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Hong Kong Airport cancel all flight due to protester gathering due to police and govt action [UP: Second day of protests]

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RedFyn

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Chikor said:
All bills are possible to be re-instated in the future.
Is the demand that Hong Kong's basic law be amendment to prohibit the passing of any extradition bill with he mainland?
Is that even a desired outcome?
At some point you're gonna have to sort that shit out.
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I don't know how the system works so this is just a shot in the dark but I assume that it has to do with the time it takes to pass a bill. A tabled bill can be quickly brought to vote where as if they had to start the process over again as a new bill it would take longer and give the people time to react.

But, whether that assumption is correct or not, there is still the core issue of the optics behind what they did and how they did it. Saying it's tabled vs saying it has been removed is a bad look, even if the result is effectively the same. The government refused to look weak and they keep digging down.
 
JetmanJay

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I didn't see if this was brought up in the other thread, but what do we think the Triad/gangs are getting out of this deal to back the Chinese government here? Besides a straight pay off, immunity from the law/prosecution from crimes for a time?
I mean if the bill passes it ultimately would affect them and their lifestyle
 

SRG01

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JetmanJay said:
I didn't see if this was brought up in the other thread, but what do we think the Triad/gangs are getting out of this deal to back the Chinese government here? Besides a straight pay off, immunity from the law/prosecution from crimes for a time?
I mean if the bill passes it ultimately would affect them and their lifestyle
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No, it won't. The Triad has always worked with the government and police, especially in the mainland.
 
Kirblar

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Sadly this was always the inevitable end result of the handover. :( China can't abide that which it cannot control.
 

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Jie Li said:
Not to mention Singapore is militarily defensible and it has a British navay base. Every tiny ass city state in the 20th century (like Barhrain) has a foreign military base. Thats what keep tiny ass city states remain autonomy.

Its hard to explian this fact to Hong Kongers who don't learn geopolitic in their schools.
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iirc Singapore also build a naval base that could supply carriers aka US carriers.
 
JetmanJay

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SatelliteOfLove said:
It smells more Russian than I expected, lets put it that way.

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Hmm - thanks for the link. Quite a read.
Even in this story though, it seems like the Chinese courts were still attempting to prosecute and go after Tommy Zhou for his casino scams/laundering. So at that point at least, it didn't seem like the Triad had 'carte blanche' to do whatever they wanted. Right now it's definitely worrisome that it appears the Triad, Chinese government, And the damn police force are all out in the open, not really hiding it, and pooling their muscle against the people.

Edit: oh and 'communist party influence operatives'? I didn't know this was even a thing in a country like Australia.
 

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JetmanJay said:
Hmm - thanks for the link. Quite a read.
Even in this story though, it seems like the Chinese courts were still attempting to prosecute and go after Tommy Zhou for his casino scams/laundering. So at that point at least, it didn't seem like the Triad had 'carte blanche' to do whatever they wanted. Right now it's definitely worrisome that it appears the Triad, Chinese government, And the damn police force are all out in the open, not really hiding it, and pooling their muscle against the people.

Edit: oh and 'communist party influence operatives'? I didn't know this was even a thing in a country like Australia.
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The triads is a none factor. They showed up a couple of times either 1) someone higher up in the gang knows shit is going to hit the fans and they want to "pledge royalty" before other factions, or 2) it was a ploy to get some video of a bunch of black shirts beating a white shirt for propaganda consumption. They get outnumbered easily.
 
firehawk12

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I assume that's just for the Chinese audience now to demonize HKers so that when the tanks do roll it and they start mass jailing people and sending them to the same places they send the Uighurs, people in China see it as a righteous action?

Because I don't see what effect their propaganda is supposed to have in HK itself. The yellow umbrella protest ended because of inevitable apathy, but by antagonizing the people they're just making these people see the dark dystopian future they'll have to live in in 2047.
 
clay_ghost

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Jie Li said:
Yeah, Singapore actually acquires a decent amount of military hardware and they can put up a good fight against a theoretical Malaysia invasion.

Whereas HK only spends its energy on the property market.
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Singapore also allocate 15.5 billion Singapore dollars to our Military budget. We also have one of the best Air force and navy in the region.

It does not take a day to bulid this up even when you have the cash and I think most male Hong Kongers will not want to serve two years of national services (even those unfit need to serve as admin staffs) with sad allowance (less than 500 SGD for most, around 1k SGD for Officers) at your prime (18 to early 20s) and continue with at least 10 years of reservist while you need to go back and serve for two weeks to 40 days each year.
 
