Hot take: Dragon Quest 11 is the perfect template for a 3D Pokemon

Strings · Jan 11, 2019

I don't think they have what it takes to make something even close honestly. DQ9 trounced them on the DS, which was their home turf, and expecting something like DQ11 out of GameFreak is just, yeah...

Lant_War said:
And if they don't want to make it Square can always make another DQ Jokers.

Joker is finished, but they're making a new Monsters for consoles, starring a young Erik and Mia:

T002 Tyrant · Jan 12, 2019

Neoxon said:
You do realize that Game Freak owns a sizeable chunk of the IP, right?

Yes, but it doesn't stop me from giving an opinion that GF don't deserve to make Pokémon any more.

lvl 99 Pixel · Jan 12, 2019

Sparks said:
Absolutely. Haven't played Dragon Quest XI, but from videos ect. I really hope we get an evolved Pokemon, I'm honestly shocked that they keep reusing the same formula since the Gameboy.

They have the money. Full animations and full voice acting should be a standard.

This as well... they have the ability and the potential!

Even if they had the money to put out annual games of that quality I doubt they'd want to because they're already selling millions.
To get something like DQ11 it doesn't matter how much money they throw at it, its going to take years of development, a different business model and to look anything like DQ11- better hardware. One day, perhaps.

Sera · Jan 12, 2019

Monster hunter stories tho

ZeroX · Jan 12, 2019

How is DQXI a perfect template when Pokemon games are supposed to have good music

T002 Tyrant said:
No, No No Kino is the best Pokémon game of all time. Fact.

Scrap GameFreak. Hire Level-5

lmfao I really like Ni No Kuni 1's atmosphere, visuals and music but damn were the combat and monster catching mechanics awful. It's the exact opposite of what the series needs. Level-5 are extremely inconsistent, they would absolutely fuck it up. Plus they've got Yo-Kai, which is their own twist on it anyway.

Game Freak may not take risks but they put out consistently good enough games to keep Pokemon one of the biggest franchises in the world.

Dark_Castle · Jan 12, 2019

That's not a hot take OP. Cold take maybe? DQXI is a fantastic JRPG and all JRPG could learn a thing or two from it.

Dreamboum · Jan 12, 2019

Strings said:
I don't think they have what it takes to make something even close honestly. DQ9 trounced them on the DS, which was their home turf, and expecting something like DQ11 out of GameFreak is just, yeah...

Joker is finished, but they're making a new Monsters for consoles, starring a young Erik and Mia:

Those are probably the perfect characters to make a DQ Monsters about. Loved their interaction. Erik is a great character in the game too. Kinda hope we could see Veronica & Serena for some cross-sibling banter

Faiyaz · Jan 12, 2019

Pokemon graphics won't look that good for 10 more years.

GhostTrick · Jan 12, 2019

I agree OP and was thinking the same while playing it.

Philippo · Jan 12, 2019

I don't know man, you are not wrong, but i think Pokèmon needs a bigger shake up than just upping the production and visual values upon a traditional structure.

HK-47 · Jan 12, 2019

Maybe if the game actually had the monster arena from VIII like it should have

HK-47 · Jan 12, 2019

T002 Tyrant said:
No, No No Kino is the best Pokémon game of all time. Fact.

Scrap GameFreak. Hire Level-5

Someone doesnt know anything about Gamefreak's relationship to Pokémon

Charamiwa · Jan 12, 2019

Yeah I think it's time for the battles to be part of the world 1:1, and even moving around as the trainer during them would be nice. DQXI is doing it, so why not Pokémon? That's the kind of evolutions I want out of the series.

Kaguya · Jan 12, 2019

100% Agree with OP, I even pointed this out in a "Xeno 2 is a perfect template for a 3D Pokemon" thread. :D

Oregano · Jan 12, 2019

lvl 99 Pixel said:
Even if they had the money to put out annual games of that quality I doubt they'd want to because they're already selling millions.
To get something like DQ11 it doesn't matter how much money they throw at it, its going to take years of development, a different business model and to look anything like DQ11- better hardware. One day, perhaps.

??

I'd rather they look at Xenoblade to be honest for the world design, but DQXI is obviously a better match for the battle system.

texhnolyze · Jan 12, 2019

Yeah, I've been saying this multiple times, Dragon Quest XI is the perfect template for lots of JRPGs.

FrostyLemon · Jan 12, 2019

What incentive do Game Freak have to build something that extensive? Sales are strong despite taking baby steps in overworld design, they have no competition to give them a kick up the ass, and Nintendo can't boss them about either. I don't think you'll see massive changes to Pokemon anytime soon.

