Which is the point as there's a caveat on that depiction.
As I say below:
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Cool, then I don't see the issue with people calling them out on their shit.
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Hollywood Reporter: Dave Chappelle Slams Michael Jackson Accusers and "Cancel Culture" in Netflix Special
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As I say below:
Post after post of people ( whom I assume exist in a position of privilege ) reasoning why it's ok to laugh at someone punching down on one of the most marginalized, harassed communities on the planet. I don't know how Trans members of Era do it, this is making me upset and I'm a Cis man
You should. Critiquing what people laugh at and why is part of the comedy process too.
I'm sure I've missed some sort of startling development about him being a terrible human being or something but when I think PG Comedy, Jim Gaffigan is probably the first name that springs to my mind.
I also don't watch nearly as much comedy as I did 10 - 20 years ago though when my TV was almost permanently tuned to Comedy Central. So there's probably some other prolific names out there I just am not aware of.
It's fucking disturbing, isn't it? Imagine this many posts trying to rationalize racist "jokes."
As a community, we should be doing much, much better at looking out for our trans members.
Tropic Thunder: Robert Downey Jr.'s character is the joke, not black people
Dave Chappelle: "these trannies is crazy, man. like imagine i say I'm Asian, like 'ching chong Chinaman!'"
totally the same thing
Dave Chappelle: "these trannies is crazy, man. like imagine i say I'm Asian, like 'ching chong Chinaman!'"
totally the same thing
Man, I love Dave, but the Michael Jackson, R. Kelly and trans stuff just doesn't land. It's all hitting below the belt, and it's not funny at all. I love jokes that offend people (liked the "F-word vs. N-word" segment), but some subjects just aren't funny. There's nothing funny about kids being raped.
IASIP's punchline is pretty similar. You merely asked for well received comedy with blackface, so I gave you two examples. Those are the type of jokes I think of when people say things are off limits, for what it's worth.
But that doesn't mean making fun of other races or traumatic experiences that might severely trigger an audience member is suddenly okay.
And because people are terrible, comedians have no choice but to pander to that crowd?
I was serious.
His name sounds familiar, I'll give him a look when I get off work. Fingers crossed.
Context matters. If it was in a comedic movie or skit then maybe.
That's fair and the fault was in my wording as it betrayed what I was trying to get at.
The basic premise was that comedy does indeed have lines in the sand, because you wouldn't have a white person on stage doing blackface to mock black people. So when that's the case it just depends on who draws the line where. It is not simply the case that "comedy" gets a free pass because "comedy" in all cases.
I'm talking about a stand up comedian crudely mocking a specific person that was disabled in a bad accident. The person themselves wouldn't find it funny. I'm asking if you think you would laugh?
I can't say I would, and I don't see the defence for mocking real people that were raped as children and dismissing their story either. Whether that's on stage or in a pub matters zero.
well with that segment i, like the audience, liked the part where he said to the woman "well i'm not an n-word" buuuuut doesn't that mean he is saying all gay people are f*****s?
Cis man, and yeah, same. I'd post a lot more but they'd be the kind of posts that might get me banned. Although perhaps if I simply end each of my posts with "it's just a joke, lighten up," those posters defending Chappelle would be cool with it. After all if you say that, it's automatically just a bit or you're inhabiting a character and is above any reason to criticize or cause offense.
For that matter, Seinfeld was a notoriously clean comedian during his heyday. I haven't watched some any of his old standup in quite some time (or any new material at all as "I'm Telling You for the Last Time" was the last thing I watched) though so it's hard for me to remember whether or not any of that stuff that was "safe" in the 90s doesn't play well today.
What if you did? Would that suddenly make you a trash person? Would you cancel yourself?
Cancelception.
As the other poster said, context matters and if it was a funny joke and not horribly mean spirited then I might laugh. Even if it was super mean spirited but managed to be funny I might laugh.
You simply can't view comedy under the same lens as everything else. It doesn't work that way.
Humor is a very complicated subject.
This thread would have gone a completely different way if Chappelle said this stuff in an actual interview with a straight face as opposed to a comedy special of his named Sticks and Stones where the entire thing was about talking about things that offend people in 2019.
Both of these examples are also explicitly saying the white characters in blackface are wrong. It's not as if Chappele's jokes about trans people are about how his views are bigoted.
That's something that never changed from the old board to here. It's disheartening.
Where's that comedy skit with a white person doing blackface to mock black people?
The notion that comedy is anything goes is absolute bollocks.
Banging on about cancelling and 'cancelcption' when I've never mentioned it makes you sound like a child, which would align with this idea that comedy is no-holds-barred to any degree and that's that.
Thinking the same thing, tbh.
Making jokes about groups that are struggling with any degree of acceptance, visibility or awareness just sucks.
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Oh no
I guess minions are an alt-right icon too.
Omg not Toy Story 4 too! Always knew that was an alt-right film!
It's not that anything goes, it's that anything can go if done right.
Nobody's gonna laugh at a comedian just going up on stage and yelling racial slurs for 2 hours.
Their entire job is to find ways to make things funny. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. And people will have their own opinions on what is funny and what isn't.
How would you do blackface mocking black people right?
How do you mock real people that were raped as children and dismiss their story, right?
