I get that. My fear is the Dems will try to drag this out for a year or so.
That's not going to happen because of the election IMO.
I get that. My fear is the Dems will try to drag this out for a year or so.
I get that. My fear is the Dems will try to drag this out for a year or so.
Same here. I now think removal is actually possible. Very unlikely still, but I no longer feel comfortable saying it won't happen no matter what.100% chance of being impeached, still very low chance of removal, unless the investigation really starts to push public opinion. But I give it slightly better chances of removal vs. even just yesterday.
Same here. I now think removal is actually possible. Very unlikely still, but I no longer feel comfortable saying it won't happen no matter what.
So after today, what do yall think the odds of Trump getting impeached at? Not removal, just impeached for now.
trump is such a fucking imbecile
people are on his ass about seeking help from foreign governments, putting him under a colossal microscope and in the middle of all that he just goes and does that very thing
Outside of Lindsay Graham has there been a single senator that has come out and said what Trump did was ok? They're all attacking the leak, the whistle blower and democrats. That's telling, if push comes to shove where they have to vote and endorse what Trump did, it's extremely unlikely you'll see a unified front like we have in the past.
The next question is: How can we work to improve those chances?So after today, what do yall think the odds of Trump getting impeached at? Not removal, just impeached for now.
Funny. I'm traveling through Abilene, TX and in the mall here I heard shop owners and customers talking about how tired they are of Trump and the Republicans. They weren't huge DEM fans either but there was certainly negative Trump/GOP sentiment.Seeing all the Southern Trump Trash I live around on social media is great as usual. Not a single one of them mentioning that Trump literally admitted to asking for foreign interference in the election.
Walls of "I support Trump", "Desperate Democrats Make Up More Lies", "Trump 2020", etc. Total and complete blind loyalty and sharing of false memes.
To be "fair", if you would spend 71 years getting away with literally everything, and than get into the unprecendented position to have a Supreme Court, Senate, Congress, a party with iron grip on several states, media empire, troll farms, a hostile foreign power and millions of Americans to your service, you would probably slip up to.
The WH did release the transcript of the call in questionOne thing I could not find was when will the full script of the call be released? This was promised by Trump himself.
That's not the transcript
I think most GOP House members can vote Yes to impeach knowing the Senate won't convict him.to pass this the democrats need to win the republicans of the house, if they do turtle man has to let the impeachment pass under the risk of destroying GOP
Seeing all the Southern Trump Trash I live around on social media is great as usual. Not a single one of them mentioning that Trump literally admitted to asking for foreign interference in the election.
Walls of "I support Trump", "Desperate Democrats Make Up More Lies", "Trump 2020", etc. Total and complete blind loyalty and sharing of false memes.
The GOP will act in their own self-interest if Trump becomes too much of a liability for 2020. He has a ridiculously dedicated base, but that base alone cannot win him the election.Yeah, I put Senate removal at 10% chance and climbing. They are going to have a tough decision about 2020 to make and time is of the essence for them. With every day looking worse and worse, they're going to want to stop the bleeding in one way or another.
They don't have to convince a single republican in the house. Impeachment only requires a simple majority, which the democrats have (235 out of 435)to pass this the democrats need to win the republicans of the house, if they do turtle man has to let the impeachment pass under the risk of destroying GOP
Honestly, what they released was good enough. The call itself may be the tipping point, but what's going to really fuck Trump at the end of the day is the months long campaign, helmed by Redy Guliani, to pressure Ukraine. The withholding of aid, his public statements on the matter, and on top of it the implication of Barr, Pence, and the State dept by Trump & Rudy. As soon as one person falls they're going to pull the whole house of cards down.That wasn't the full transcript. We're still waiting for it.
Maybe that's why I am confused. Trump said he would declassify and release the full thing. Then we only got a little of it and it likely excludes a lot more because it was a 30 minute call. My confusion is Trump is a liar and I for unknown reasons I took him at his word.
Now that's a good boy. 😛
The poster's point is that they need at least a few republicans to give the impeachment any weight in the Senate.They don't have to convince a single republican in the house. Impeachment only requires a simple majority, which the democrats have (235 out of 435)
That's what I was thinking.
No they don't. Polling and media is the only thing that will give it any weight in the Senate. Genuine fear of losing seats and power in the Senate is the only thing that will motivate the Senate to provide the required votes, how the house builds their case is ultimately what drives that sentiment.The poster's point is that they need at least a few republicans to give the impeachment any weight in the Senate.
Press pool huh? I been waiting for him to flip out on tv all day. Only a matter of time.
Press pool huh? I been waiting for him to flip out on tv all day. Only a matter of time.
Though the tweet was from a few minutes ago, John's tweet is detailed at 1:46pm so maybe he screwed up the timings and means 7:45pm?
This. Don't give those fools anything to hang their hats on.Fools need to stop saying he released transcripts. It was a memorandum cobbled together from various aide's notes. Already seeing people trying cite these 'transcripts' as proof of a witch hunt... somehow. It's buying liars extra leverage.
Scum, all of them.
Here's what Republican senators are saying about the whistleblower complaint
From CNN's Ted Barrett
Many Senate Republicans said today that they haven't read the whistleblower complaint yet. Others said the complaint doesn't change things and raises "more questions than answers."
Here's what they told reporters about the complaint:
- Oklahoma Sen. James Lankford and North Dakota Sen. John Hoeven each said they were in appropriations mark-ups and hadn't yet read the full complaint.
- Indiana Sen. Mike Braun said he hadn't read it either, adding that he didn't know about the allegations to "lock down" information at the White House. Braun went on to say that he didn't feel the complaint would change Republican's views of impeachment, and said the Democrats had made a mistake starting an impeachment inquiry before knowing more about the complaint.
- Tennessee Sen. Lamar Alexander said he has not read it the complaint. "I'm waiting for the intelligence committee to finish its work."
- Ohio Sen. Rob Portman said he said he's been "running around" all day and hasn't read it and would not comment.
- Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton said "no comment" twice and boarded a senators-only elevator when asked if he was concerned the White House was locking down information.
- Missouri Sen. Roy Blunt, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said "I'll have a better idea of how credible he is later this afternoon" when asked if he is concerned about the strong allegations from a credible whistleblower.
- Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, a Republican from Florida, told reporters he has read the whistleblower's complaint, and says he has "more questions than answers."
- Idaho Sen. Jim Risch, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said that there was "nothing there" when asked the rough transcript of President Trump's call with the Ukrainian leader. On the whistleblower complaint, he said that he prefers to look at the primary document, meaning the rough transcript.
- South Dakota Sen. Mike Rounds said "they are using second-hand information right now. Let's let the committee investigate it."
- Iowa Sen. Joni Ernst said she hasn't had time to read the whole complaint, saying, "I am going to have to dig into it."
It's not a transcript. It's a WH altered version of events. It's not verbatim.Why is everyone talking about the transcript and not the audio recording?
Shame so many senators can't seem to have the ability to read fast. You would think with all them bills and what not