did anybody see that left vs right live stream it was a shitshow and not a fun one either
Just began to watch Destiny's content lately and although it's clear that he might have some controversial views on things, the truth is that he's probably one of the best debaters against the alt right and I believe we need more people doing what he's doing, not less.
Yes, makes me wonder about the whole deplatforming/ marketplace of ideas debate because, while I definitely think Nazis should not be given any chance to promote themselves, having them look so helplessly stupid in a debate in front of their own audience is probably the best way to let their shit ideology stop from spreading too far.Also been consuming alot of Destiny's content and he definitely has some shit I don't agree with but damn hes good at debating and breaking down a fascist/alt right argument.
That sounds good in theory, but I think you underestimate how skewed someone's perspective can be if they already agree with their opinions and viewpoints. You see it as the nazis/alt-right "looking helplessly stupid", but the people who agree with them see it as them "owning the libs/SJWs". That's how differently two people can see the exact same interaction based on where they already stand. So the same debates that you see as exposing the far right to their supporters as being clueless, their supporters often see as confirmation that the far right owns the left/moderates with facts and logic. I've had this confirmed time and time again by video comments sections.while I definitely think Nazis should not be given any chance to promote themselves, having them look so helplessly stupid in a debate in front of their own audience is probably the best way to let their shit ideology stop from spreading too far.
That sounds good in theory, but I think you underestimate how skewed someone's perspective can be if they already agree with their opinions and viewpoints. You see it as the nazis/alt-right "looking helplessly stupid", but the people who agree with them see it as them "owning the libs/SJWs". That's how differently two people can see the exact same interaction based on where they already stand. So the same debates that you see as exposing the far right to their supporters as being clueless, their supporters often see as confirmation that the far right owns the left/moderates with facts and logic. I've had this confirmed time and time again by video comments sections.
That sounds good in theory, but I think you underestimate how skewed someone's perspective can be if they already agree with their opinions and viewpoints. You see it as the nazis/alt-right "looking helplessly stupid", but the people who agree with them see it as them "owning the libs/SJWs". That's how differently two people can see the exact same interaction based on where they already stand. So the same debates that you see as exposing the far right to their supporters as being clueless, their supporters often see as confirmation that the far right owns the left/moderates with facts and logic. I've had this confirmed time and time again by video comments sections.
Yup, in the debates Trump literally was red in anger and ripped his notes after in frustration and I still saw "Trump DESTROYED her!"
That's because Trump knows how to talk like he is right.
A publication a month after the election decided to try a small experiment where an audience would listen to a debate using Trump style argumentation and posturing versus Hillary's style and the audience felt the arguments made with Trump style were better.
They even decided to go all in and use the actual debate material Trump and Hillary used themselves and the effect held.
Trump is an idiot in many ways but he isn't a good conman purely on his wealth. He had better people skills than Hillary which greatly helps with all of his past and current con schemes.
Yes, makes me wonder about the whole deplatforming/ marketplace of ideas debate because, while I definitely think Nazis should not be given any chance to promote themselves, having them look so helplessly stupid in a debate in front of their own audience is probably the best way to let their shit ideology stop from spreading too far.
I guess I'm totally fine with companies like YouTube and Twitter deplatforming bigots based on their content but also ok with other people debating their ideas on platforms or channels not of their own ad long as the debate is fair.
Btw, I laughed so hard at this debate here
This IS true, but... and Steven mentions this regularly... with any debate you can assume a roughly 50/50 split in the audience in regard to who they came to watch. 40/50 on each side will not change their opinions at all from the start of the debate to the end. They're there to watch their guy "wreck" the other. But it's the 20% in the middle that can be swayed one way or the other. Steven has said that, putting aside his goal of trying to be "the most right," another goal is to bring as much of that 20% to his line of thinking as he can, and he does that by staying fairly calm (or trying to anyway), refusing to accept non-answers, and pushing not for a specific position but for using more critical thinking as a whole. If that middle 20% can be swayed to broach these topics in a similar way, they're far more likely to agree with his positions on a lot of things.That sounds good in theory, but I think you underestimate how skewed someone's perspective can be if they already agree with their opinions and viewpoints. You see it as the nazis/alt-right "looking helplessly stupid", but the people who agree with them see it as them "owning the libs/SJWs". That's how differently two people can see the exact same interaction based on where they already stand. So the same debates that you see as exposing the far right to their supporters as being clueless, their supporters often see as confirmation that the far right owns the left/moderates with facts and logic. I've had this confirmed time and time again by video comments sections.
So, you guys know that alt-right YouTube called the quartering? He decided to "debate" Destiny and it didn't go too well for him lol
So, you guys know that alt-right YouTube called the quartering? He decided to "debate" Destiny and it didn't go too well for him lol
Maybe I'll try Hasan one day but what I saw from TYT I never enjoyed. Does he also debate alt righters? What I really really dislike about something like the minority report is how it's all just about preaching to the choir and picking on low hanging fruit, just commenting on a video and making fun of the latest GOP shit show. I mean, I guess that is funny sometimes but it gets tiring really soon.For any fans of Destiny you should also check out Hasan Piker, or Hasanabi on Twitch. Less edgy, less of a dick and funnier.
Maybe I'll try Hasan one day but what I saw from TYT I never enjoyed. Does he also debate alt righters? What I really really dislike about something like the minority report is how it's all just about preaching to the choir and picking on low hanging fruit, just commenting on a video and making fun of the latest GOP shit show. I mean, I guess that is funny sometimes but it gets tiring really soon.
