Judging by the responses in this thread, HRC is doomed no matter what she does. Y'all need to get over it. If she were a white man she would not get this amount of hate. Pathetic.
There's a reason why George Bush stays mostly in hiding.
Judging by the responses in this thread, HRC is doomed no matter what she does. Y'all need to get over it. If she were a white man she would not get this amount of hate. Pathetic.
Did HRC start a war?
Came for this.
Howard Stern is, obviously.Can this lady just fuck off already?
Who's asking for these interviews?
And even with just his initial post, most of the reactions here are based on a completely disingenuous reading.
Howard Stern is, obviously.
My God, she occupies so much rental space in some of y'all's heads.
She is, or rather her publisher is, she is promoting a book.Can this lady just fuck off already?
Who's asking for these interviews?
Fuck, don't @ me with all of that shit, I can't tell if that is supposed to have a /s
The mental image of Hillary Clinton and George W. Bush chumming it up. Just two war criminals shooting the shit.where's the apology for the misery she inflicted on the people of Libya when she spearheaded that blatantly illegal military action
replies like the ones in this thread are why we got trump
thanks guys i'll share it with the locked up kids theyll understand
Seriously. What an asinine take "She would have been worse" is. My god.
As someone who dislikes her greatly, likes Bernie and supports leftist as allies this is a nuclear level take.
Our president literally thinks himself above the law. Hillary would have at least respected norms and not just walked over things like
Not leaving Paris accords
Not fucking up Trade and economics with our allies and the world
Not throwing children in cages
Not strengthening facism and Nazis
Not trying to ban Muslims from America
Not trying to silence LGBTQ
Not trying to legitimize conspiracy theories
Not befriending and aiding people like NK, Russia and just straight up letting SA kill journalists
Not going full throated corruption and nepotism to the point we have an inexperienced manish boy somehow trying for world peace
Not putting ancient white men/Evangelical nutters in our courts
Not strengthening facism and Nazis
Not trying to gang press and strong arm our allies
Not openly pardening war criminals
Not openly questioning and trying to delegitimize our own democracy
Not going on Twitter and whining about every little thing
Not trying to suppress the press
Not trying to suppress her own citizens
Not trying to invite violence against her own people
Not gaslighting them over every little thing
Not acting like a child on the world stage
Not enaging in a level of corruption that would make President Grant blush
Not selling our military wholesale like a PMC
Not fucking saying Nazis are good people
NOT GOING FULL FACISM
But yes, we had a non zero chance of maybe a war happening somewhere. Unlike Trump who is doing all of that, and selling weapons to bad people to go kill more people. But at least he didn't go to war with Iran even though it was OBAMA and their I'll who signed the treaty with Iran and Hillary supported that.
Yes, clearly Hillary would have been just as bad as Trump.
I too live in a society.
Many of those kids came from countries whose governments were destabilized by Clinton's actions as Secretary of State. She's not completely absolved of this either.
replies like the ones in this thread are why we got trump
thanks guys i'll share it with the locked up kids theyll understand
There's definitely a reason why we got Trump.They we're one of Trumps best allies during the Republican Primaries
They actively sought to triangulate their own actions in a way that would harm other candidates and benefit Donald Trump
So to take Bush down, Clinton's team drew up a plan to pump Trump up. Shortly after her kickoff, top aides organized a strategy call, whose agendaincluded a memo to the Democratic National Committee: "This memo is intended to outline the strategy and goals a potential Hillary Clinton presidential campaign would have regarding the 2016 Republican presidential field," it read.
"The variety of candidates is a positive here, and many of the lesser known can serve as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right. In this scenario, we don't want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more 'Pied Piper' candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party," read the memo.
"Pied Piper candidates include, but aren't limited to:
• Ted Cruz
• Donald Trump
• Ben Carson
We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to [take] them seriously. "
Clinton's team in Brooklyn was delightedly puzzled by Trump's shift into the pole position that July after attacking John McCain by declaring, "I like people who weren't captured."
Eleven days after those comments about McCain, Clinton aides sought to push the plan even further: An agenda item for top aides' message planning meeting read, "How do we prevent Bush from bettering himself/how do we maximize Trump and others?"
