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Hillary Clinton: Europe must curb immigration to stop rightwing populists
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Yeah, can't be down with this at all. That's completely the wrong answer.
The political left will hate this, and rightly so, because it's a complete abdication of duty and moral responsibility just to try and make racists and the like happy.
However, that's just the thing. The political right and racists and the like will also hate this. Because it will never be enough. You propose limiting immigration, they propose limiting it more. You limit it even more than that, and they limit it even further. You go all the way of stopping immigration entirely, they switch to talking about stripping away rights from previous immigrants instead. Etc. You can't out racist racists and not only is it wrong to try but completely pointless, because it will never be enough and the goalposts will always be moved.
You'd think being a part of the Obama administration and seeing what Republicans were pulling in Congress, and then, you know, everything to do with Trump would teach her these things, but I guess that's not the case after all.
But either way, the point being, not only is that answer morally wrong, but it makes neither camp happy at all and is doomed to failure because if you try it you'll neither be motivating your own base to turn out or actually giving anywhere near enough to appease the other guys and get them on your own side. There's just nothing there, at all.
Extremely disappointing answer.
The political left will hate this, and rightly so, because it's a complete abdication of duty and moral responsibility just to try and make racists and the like happy.
However, that's just the thing. The political right and racists and the like will also hate this. Because it will never be enough. You propose limiting immigration, they propose limiting it more. You limit it even more than that, and they limit it even further. You go all the way of stopping immigration entirely, they switch to talking about stripping away rights from previous immigrants instead. Etc. You can't out racist racists and not only is it wrong to try but completely pointless, because it will never be enough and the goalposts will always be moved.
You'd think being a part of the Obama administration and seeing what Republicans were pulling in Congress, and then, you know, everything to do with Trump would teach her these things, but I guess that's not the case after all.
But either way, the point being, not only is that answer morally wrong, but it makes neither camp happy at all and is doomed to failure because if you try it you'll neither be motivating your own base to turn out or actually giving anywhere near enough to appease the other guys and get them on your own side. There's just nothing there, at all.
Extremely disappointing answer.
They are. Somehow this isn't an "ism" or a centrist giving fascists what they want, it's just a bad lapse of judgment. Also, we're sexist or something.
I have called it out. I also understand why you end up making these concessions in places like Germany or Vermont, or the US as a whole. But how you frame them and what they actually are matters. Im super liberal on this personally- but the chances of my preferred policy getting enacted in full are like 0% because the swing voters are a problem.
These arent abstract principles, its a pattern of political behavior we see repeat throughout history.
I think what they're getting at is that a lot of the people who criticized Hillary were implied or outright called sexist for criticizing her.
Sure Hillary, lets appease the racists and xenophobes. That will surely work to quell their growth and totally won't legitimize their movement at all...
This is so dumb.
This is so dumb.
Pretty much. It was the go to argument for years when people weren't being like that whatsoever.
A lot of them were sexist?
I think what they're getting at is that they personally feel aggrieved about some particular interaction they had.
That's very unfortunate but it doesn't justify trolling threads with passive-aggressive complaints about your personal grievances, regardless of how commonplace that behavior has become among some posters here!
Does anyone here have an immigration answer that isn't let everyone go anywhere whenever they want? You have to understand that viewpoint is a non-starter.
I'm going to blow your mind, but it's possible to be objectively critical of anyone, including Hillary Clinton — especially her, since she's had such a long and public career, mired in both legitimate and illegitimately manufactured controversy — while recognizing that much of the criticism of her and people like Nancy Pelosi is influenced in large or small part by Republicans' multi-decade propaganda campaigns against them. Those began because said women were talented and dangerous to Republican agenda, but crucially were successful because of our society's propensity to fall prey to sexism.
The incessant cavalcade of drive-bys that accompanies any thread about a female politician, Hillary or not, is rooted in sexism. The rhetoric of "go away" is sexism, because it isn't mirrored against male presidential candidates. Regardless of whether you agree with Autodidact's position on "YAAAS QUEEN!" (which IMO is indisputably rooted in LGBT pop culture, and thus has homophobic connotation), such posts are low effort drive-bys that are unproductive.
Generally, when there are things to be objectively critical of Hillary on, even her supporters do so. This thread is a prime example of that. It just so happens that there a bunch of other threads for news about her that are predicated on misquotations, deliberately misunderstanding her, sexist rhetoric, etc.
Canada can get away with it because you can't get to Canada easily by land. You either fly in or have to go through the US (and as an immigrant if you can get to the US you'll probably end up staying there). Flying into Canada is going to be prohibitively expensive, plus you'll likely need a travel visa before they'll let you in anyhow.
racism is only worthy of outrage when poor and uneducated people engage in it, or when a politician I really, really hate says bad and problematic things about it
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