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KillLaCam

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JetmanJay said:
I didn't see if this was brought up in the other thread, but what do we think the Triad/gangs are getting out of this deal to back the Chinese government here? Besides a straight pay off, immunity from the law/prosecution from crimes for a time?
I mean if the bill passes it ultimately would affect them and their lifestyle
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They usually are against big protests because big protests effect business. Which also makes them more friendly with the govt in these situations.
 
Masquerader

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From the absolute bottom of my heart, I hope that Hong Kong wins in the end. The tyranny of PRC cannot be overstated.

Anywhere decent I can put my money where my mouth is, like donations to the cause and stuff?
 
clay_ghost

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KillLaCam said:
They usually are against big protests because big protests effect business. Which also makes them more friendly with the govt in these situations.
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My guess is they just want to make all the money possible before the inevitable. China gonna take over and that's unavoidable.
SilentPanda said:
They also let ambulance through during street march
It's why one of the five demand is to have the government change saying they are violent riot instead of peaceful protest.
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I won't say that's they are really peaceful after what happened to the Legislative Council. I get that most are not doing any thing violent but some bad eggs are enough.

To be honest, I am still surprised by the restraint of China. I guess China want the citizens to get sick of these events and lessen their support of the protestors (especially those affected by protestors directly such as those who can't make it to work because by protestors blocking the Train doors and those who are affected when the protest goes to their homes) instead of sending the PLA in and risk more anger from the citizens.


I am not sure there is any good ending for Hong Kongers here, I don't see China changing in any time soon and China's influence will only increase. Hell China is pissed when other countries are seemed to be unsupportive of her, I think what Hong Kongers can do is to make themselves attractive as immigrants and move to a better country.
 
Nothing Loud

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Amazing how one law causes this level of unrest. Trump and his administration have said and passed so many horrible things and we can't maintain 1% of the passion and protest that Hong Kong is. I wish them the best but I'm terrified that China will just massacre people in the streets.
 

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People got arrested with this kind of violent act should be released?
Is this not a riot?

Gasoline bomb attack police and police station
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9i8BYA1KNQ

Attack citizen with different voice

Attack citizen and force her to delete photo, they thought she is a police in disguise

Attack driver who dare to try get pass their road blockage, and destroy their vehicle

"Unarmed" and "peaceful" protesters

These are not isolated case but rarely get reported by the media
 
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Hamchan

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Good on the protestors. I hope they keep it up.

China look like fools to spark this off with their extradition bill. If they respond with military action against civilians that just proves that these protests are the right thing to do.
 
Troast

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OutOfcontrol said:
People got arrested with this kind of violent act should be arrested ?
Is this not a riot?
These are not isolated case but rarely get reported by the media
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Yes arrest those violent protesters. Make sure however, they are not police disguised, and then when arrested they walk free. Also, many innocent peaceful protesters obviously just trying to get away and being hurt in other videos.
 
entrydenied

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OutOfcontrol said:
People got arrested with this kind of violent act should be released?
Is this not a riot?

Gasoline bomb attack police and police station
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9i8BYA1KNQ

Attack citizen with different voice

Attack citizen and force her to delete photo, they thought she is a police in disguise

Attack driver who dare to try get pass their road blockage, and destroy their vehicle

"Unarmed" and "peaceful" protesters

These are not isolated case but rarely get reported by the media
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If they're violent by all means arrest and charge them.
But don't use these examples as a means to further the idea that the protests have been violent because they've been largely peaceful.
And don't blame people for getting violent if they were attacked by the police or triads.
 

OutOfcontrol

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entrydenied said:
If they're violent by all means arrest and charge them.
But don't use these examples as a means to further the idea that the protests have been violent because they've been largely peaceful.
And don't blame people for getting violent if they were attacked by the police or triads.
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No it's not largely peaceful. We got daily protest almost daily in recent weeks, almost every protest ends up in violent.
They block road, destroy traffic light, set things in fire, actively attack police, casing chaos everywhere.
 
entrydenied

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OutOfcontrol said:
No it's not largely peaceful. We got daily protest almost daily in recent weeks, almost every protest ends up in violent.
They block road, destroy traffic light, set things in fire, actively attack police, casing chaos everywhere.
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Again this is not everyone. Protesting in its nature is always disruptive. Arrest and charge those who destroy things or set things on fire. But protesting should not stop till there's a compromise.
 
CaptainK

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The only thing Chinese media and their stooges want to talk about is the violence so they can avoid talking about the underlying political issues, the protestors demands, and the path forward for HK. It's so fucking transparent.
 
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