In fact, Mook took him so seriously that his team's internal, if informal, guidance was to hold fire on Trump during the primary and resist the urge to distribute any of the opposition research the Democrats were scrambling to amass against him. That hoarding plan remained in place deep into 2016...
when Cruz and Trump emerged as pack leaders, and Podesta was telling fundraisers in closed-door meetings that he thought the Texan would win—that the team realized it was not prepared, strategically or tactically, for what many saw as a dream scenario.
If Trump was going to stay competitive, a rethink would soon be needed.
They Always Wanted Trump
Inside Team Clinton’s year-long struggle to find a strategy against the opponent they were most eager to face.www.politico.com
im not saying shes good, but theres a reason why she was the candidate in 2016. Blame americans for not putting forward someone like bernie.
equalizing trump and clinton is why we got mickey mouse write in votes in 2016.
TheHunter put the effort into explaining the issue with this comparison
There can be a problem with both, but as a candidate you aren't doing any favors by signal boosting someone terrible in an attempt to make yourself look better. That's just dishonest, and maybe a part of why some people became apathetic.Ok, the problem with this is it was still America who voted him in.
The problem is always with the electorate in a democracy.
And the electorate ran with "Both Sides".
I definitely get that feeling as a Western European when I look at US culture in general. It's also starting to get hold over here, sadly.The issue for the American people is soo much of the population lap it up cheering on and waving banners for rich people who don't really give two fucks about changing the status quo of America.
We got Trump because of many reasons. Racism, sexism, Clinton running a shit campaign in the rust belt, ect. Equating the two was minor when you consider the majority of Bernie supporters voted for her in the general.
There can be a problem with both, but as a candidate you aren't doing any favors by signal boosting someone terrible in an attempt to make yourself look better. That's just dishonest, and maybe a part of why some people became apathetic.
Yes it's called racism.
I definitely get that feeling as a Western European when I look at US culture in general. It's also starting to get hold over here, sadly.
Socialism and leftist thought is on the rise with the youth.Of course, it is, the UK left is currently embroiled in American-like tactics of claiming Jeremy Corbyn isn't a good enough centrist and to bring us together we need to worry about Communism. But the UK is usually the first to career off a cliff edge into trying to be a mini-America.
Still, candidates like Corbyn are doing reasonably well with the youth and lifeblood of future generations, it's often the old people in the UK who routinely decide to fuck themselves and the country. The worrying thing I see in America is a lot of the youth, or young adults, going by Resetera's ages, have dived headfirst into lapping up Centrist American Democrat propaganda. You've skipped a few generations to your 50~60's and are already angry about keeping the status quo and not appearing to go "too far-left" into "Communist policies like healthcare for all". Or you know, ethical tax scaling where the rich don't just constantly get richer off the backs of inhumane poverty and borderline work-slavery.
I mean, last week when I seen Hillary and Chelsea Clinton were going to be on the Graham Norton show I didn't think "Oh great, left-wing American allies coming over to talk about how amazing the NHS is and that America is desperate for socialised healthcare for all, a better social security system and that the UK should vote for Jeremy Corbyn".
All I thought was, oh great, Hillary is over to moan about how 2016 was stolen from her and she's got a new book to sell. Says it all really.
I mean, I'm the person who will tell you to go with the Democratic candidate no matter what, because the alternative is simply more egoistic and evil, but I can agree that the US mainstream left is maybe slightly more left than the worst right wing party here in Switzerland. Bernie Sanders and AOC are what the US needs.All I thought was, oh great, Hillary is over to moan about how 2016 was stolen from her and she's got a new book to sell. Says it all really.
Seriously. What an asinine take "She would have been worse" is. My god.
Socialism and leftist thought is on the rise with the youth.
FYI.
I mean, I'm the person who will tell you to go with the Democratic candidate no matter what, because the alternative is simply more egoistic and evil, but I can agree that the US mainstream left is maybe slightly more left than the worst right wing party here in Switzerland. Bernie Sanders and AOC are what the US needs.
I mean the foreign policy ones would be. Like not tearing up the nuclear deal and leaving the Paris accords.I feel like nobody actually read that post?