Jaded Alyx · Jan 12, 2019

Knight in Shining Armani said:
DQ made a succesful jump from 2D JRPG to 3D JRPG

Didn't this happen forever ago?

The Turbanator · Jan 12, 2019

FrostyLemon said:
What incentive do Game Freak have to build something that extensive? Sales are strong despite taking baby steps in overworld design, they have no competition to give them a kick up the ass, and Nintendo can't boss them about either. I don't think you'll see massive changes to Pokemon anytime soon.

The very unfortunate truth. Pokémon suffers from the CoD effect: no reason to keep innovating when the money almost literally makes itself.

Thornquist · Jan 12, 2019

You sweet summer child.

I remember hoping for a Pokemon game that would look like Ocarina of Time back in 98'

Mister X · Jan 12, 2019

Yes OP a million times yes.

This would save any interest I have in the series.

Deleted member 4037 · Jan 12, 2019

I think you would have a lot of reworking to do within. DQ XI is almost archaic in its core loop and actual combat, its almost ridiculous how little is actually going on that movement is combat was put in to literally do nothing

ArkhamFantasy · Jan 12, 2019

Honestly, i think its well past time to just accept that Pokemon is Pokemon. That's not a bad thing, it's popular, its been popular for 2 decades and it will be popular 2 decades from now.

It's cool that Dragon Quest and Zelda made massive leaps in tech and level design, doesn't mean that Pokemon has to, or even should. If people love Pokemon the way it is, who are we to say they should change it.

................With that being said if they wanted to make the game look like Dragon Quest XI or Xenoblade Chronicles that would be RAD

Tbm24 · Jan 12, 2019

Aigis said:
I think you would have a lot of reworking to do within. DQ XI is almost archaic in its core loop and actual combat, its almost ridiculous how little is actually going on that movement is combat was put in to literally do nothing

I'm like 3/4th the way done with DQ XI right now and I genuinely forgot that I can actually move in battle.

Deleted member 4037 · Jan 12, 2019

Tbm24 said:
I'm like 3/4th the way done with DQ XI right now and I genuinely forgot that I can actually move in battle.

I turned it off as soon as I could, it literally has no reason to exist

Deleted member 37233 · Jan 12, 2019

Kiraly said:
I wouldn't mind a Pokémon with Toriyama art characters and DQ XI styled world.

Nightmare fuel. I know, I'm in the minority, but I really dislike Toriyamas art style.

T002 Tyrant · Jan 12, 2019

HK-47 said:
Someone doesnt know anything about Gamefreak's relationship to Pokémon

Right there's way to many people jumping to conclusions about my knowledge on the fact GameFreak own a great chunk of the Pokémon Company thus making what I said impossible. I know this.

I'd just like to say that my statement was in the realms of not giving a flying shit about the reality of the situation and was more a statement at the utter blind incompetence of GameFreak to actually make a new and different Pokémon game. Where a game like No No Kuni in my opinion is a far better Pokémon game than any other Pokémon game in recent history, and that Level 5 were far more deserving than GameFreak in terms of game development.

Dyno · Jan 12, 2019

I dunno, I like the idea but something about DQ11 just didn't seem to work for me. I was really enjoying it at first but after doing a mission set around a town and a painting I just kind of never picked it up again. It's just a bit too slow. Needs a 2x speed option. I still enjoy rpg's but I do struggle with slow battle systems now. I found FFXII much easier to get on with due the gambit system and 2x speed. I'd like it as a template but as a much faster game to play.

Prophyblakcis · Jan 12, 2019

Taking out random encounters is a horrible idea for a Pokemon game

Aostia82 · Jan 12, 2019

Xavi said:
Can't say I disagree. Hell, I even thought DQIX was the perfect template for Pokemon DS.

Aaand how that turned out?
I think that even Yokai 4 will still be way more modern than pokemon 8

AzureFlame · Jan 12, 2019

Finally someone made a thread, yes DQ11 is the perfect example how a pokemon game should be designed for console systems, not Breath of the Wild or No No Kuni, it's Dragon Quest and 11 to be exact, it's I imagined pokemon would look like and the maps to be designed like.

Also wasn't pokemon inspired by DQ originally? Even the Pokeball idea was very similar to that monsters capsule from DQ anime.

