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Hong Kong Airport cancel all flight due to protester gathering due to police and govt action [UP: Second day of protests]
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We'd only be there for 10-15 years, then back to US to retire. Id like force us to move out by 2047 if we had to wait that long. Don't have much of an interest in living with how China is currently
She's spoken to the British consulate and they've given the advice to leave the airport and find somewhere the protesters aren't and to stay safe! Needless to say she's freaking out a little bit...her son's going to keep us updated.
Also has a huge economic impact to the region as a whole. Makes it a lot harder to ignore them.
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Ccp hasnt done anything yet, except try and change the narrative that it is riot by bad people or foreign government, Which some western news medira are repeting, all the violence so far are feom Hong Kong police and government
Hk police using violent tactic and even hiring and joining triad white shirt to hirt people, and now multiple police officer have been caught pretending to be protester starting fire and other to "force" police to esculate to come in to arrest people.
But each time, the police response that is esculation, the bigger the protest become.
But although HK politician, and Police and CCP government keep on saying one thing, and their net army is trolling not just HK news site, but also Taiwan, Japan and other forum(Not just news, but game and other too)
The CCP probabely don't know what the actual response will be if they use military,
Tiananmen Square wasn't that easy, it almost resulted in a civil war in China with military force facing each other ready to shoot, and in the current economic status, I don't think the CCP is willing to risk another Tiananmen Square.
And Cathway Pacific like to "pride" itself as a Hong Kong success story, so if you pride yourself to be Hong Kong, then you stand with Hong Kong is what today at the airport is also about.
I was here for that and i'm from the US I know how racism can manifest. And what gives me some kind of hope is the current open conversation on white supremacy we seem to be having right now. A lot of millennials are assuming power and are more aware of how the system works, how far reaching it is and how everything is connected to it. No matter who gets elected there will be large scale protests I think. Systemic change take time and organization. The US has a lot more to do because business has so much power but we need to see that our divisions race class etc. are a only a tactic for dividing the working class from all races so we don't band together.
What are they saying?
Few days ago I had a very blatant Chinese state propaganda mouthpiece video show up in my YouTube feed for some reason. Never clicked it.
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Generally~
Praising the CCP, and police action, talk about protester in deragotary term such as HK dog or other similiar term
Threat that the CCP army military might will come in and kill everyone and that kind of varation
And generally trying to drown out support or other and fill it only with their own message.
But general term and tone is similiar to FPS gamer talking mean.
These are from CCTV's twitter feed (plus what SilentPanda said, I don't speak Mandarin/Cantonese but I'm guessing the propaganda is even more intense in those languages):
Hits all the propaganda classics
It's the US/CIA, Taiwan is sending money, this could collapse HK's economy and people lose jobs, they hit every note except Mainland China and the CCP
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Solidarity with HK, can only see the response from Beijing getting even more violent.
WIsh there was something the UK could do but they're pretty powerless.
WIsh there was something the UK could do but they're pretty powerless.
China can't afford a Tiananmen style intervention (or anything similar) in Hong Kong, it would destroy HK as a financial capital.
My guess is they will withdraw the extradition bill for the time being to avoid further disruption and bring it up again at a later time
Go to Shenzhen and take flight there. Shenzhen or Guangzhou are both international airports.
If China were smart about it they could start comparing them to Antifa and BLM as an attempt to muddy the waters. I've already seen some pretty hilarious cognitive dissonance to that effect among American right wingers as they start to notice the analogies between the HK protests and similar disruptive protests that have occured recently in the US.
CCP don't need to kill anybody, just send a bunch of kids to "vocational school" for some time and HKers will fold. Just look at literally what happen in Kashmir now. Just do what India do in Kashmir now. Nobody even talking about it,
HK is literally one of the most important cities in the world, China doesn't want to do anything drastic to spook foreign companies. Kashmir, Xinjiang or Tibet are not Hong Kong.
All I am saying is they don't need to kill anybody to get people under control. Just make it clear that police force will not get any repercussion from the HK government.
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Why did you think the situation keep on esculating?
The first protest in June was only kids and university student, police action and later working with Triad has now made it an issue that has been esculating with protester that age range from 15~70, due to police violence toward kids, and the 5 demand include police accountability and release of all protester arrested so far.
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No, the bill is still possible to be reinstated, it is only postponed/Under discussion, what one of the five demand are is to have it to be gone and not possible to be reinstated.