I hope more left wing people up their game and emulate Destiny in this regard. What I would give to see destiny debate Rubin btw lol
Yeah, wonder that too. Also, the fact he sometimes is able to play videogames competently while completely engaged in a conversation blows my mind too, lolHe does, but not as often as Destiny. He (often) gets highly triggered by his chat and demands they come on to debate him but they rarely do. He does a lot of watching content (both left and right leaning) and will disseminate why they're right or wrong so if that isn't your thing then he maybe isn't for you but I'd say he's definitely worth a shot.
He's recently started doing some more game streams and honestly, him RPing his way through Papers Please and Wolfenstein is some of the most entertaining streaming I've ever seen. Fucking hilarious.
I'd love to know where Destiny learned his technique from. He's SO good at it you'd think he was like a Harvard grad-level debate champion but from what I know his background isn't like that at all. It's just weird he seems to be one of the few truly capable people at doing it, while other lefties often are far too quick to fall into the alt-right trap and end up looking foolish.
IMaybe I'll try Hasan one day but what I saw from TYT I never enjoyed. Does he also debate alt righters? What I really really dislike about something like the minority report is how it's all just about preaching to the choir and picking on low hanging fruit, just commenting on a video and making fun of the latest GOP shit show. I mean, I guess that is funny sometimes but it gets tiring really soon.
I hope more left wing people up their game and emulate Destiny in this regard. What I would give to see destiny debate Rubin btw lol
Yeah Hasan is great but he's not that good of a debaterHe does, but not as often as Destiny. He (often) gets highly triggered by his chat and demands they come on to debate him but they rarely do. He does a lot of watching content (both left and right leaning) and will disseminate why they're right or wrong so if that isn't your thing then he maybe isn't for you but I'd say he's definitely worth a shot.
He's recently started doing some more game streams and honestly, him RPing his way through Papers Please and Wolfenstein is some of the most entertaining streaming I've ever seen. Fucking hilarious.
I'd love to know where Destiny learned his technique from. He's SO good at it you'd think he was like a Harvard grad-level debate champion but from what I know his background isn't like that at all. It's just weird he seems to be one of the few truly capable people at doing it, while other lefties often are far too quick to fall into the alt-right trap and end up looking foolish.
hasan is great but he does not post as much on YTMaybe I'll try Hasan one day but what I saw from TYT I never enjoyed. Does he also debate alt righters? What I really really dislike about something like the minority report is how it's all just about preaching to the choir and picking on low hanging fruit, just commenting on a video and making fun of the latest GOP shit show. I mean, I guess that is funny sometimes but it gets tiring really soon.
I hope more left wing people up their game and emulate Destiny in this regard. What I would give to see destiny debate Rubin btw lol
Hes an edge lord asshole because he spoiled GoT/Endgame?And today (though technically yesterday), Destiny once again reminds us how despite the good he does in these debates, he is still an edgelord asshole.
Don't look at his twitter if you haven't watched both Endgame and the latest GoT episode.
I don't know, it shows he doesn't give a fuck about anyone else. It's a trait far too many have, and lines up exactly with his political stancesHes an edge lord asshole because he spoiled GoT/Endgame?
I mean, I'm not saying he isnt, but that's an odd thing to be mad over in a thread about his politics
I don't know, it shows he doesn't give a fuck about anyone else. It's a trait far too many have, and lines up exactly with his political stances
Being utilitarian. He doesn't actually care for minorities etc, he's just going along as it's a net benefit. As soon as he doesn't see it that way I feel he'd happily turn his ire elsewhere
Being utilitarian. He doesn't actually care for minorities etc, he's just going along as it's a net benefit. As soon as he doesn't see it that way I feel he'd happily turn his ire elsewhere
Sorry, I'm struggling to make my point - he doesn't give a fuck about other people (and he is a provocateur) - his only interest in what may align with progressive ideals is due to it being good for him, and by extension society.So he spoiled Endgame/GoT because it provides a net benefit to society and he doesn't care about minorities...?
Sorry, I'm struggling to make my point - he doesn't give a fuck about other people (and he is a provocateur) - his only interest in what may align with progressive ideals is due to it being good for him, and by extension society.
Him being happy to spoil things for other people supports that, he doesn't act out of empathy or kindness, he acts as he deems fit and is unapologetic regarding that.
Why did I open my mouth? I really don't care about this guy
He's a dick. It's no deeper than that.I am still failing to see the connection between spoiling Endgame/GoT and that benefiting society/himself or him not really caring about minorities.
I'm referencing his banned post here, where he says he don't give a fuck about minorities or progressive ideas. I'm extrapolating that (and his proclivity for being a provocateur) to make a comment regarding his spoiling stuff for people. It ain't that deep
yep peak centrism "it's not my fault that i make bigoted jokes and my fanbase is full of bigots"
yep peak centrism "it's not my fault that i make bigoted jokes and my fanbase is full of bigots"
By all means disagree. To me it's a clear pattern, but I can certainly agree that the way I've put across my point isn't great.It's not deep because they are so unrelated that it is completely absurd to try and connect the two.
Last month I began to realize that white nationalism is a smoke screen because certain members clearly want to subjugate other white people and there is increasingly more evidence of this as I pay more attention to it.
He likes to use that as a rhetorical device in framing his arguments, but I'm really not sure it's true. For example, I think the angriest I ever see him get is at comments by racists/bigots, and he will use such terms "racist" as an attack/insult against those people.I'm referencing his banned post here, where he says he don't give a fuck about minorities or progressive ideas. I'm extrapolating that (and his proclivity for being a provocateur) to make a comment regarding his spoiling stuff for people. It ain't that deep
There is a clear reason. The facists see themselves as Little Finger but that they are smart enough not to lose their place on the ladder.Fascism is like the eye of the storm from Fortnite. There's no rhyme or reason to it, the only constant is that it has you in the middle.
Until of course it doesn't.