Dinobot · Jan 12, 2019

Knight in Shining Armani said:
DQ made a succesful jump from 2D JRPG to 3D JRPG

DQ11 feels like an epic journey

Camera controls

Different outfits

You can move during battles if you want to, but it's still classic turn based

There are a variety of horse and monster mounts (these could be a bike, a skateboard, rollerblades or your caught Pokemon, like in Let's Go)

No random battles, enemies all visible on the field

High amount of difficulty options and sets of pre-set strategies...

...allowing for both a tough difficulty aswell as a chill time with zero grind

All your pokemon that you currently carry gain exp and will regain all lost HP/SP upon level up (controversial, but I want it as an option)

Convince me otherwise.

You have my support.

Also, you could have more than 4 moves so that you won't waste PP on weak enemies in a dungeon.

The Turbanator · Jan 12, 2019

Rollo Lawson said:
Taking out random encounters is a horrible idea for a Pokemon game

That's probably the single best change in Let's Go, and I hope that if there's a single exception to the "Let's Go has no effect on the core series" rule, it's no more random encounters.

convo · Jan 12, 2019

Rosebud said:
Yo-Kai Watch have some good ideas too

At least for what 3ds hardware was concerned, those yokai watch games easily blow past my enjoyment of the latest gens of pokemon. I feel so much more personality in the NPCs and general setting of the world. Yokai Watch on the switch looks more like Ni No Kuni , but i think the story would still hold up if it keeps up the tone. Pokemon is dead set on the friendly attitude of your rivals and blank-slate-ness of your player character, radical departures aren't that likley in that regard.

bsigg · Jan 12, 2019

It would be interesting if battles were real time and you controlled the Pokemon itself with moves set on timers that are determined by various factors of what the move is.

Also, as long as they keep wild Pokemon visible while running around, I'll be there day 1. I can't do random battles anymore, it just sucks all the fun out of it.

lvl 99 Pixel · Jan 12, 2019

Oregano said:
??

I'd rather they look at Xenoblade to be honest for the world design, but DQXI is obviously a better match for the battle system.

Yes I know there's a Switch version but its a huge downgrade graphically , and your link included cutscenes including the prerendered intro so it might be a bit misleading.

fiendcode · Jan 12, 2019

lvl 99 Pixel said:
Yes I know there's a Switch version but its a huge downgrade graphically , and your link included cutscenes including the prerendered intro so it might be a bit misleading.

The article you're citing is referencing the same trailer btw. Despite the "huge downgrade graphically" that looks like DQXI to me.

Oregano · Jan 12, 2019

lvl 99 Pixel said:
Yes I know there's a Switch version but its a huge downgrade graphically , and your link included cutscenes including the prerendered intro so it might be a bit misleading.

That link is the same trailer which the graphics comparison you linked is based off.

Deleted member 3815 · Jan 12, 2019

Knight in Shining Armani said:
Different outfits

That's already in the series since X and Y, though it could be heavily expanded and allow more options for males and allow cross dressing as the current system is still a tad bit sexist.

Knight in Shining Armani said:
You can move during battles if you want to, but it's still classic turn based

Not really sure what benefit that would suit for Pokémon as you aren't controlling the Pokémon but rather the trainers.

Knight in Shining Armani said:
All your pokemon that you currently carry gain exp

Already exist via the Exp all, which existed since X and Y and was made mandatory in Let's Go.

Knight in Shining Armani said:
and will regain all lost HP/SP upon level up (controversial, but I want it as an option)

Hmm, I don't really see a problem with this honestly.

T002 Tyrant said:
Yes, but it doesn't stop me from giving an opinion that GF don't deserve to make Pokémon any more.

That has to be one of the most daftest thing that I have ever heard someone ever said.

fiendcode · Jan 12, 2019

The new DQM possibly using UE4 could turn out pretty great.

lvl 99 Pixel · Jan 12, 2019

fiendcode said:
The article you're citing is referencing the same trailer btw. Despite the "huge downgrade graphically" that looks like DQXI to me.

And im not sure what the debate is. I said switch cant make a game that looks as good as DQ11, which it cant because the switch version looks significantly worse. Like I didn't think id have to explain that a graphically compromised port running on the hardware doesn't meant it looks as good.

Nax · Jan 12, 2019

Mr-Joker said:
That has to be one of the most daftest thing that I have ever heard someone ever said.

The original comment was a little hyperbolic, but your response wasn't much better. I can think of many developers who could probably do some really exciting things with the Poke'mon franchise. Which, honestly, would not hurt given how bad I thought Sun and Moon were.

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