I think this is sound advice for life in general. If somebody starts with "I'm not racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic/a nazi/anti-Semitic/etc but...", I'm just going to walk away.When their post started with
"Look I'm by no means alt-right nor a trump supporter or Pro Gamergate/Anti SJW or whatever, but..."
I didn't bother with the rest.
No one at all was saying that every single person that worked on the game is a piece of shit. It's the fact that so many people have used that as a way to deflect or even gaslight when people bring up the boycott of the game.That's kinda just proof, I feel, that there's more than one designer working on the game and just because one of them is a horrible person doesn't mean they all are. Credit where it's due, that is a pretty fantastic option for the game to include. Still pretty confident I won't be getting the game as long as Rowling sees even a penny of my money, but this is the right thing to do and they definitely had to do it.
Regardless of the intention behind the decision (I do hope that it's truly because they believe in supporting the LGBT community, but it could very well be a marketing decision to offset the criticism regarding Rowling's views, and Levity' sad well), it's a good thing that they pushed for this and they were able to implement it, if this is truly happening.
There are for sure multiple designers, and multiple lead designers as well. That happens in every AAA game. For example, there's lead level designer, lead gameplay designer, there might be leads for specific areas (mini-games, combat, etc). Above them all there's the creative director.That's kinda just proof, I feel, that there's more than one designer working on the game and just because one of them is a horrible person doesn't mean they all are. Credit where it's due, that is a pretty fantastic option for the game to include. Still pretty confident I won't be getting the game as long as Rowling sees even a penny of my money, but this is the right thing to do and they definitely had to do it.
No one at all was saying that every single person that worked on the game is a piece of shit. It's the fact that so many people have used that as a way to deflect or even gaslight when people bring up the boycott of the game.
Not going to change my stance on the game, but good on some of the devs at least.
I wasn't coming at you or accusing you specifically of doing that, just pointing out that especially earlier in this thread and in the other Hogwarts threads, it happened way too much. This is a good thing to see, but makes me concerned now that some people are going to use it as a scapegoat to say that the game is fine to get and that people overreacted. Again not you, but I was just thinking about it.Why are you coming at me so aggressively? I haven't accused anyone of ever saying anything like that, so I'd rather you didn't start accusing me of deflecting criticisms or gaslighting people. I know what it's like to be gaslit and it's a horrible thing for anyone to go through so you should be more careful about who you accuse of what.
The irony of this will be that the royalties and/or influence JK will be leveraging from this bit of much needed inclusionary feature in the title and the goodwill it will generate, will very likely go towards perpetuating more anti-trans rhetoric and pushing for anti-trans policies through her socio-political clout.
I was gonna say, I have zero interest in getting this but hearing that there was a direct counter to the fact of Rowling's potential profits by a donation to charity would make me feel much better about its existenceWarner Bros. should, at the very least, match Rowling's royalties with an equal or greater donation to Mermaids and other similar charities. That would be the right thing to do if they can't just, y'know, not give Rowling any money at all.
You say this like as if the entire industry doesn't systematically discriminate against women, and queer people, and people of color. Dudes just like this run everything. The people who could fire him absolutely believe the same shit. Most aren't dumb enough to make videos about it as a side gig, but their politics are the same. And they actively protect other men like themselves.My main question about this whole thing is:
The guy is a producer, and must have women on his team.
How in the fuck does this company employ a guy who makes videos about how women are ruining the gaming industry and allow him to manage women on his team?
Not only morally, but isn't that a massive lawsuit risk? Does Utah not have workplace discrimination laws?
You would think at the very least they would make him "apologize" and take his videos off of youtube.
Why are you coming at me so aggressively? I haven't accused anyone of ever saying anything like that, so I'd rather you didn't start accusing me of deflecting criticisms or gaslighting people. I know what it's like to be gaslit and it's a horrible thing for anyone to go through so you should be more careful about who you accuse of what.
They do what they do in so many other industry situations like this: act like unfeeling cowards & do nothing. Minorities on the team are forced to bite their tongues or potentially be ostracized by others in the apparatus who ignore, enable or actively participate in the exact same bigotry.My main question about this whole thing is:
The guy is a producer, and must have women on his team.
How in the fuck does this company employ a guy who makes videos about how women are ruining the gaming industry and allow him to manage women on his team?
Not only morally, but isn't that a massive lawsuit risk? Does Utah not have workplace discrimination laws?
You would think at the very least they would make him "apologize" and take his videos off of youtube.