I hope you're right. I guess it's easier to be cynical than hopeful.
US still has torture/concentration camps on it soil, where was the uprising and constant protests?
What I saw was people applying for permits to protest and making excuses for why they couldn't do anything. Hell, they had a national holiday and they didn't use it to do mass protests across the country against those camps.
You can tell me to fuck off, but you're ultimately lashing out at the wrong person, you should look at the inaction of people and their unwillingness to do anything that might be considered a risk. The folks in HK, the yellow vests in France, these are the exceptions, not the rule.
US has those camps etc cos the people aren't willing to do fuck all about it.
Now I'm really getting worried.
I booked a flight to go there in early November and it will be my first time traveling there. But with these protests going on in the city and now at the airport, I'm wondering if I should just outright cancel the trip altogether. :(
I booked a flight to go there in early November and it will be my first time traveling there. But with these protests going on in the city and now at the airport, I'm wondering if I should just outright cancel the trip altogether. :(
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The protest has gone on so far because both sides are putting more chips on the table. Right now the protesters are like betting roulette in a casino. Eventually casual betters will run out of money to bet against the house. And IMO it has gone on so long because certain Hong Kongers have overestimated their leverage and hand of cards.
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About 60 medical personal(Nurse, doctor, etc) did a silent protest against police brutality
Hong Kong Police chief second in command?(Not sure what his position is in English)
Had a interesting statement
If we put officer with accusation(Civilion or other accuse officer of misdoing) off active duty, then over half of the force would be not active duty.
Hong Kong Police chief second in command?(Not sure what his position is in English)
Had a interesting statement
If we put officer with accusation(Civilion or other accuse officer of misdoing) off active duty, then over half of the force would be not active duty.
Look up the protest of jews against the camps in Amazon NYC yesterday. Solidarity is happening you just have to look for it.
All bills are possible to be re-instated in the future.
Is the demand that Hong Kong's basic law be amendment to prohibit the passing of any extradition bill with he mainland?
Is that even a desired outcome?
At some point you're gonna have to sort that shit out.
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Yeah, but amending the constitution is not in those demands.
Carrie Lam can resign and you can fire the entire HK police department and expunge everyone's record and still the bill is still gonna possible to be reinstated, just as it is right now.
In all my sympathy for them... my pointless flight lol
Sorry about your GF, but that's not the same thing
Singapore happened because Malaysia didn't want them though. It's one of those weird things where racism help set a city free.
I feel like the CCP is still trying to let the local HK govt try to resolve this...i mean to be honest if the CCP really wanted to shut this down they can easily do it in so many ways they don't even need violence...for example threaten to open the borders completely so ordinary Chinese citizens can go live in HK without any permit...the riots will be over in a day.
Glad it's getting awareness here at era. Right now, I think this fire will only burn further and further. Not sure what to do when shit comes down.
I really hope they maintain a live feed. Worried about all sorts of fucked stuff that could happen.
Not to mention Singapore is militarily defensible and it has a British navay base. Every tiny ass city state in the 20th century (like Barhrain) has a foreign military base. Thats what keep tiny ass city states remain autonomy.
Its hard to explian this fact to Hong Kongers who don't learn geopolitic in their schools.
Unless China wanted to be nuked Hong Kong was defensible in 1997. Point is the Brits gave it away to one of the worst regimes in history for a pittance and almost no consideration of its citizens right to self determination
I don't know what military forces you think the UK had in Hong Kong, but it's literally impossible to imagine a scenario where the UK would've been able to win a defensive land war against China in HK.
And in any case, The issue wasn't Hong Kong, it was always the new territories.
HK is my favorite place in the world and I feel for all the HKers, but this movement really has zero chance of getting anywhere.
At least in Tianamen, the protestors were fighting for democracy for all of China. The HK protesters are fighting only for HK. There is zero sympathy for them among the general Chinese populace right now.
And HK has always been regarded as a privileged place, and HKers has a history of looking down on mainland people. It's as if in Alita the people of Zalem started complaining and protesting, do you think would any of the people living on the garbage surface would care?
At least in Tianamen, the protestors were fighting for democracy for all of China. The HK protesters are fighting only for HK. There is zero sympathy for them among the general Chinese populace right now.
And HK has always been regarded as a privileged place, and HKers has a history of looking down on mainland people. It's as if in Alita the people of Zalem started complaining and protesting, do you think would any of the people living on the garbage surface would care?