Hillary Clinton: Europe must curb immigration to stop rightwing populists

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People have been criticizing Hillary for years but they’d get shouted down as being sexist (similar to how Auto tried to say that yelling back YAAAS QUEEEEN was a homophobic dog whistle) or influenced by the right-wing media. That effectively shut the conversation down. It’s only now that these criticisms are being heard and taken seriously.
I'm going to blow your mind, but it's possible to be objectively critical of anyone, including Hillary Clinton — especially her, since she's had such a long and public career, mired in both legitimate and illegitimately manufactured controversy — while recognizing that much of the criticism of her and people like Nancy Pelosi is influenced in large or small part by Republicans' multi-decade propaganda campaigns against them. Those began because said women were talented and dangerous to Republican agenda, but crucially were successful because of our society's propensity to fall prey to sexism.

The incessant cavalcade of drive-bys that accompanies any thread about a female politician, Hillary or not, is rooted in sexism. The rhetoric of "go away" is sexism, because it isn't mirrored against male presidential candidates. Regardless of whether you agree with Autodidact's position on "YAAAS QUEEN!" (which IMO is indisputably rooted in LGBT pop culture, and thus has homophobic connotation), such posts are low effort drive-bys that are unproductive.

Generally, when there are things to be objectively critical of Hillary on, even her supporters do so. This thread is a prime example of that. It just so happens that there a bunch of other threads for news about her that are predicated on misquotations, deliberately misunderstanding her, sexist rhetoric, etc.
 

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Why can't more countries just do what Canada does and use a points system? I haven't heard anyone calling Canada a monstrous country but when that idea gets floated around in the States its spoken of as the worst thing that could possibly happen to this country.
Canada can get away with it because you can't get to Canada easily by land. You either fly in or have to go through the US (and as an immigrant if you can get to the US you'll probably end up staying there). Flying into Canada is going to be prohibitively expensive, plus you'll likely need a travel visa before they'll let you in anyhow.
 
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You were so quick to call out Bernie for racism (rightfully) but you’re hedging here based on some abstract principles of politics (which don’t event fucking apply because she isn’t in any position of power here or in Europe).

Just call it racism. That’s what this is. It’s not “being bad at politics”.
racism is only worthy of outrage when poor and uneducated people engage in it, or when a politician I really, really hate says bad and problematic things about it
 

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This thread stopped being about the comments and has been about posters sniping at each other for a while now, as such it has been locked.
 
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