Echo your exact sentiments Kyuuji. While it's good to see there is some people on the dev team pushing for representation on the game the franchise it's based on is inextricably linked to its creator and that is not going to change. And that is made even worse when one of its led devs is a gamergater moron who the publisher responsible for the game continues to protect.Good on the devs for pushing for it and doing what they can internally. This is where character creators should be in 2021 and they're helping that. Sadly it doesn't change anything at large though. It's still a product tied to an IP that aids in harming trans people and no amount of digital trans Wizards or Witches will counteract that.
Not going to change my stance on the game, but good on some of the devs at least.
Still only supporting the inclusion of trans people in a virtual setting while continuing to actively hurt them in reality. Also feel this will be used as a cheap excuse to continue punching down at anyone who criticizes... basically any aspect of this mess. That they gave an impossibly generous olive branch and how dare anyone say anything.
Sorry, this just doesn't feel right to me :/
I don't think it's been used for marketing, atleast yet? As I understand this is coming from Jason's sources, it's not something WB or the studio has publicly shared. From the article: The people requested anonymity because they weren't authorized to speak to the press. It's probably same people who have been pushing for the inclusion that are mentioned hereWhile the devs were likely well-intentioned, something about this feels downright insidious. "You can be trans in our game :)" being used as a marketing point for a game that will stuff money into the pockets of one of the most influential and dangerous anti-trans perpetrators is just so disingenious. It's like a way to trick folks back into supporting the game, ignoring that the legislation Rowling has used her wealth and platform to push for is actually going to cause trans people to die, and likely already has.
Not going to change my stance on the game, but good on some of the devs at least.
I don't think it's been used for marketing, atleast yet? As I understand this is coming from Jason's sources, it's not something WB or the studio has publicly shared. From the article: The people requested anonymity because they weren't authorized to speak to the press. It's probably same people who have been pushing for the inclusion that are mentioned here
Yeah true, they definitely can go that route.It's not being marketed now but if it's a feature in the game, it will almost certainly be marketed in the future. While the developers themselves may have come up with the idea, the JKR and GamerGate-supporting upper staff still had to approve of it; likely not out of genuine reasons if their views have anything to say about it, but for easy PR to shield this game from criticism.
remember when Cyberpunk was pushing how progressive they were with gender and genetalia and stuff and it turned out to be mostly bunk
Not going to change my stance on the game, but good on some of the devs at least.
There's always someone to do backflips to defend assholes while moaning "think of the poor devs" and "so much for the tolerant left". Been seeing them all for long enough now.Is it just me or does it feel like seeing people bringing up witch hunts is a shot at this topic?
PlayStation - " The PS5 version of Oddworld: Soulstorm is one of your PlayStation Plus games for April!"
I remember reading about the games back in the 90's, these games are actually really grim. If you sit down and read what he was talking about and what the game was about it really did open the eyes a bit. Oddworld closed their doors because they got fucked by Microsoft. Literally the company...www.resetera.com
Apparently now just simply asking if the person in charge of a small game has toxic views is a witch hunt and people would be worried about Era as a government.
Also you just gotta love the shitty ''but actually ERA are the true bigots'' narrative.There's always someone to do backflips to defend assholes while moaning "think of the poor devs" and "so much for the tolerant left". Been seeing them all for long enough now.
Also you just gotta love the shitty ''but actually ERA are the true bigots'' narrative.
Don't even know what to say.What scares me is if ERA would be a government than it probably wouldn't be any better than any alt-right guys.
And the fact that some people are going ''so brave I totally agree with you'' for that post is just the cherry on top of the shit cake.
Not going to change my stance on the game, but good on some of the devs at least.
As a result, some members of the Hogwarts Legacy development team have fought to make the game as inclusive as possible, pushing for the character customization and even for a transgender character to be added. There was resistance from management at first, the people familiar with the project said, but currently the character customization is included in the game. A Warner Bros. spokesperson declined to comment.
Not going to change my stance on the game, but good on some of the devs at least.
This isn't a reason to buy it, but it is a plus in regards to reaching the crowd who were wholly ignorant of what was going on with the game behind the scenes. The outcry had an affect and this is one situation where the "gonna buy it anyways" numbers are gonna work in favor of social justice. Rowling was gonna get her money one way or another, but now another major title is going to decouple options from gender, giving future games less excuse not to do so.That's very good news, I'm surprised they were able to do that with little miss gender critical overseeing everything.
Guessing her crusade isnt as important as money.
Still not supporting it. Fuck JK Rowling. Glad some of the people working on the game have a good conscience.