polanski to Trump to fucking Issei Sagawa.
 
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TheDave545

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This forum is another level, if you actually read what he's saying it's about potentially being falsely accused of doing something he didn't do just because he's a man in the spotlight, if I was famous I'd avoid women like the plague, all it would take is one woman to be turned down or had a few dates and decided it doesn't feel right for a woman who is slightly crazy to lose her shit (I'm not talking about all women so don't try and start some debate on this) all because a famous person turned her down, and in the current climate it's not a bad thing.

Just like feminism, most feminists are decent people that are fighting for equal rights between men and women and absolutely deserve it, and yet you'll have that small minority that brings Feminism a bad name.
 

El Bombastico

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This forum is another level, if you actually read what he's saying it's about potentially being falsely accused of doing something he didn't do just because he's a man in the spotlight, if I was famous I'd avoid women like the plague, all it would take is one woman to be turned down or had a few dates and decided it doesn't feel right for a woman who is slightly crazy to lose her shit (I'm not talking about all women so don't try and start some debate on this) all because a famous person turned her down, and in the current climate it's not a bad thing.

Just like feminism, most feminists are decent people that are fighting for equal rights between men and women and absolutely deserve it, and yet you'll have that small minority that brings Feminism a bad name.
Oh look, another one.

Edit: I hope it was worth it.
 
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Strelok

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The accusations are so career ending it took over 30 years and nearly a hundred women to take out Bill Cosby!
Like in what reality people are living that 1 accusation is the end of the world?


So if I get this right we should only be wary of idiots who leave enough trails to be prosecuted and serial abusers?
No, I'm not talking about being wary, but condemning them you have the right to be suspicious but there' a reason why we have trials and the justice sysyem is the way it is
 

Chuck Noblet

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This forum is another level, if you actually read what he's saying it's about potentially being falsely accused of doing something he didn't do just because he's a man in the spotlight, if I was famous I'd avoid women like the plague, all it would take is one woman to be turned down or had a few dates and decided it doesn't feel right for a woman who is slightly crazy to lose her shit (I'm not talking about all women so don't try and start some debate on this) all because a famous person turned her down, and in the current climate it's not a bad thing.

Just like feminism, most feminists are decent people that are fighting for equal rights between men and women and absolutely deserve it, and yet you'll have that small minority that brings Feminism a bad name.
Yikes. Some how this thread keeps getting worse. Surprised it hasn't been locked tbh. That sea of bans is gonna keep growing.
 

Netherscourge

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This forum is another level, if you actually read what he's saying it's about potentially being falsely accused of doing something he didn't do just because he's a man in the spotlight, if I was famous I'd avoid women like the plague, all it would take is one woman to be turned down or had a few dates and decided it doesn't feel right for a woman who is slightly crazy to lose her shit (I'm not talking about all women so don't try and start some debate on this) all because a famous person turned her down, and in the current climate it's not a bad thing.

Just like feminism, most feminists are decent people that are fighting for equal rights between men and women and absolutely deserve it, and yet you'll have that small minority that brings Feminism a bad name.
OOOOOOKEEDOKEEEE
 

Strelok

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Other shit aside Enzo was never fired due to the accusation or fallout from the case. He got fired for not telling his company about it because he knew he would have been placed on leave until the case was fully processed when they were building a division around him?

I mean, if think men's lives being ruined due to false rape allegations when they're never judge as guilty by the criminal justice system is a really common thing then you must have more evidence/examples than Enzo? Because I think of a whole bunch of male celebs who've clearly been guilty of abusing women who're still doing pretty well for themselves from Chris Brown to Trump to fucking Issei Sagawa.
Brown was condemned, his fan chose to let it go, it's different, and I believe Trump's cases are still ongoing
 

mael

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No, I'm not talking about being wary, but condemning them you have the right to be suspicious but there' a reason why we have trials and the justice sysyem is the way it is
Justice system is the way it is because lawmakers want to curtail behavior and the judges are there to make sure laws are respected.
It's neither perfect by design or in practice.
That it takes dozens of victims to make famous serial abusers fall is something straight out of the onion.
Someone like Weinstein is STILL not in jail after decades of abuse, to claim that the justice system is doing anything close to justice is baffling, might as well claim the EPA is currently protecting the environment.
 

Rover

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This forum is another level, if you actually read what he's saying it's about potentially being falsely accused of doing something he didn't do just because he's a man in the spotlight, if I was famous I'd avoid women like the plague, all it would take is one woman to be turned down or had a few dates and decided it doesn't feel right for a woman who is slightly crazy to lose her shit (I'm not talking about all women so don't try and start some debate on this) all because a famous person turned her down, and in the current climate it's not a bad thing.

Just like feminism, most feminists are decent people that are fighting for equal rights between men and women and absolutely deserve it, and yet you'll have that small minority that brings Feminism a bad name.
This is not at all what he said in that interview, lol.
 
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Brown was condemned, his fan chose to let it go, it's different, and I believe Trump's cases are still ongoing
You're avoiding my question. You've failed to mention any many who've had their lives ruined by accusations judged as false despite the fact it's something men should be worried about, surely if it was a real concern you'd be able to mention other people off of the top of your head? As you didn't it looks like you built your entire view over a case you didn't understand or research that doesn't hold up at all, whilst at the same time it's easy for me to come up with fucking lists of men who've abused women and haven't had their lives destroyed?

Can you not see the issue with your line of thought and how it's biased? Even looking into studies outside of the celebrity world it's hard to find examples of accusations that didn't result in convictions having hugely negative effects on men's lives, outside of if they have mental health issues.

ot astounds me that the kind of people who cry about unreported rapes being highly overestimated (usually based off of misreading/misunderstanding and misrepresenting this one study) are the same crowd who'll point to how rape accusations that don't lead to convictions objectivly ruin men's lives with no data outside of a few anecdotes.
 
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Slayven

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Not sure if this was posted but this is directly from his manager:







I see Henry as one of the good guys (I know that could have been said for many that have been accused of allegations) but personally, I don't think he's a bad guy.
Wait what? Dude you said the words........
 

cebri

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Not a good statement

Women are not out trying to falsely accuse men and destroy them, they just want their fucking safety and privacy. If she says no, don't fucking chase her, Cavill
Some of them apparently do:

Man ‘falsely accused of rape’ says he’s ‘too afraid’ to go anywhere alone
https://metro.co.uk/2018/04/16/man-false

My case is tip of iceberg, says man falsely accused of rape
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/964925/rape-allegations-jail-police-fails-to-disclose-evidence-robert-adlington

Met Police apologise to 22-year-old man falsely accused of rape after failing to disclose crucial text messages
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/liam-allan-met-police-rape-accusation-false-evidence-disclosure-arrest-mistake-detectives-a8184916.html

False rape accusation 'destroyed life' of Surrey man
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-surrey-11676804