Look at this bad faith bullshit right here.
Ah, a junior account. Should have guessed.
Aaaaaaand this is why I was avoiding this topic for quite a while.
It's kinda like learning that an artist you genuinely liked has been turned into a TERF bot spouting all kinds of BS.
Every time someone makes a joke punching down, it's always the same joke and the only thing it's telling me is that if they saw the body of someone trans they would just go with all the assholes and just spit on the cadaver for no reason.
Like you can make jokes about everything but the joke has to be funny in the 1st place.
My thoughts probably line up with yours. Gotta believe the victims. Jackson was most likely a pedophile, R. Kelly definitely peed on underage girls, and I thought Kevin Hart even admitted to his own wrongdoings.
Thanks for asking.
Calling a comedian an alt-right icon based on two articles is bad faith bullshit. Thank you for proving my point.
JFC. Are people still seriously doing this "Junior account" shit? I thought that was done with the old site.
I mean when it's accounts with barely any posts that only come out of the woodwork for topics like that?
Yeah, looks like a troll account.
I know someone brought it up earlier, but Louis CK's bit (before people realized he actually was a shitty person) was that he was acting AS a shitty person. He was saying terrible things that people knew were terrible, but always presenting them as being in the wrong, and the comedy was from the absurdity of this person describing and rationalizing in front of the audience how wrong he was (the way people can laugh at the garbage Trump spouts because it feels unreal at some point). Sure his reveal as actually a shitty person sort of re-contextualizes a lot of that, but you can see what the intended effect was. HE was supposed to be the object of ridicule in his routine.
Dave doesn't show any sign or indication that he has the same intent behind his trans jokes. He's telling offensive jokes and he's not the target to be laughed at. He wants to make the same kind of absurdist jokes, but he's not meant to be the object of ridicule. He's not telling these jokes as a means of describing that he's the bad person in all this. He's trying to make the case that he's in the right to tell these, and people telling him to stop or the ones that are offended are in the wrong.
People are right in saying that you "can" joke about any subject in comedy, but it doesn't mean you can joke about it from every angle. It doesn't mean every joke is sacred or immune to criticism, and the bar to tell jokes about certain subjects should be (and is) insanely high when you're not a part of the group you're joking about and your jokes have a negative sting to them. The right person with the right background and the right connection with both their audience and the community could probably tell "trans" jokes and not catch flak for it when you know the intent behind it.
Dave isn't that person.
Dave doesn't show any sign or indication that he has the same intent behind his trans jokes. He's telling offensive jokes and he's not the target to be laughed at. He wants to make the same kind of absurdist jokes, but he's not meant to be the object of ridicule. He's not telling these jokes as a means of describing that he's the bad person in all this. He's trying to make the case that he's in the right to tell these, and people telling him to stop or the ones that are offended are in the wrong.
People are right in saying that you "can" joke about any subject in comedy, but it doesn't mean you can joke about it from every angle. It doesn't mean every joke is sacred or immune to criticism, and the bar to tell jokes about certain subjects should be (and is) insanely high when you're not a part of the group you're joking about and your jokes have a negative sting to them. The right person with the right background and the right connection with both their audience and the community could probably tell "trans" jokes and not catch flak for it when you know the intent behind it.
Dave isn't that person.
And the other person isn't trolling? Do you really think calling someone an alt-right icon because you found two articles is a good faith take?
I'm just pointing out the ridiculousness of it all.
Nobody got time to argue with people who don't give a shit. If that's the only barometer available, I may as well use it.
I shared two links, but Breitbart alone has FOUR separate articles lionizing Chappelle and this special all posted over the last week. And rightwing rag the Washington Examiner is also propping him up. I threw up two links but that doesn't mean those are the only articles. And that's not including all of the alt-right social media posts celebrating him, so let's not get it twisted.
I guess if you think the leading alt-right media outlet posting four articles in less than a week celebrating someone is just nothing then great. I'm not going to try to convince you of what's obvious just from a quick look.
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I'm dying at the notion that nearly 1000 posts in we get someone here who wants to congratulate Chapelle on the positive reception he got for his heartwarming, family-friendly stand up set judging by the points of comparison
Brian Regan is another top tier clean comedian. And so many comics, clean or dirty, see him as an all time great. He mostly just does stand up, so unless you follow stand up you probably wouldn't know him. But he has a huge fan base and sells out theaters as opposed to comedy clubs.
If these were reviews commenting on the politics behind these films, then you might have a point.
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh I guess we're very close to the revival of Milo's career.
My issue is that that doesn't make him some sort of alt-right icon.
Have you viewed the special? In it he claims to be pro-choice, he also acknowledged that Kevin hart made a mistake in making those homophobic comments.
He even said this
There's only one thing that's going to save this country from itself. Same thing that always saves this country from itself, and that is African Americans
Fun fact, he is also a Muslim.
But because the alt-right found some of his jokes funny, he is an alt-right icon now?
I don't get it
What is your opinion on the transphobia espoused in the special?
I can't believe someone can defend this transphobic trash that literally gets people killed because "muH cOMedY".
Disgusting.
Disgusting.
Not directed at you obviously but people really have a hard time differentiating between the subject and the target of a joke.
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