It didn't say "she would have been a worse president", it said "her foreign policy had potential to be worse", which isn't countered by a laundry list of shit things Trump has done
I mean, those right wing parties are outright facists but sure.I mean, I'm the person who will tell you to go with the Democratic candidate no matter what, because the alternative is simply more egoistic and evil, but I can agree that the US mainstream left is maybe slightly more left than the worst right wing party here in Switzerland. Bernie Sanders and AOC are what the US needs.
This. Holy shit.Incredible post. Trump is about to be impeached and acquitted, damaging our republic and super powering the executive branch for the forever future, and you think her 'foreign affairs' positions would be worse? Why, because she wouldn't ask for help to cheat in elections? Maybe she'd not bomb others for personal favors! But what happens when someone doesn't play ball? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
What a post dripping with rose-tinted lunacy. And you're a fucking mod. This website continues to impress and sadden me simultaneously.
I mean, those right wing parties are outright facists but sure.
The Dem party as a whole occupied left of center period. Yes, that means even compared to "true lefty Europeans that also somehow lose their minds if the word Muslim immigrant is brought up".
The problem is the Senate and the EC that holds back the left in the US.
And the racism.
And even with just his initial post, most of the reactions here are based on a completely disingenuous reading.
Not sure if all the audio is available but the transcript seems to be.How can I listen to the interview?
And she should have done Stern back when she was running.
I also think about Puerto Rico.As someone who dislikes her greatly, likes Bernie and supports leftist as allies this is a nuclear level take.
Our president literally thinks himself above the law. Hillary would have at least respected norms and not just walked over things like
Not leaving Paris accords
Not fucking up Trade and economics with our allies and the world
Not throwing children in cages
Not strengthening facism and Nazis
Not trying to ban Muslims from America
Not trying to silence LGBTQ
Not trying to legitimize conspiracy theories
Not befriending and aiding people like NK, Russia and just straight up letting SA kill journalists
Not going full throated corruption and nepotism to the point we have an inexperienced manish boy somehow trying for world peace
Not putting ancient white men/Evangelical nutters in our courts
Not strengthening facism and Nazis
Not trying to gang press and strong arm our allies
Not openly pardening war criminals
Not openly questioning and trying to delegitimize our own democracy
Not going on Twitter and whining about every little thing
Not trying to suppress the press
Not trying to suppress her own citizens
Not trying to invite violence against her own people
Not gaslighting them over every little thing
Not acting like a child on the world stage
Not enaging in a level of corruption that would make President Grant blush
Not selling our military wholesale like a PMC
Not fucking saying Nazis are good people
NOT GOING FULL FACISM
But yes, we had a non zero chance of maybe a war happening somewhere. Unlike Trump who is doing all of that, and selling weapons to bad people to go kill more people. But at least he didn't go to war with Iran even though it was OBAMA and their I'll who signed the treaty with Iran and Hillary supported that.
Yes, clearly Hillary would have been just as bad as Trump.
I too live in a society.
I mean, it's cute to be appalled by my assertion because Trump is the one in power, but history proves that Hillary would've also supported the coups in Venezuela and Bolivia, and she would've also acted beat by beat the same way towards Saudi Arabia. She probably would've skipped the Jerusalem embassy debacle, but she would've still supported Israel at every turn just like him.
Iran, on the other hand... I wouldn't have wanted to see how she'd deal with that.
As a non-American who watched what the Clintons do abroad while in power with great personal interest, I stand by what I said.
From a UK persons perspective, I would say the Dems are Cameron Tories where as the May/Boris Tories are more aligned with the GOP.Every American Democrat is basically a Conservative, by British standards, except Bernie, you ain't changing my mind. Ain't the fault of the people the only decent choice is a fucking 110 year old with heart problems.
They are further right than the Cameron Tories but in no way shape or form are they anything close to the GOP despite how despicable they are.From a UK persons perspective, I would say the Dems are Cameron Tories where as the May/Boris Tories are more aligned with the GOP.
From a UK persons perspective, I would say the Dems are Cameron Tories where as the May/Boris Tories are more aligned with the GOP.