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House Passes Short-Term Spending Bill, Setting Up Shutdown Battle in Senate (Edit: Bill Fails)
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Republicans control all branches of government. They're in charge. That means the onus is one them to take cut deals to get the votes needed to push them over the top. That's how it works in all other democracies.
None of this matters. People who don't currently understand what's in the budget, because they haven't been paying attention, will be satisfied with the false explanation that's being peddled by the Republicans; i.e., that this is all Chuck Schumer's fault. A simple lie is much easier to accept than a complex truth.
People I assuming. I'm just listening to the politicians. I'm sure they are correct. /s
CHIP is not fine at all. Letters have already been sent to the families informing them the program is ending. States are running out of money for it.
So, if this is the Schumer shutdown and we are going to blame Democrats does that mean we get to say this is the Shumer save and Democrats get credit if and when it all comes together? I mean surely, Republicans and Trump wouldn't try to have it both ways!
States are already telling people that it is ending because the funds are drying up
strongly cosigned - get rekt GOP, there's no backing down on things like this
I stand corrected then. I remember reading that it always get extended last minute.
Well yeah we didn't use to dangle children's healthcare off a roof in a threatening manner to force our way.
Now apparently we do.
Well until voters punish the GOP, it will keep on happening. Post ACA, the GOP decided to go against all government medical care initiatives not named Medicare. They fear old people, so they don't even mention to touch that.
It's racist to enforce immigration laws? What should be done about illegal immigration, do we allow open borders as long as people stay out of trouble, or do we have some type of enforcement. I'm just curious.
I think everyone here is missing the real tragedy in this whole debacle; Trump had to cancel his golf trip to do his job! Poor guy. He never gets a break.
If a government shuts down, hundreds of thousands of people will be taken off their jobs without pay.
Also, it's a little extreme to call those people racist.
But then again, if we need to do this to protect DACA, it's worth it. I just hope it doesn't hurt people too much.
I don't understand why Democrats continue to grandstand with this DACA issue. The deadline for these DACA folks isn't until March. They should not force a shutdown due to this, the American people, the military and federal workers should come before any DACA folks especially when the deadline for a spending bill is in a few hours in comparison to the DACA deadline which is in March.
People blame the party in power, given that they controk all branches of government they can't pass the blame. Polls are also showing that the public will mostly blame Republicans if we shut down.
If the GOP cared about The American People, military or federal workers, they probably should play ball and stop screwing over the Democrats. The blame is 100% on the Republican party.
This continued statement from MSM now and yourself make ABSOLUTELY no sense. Do you have any idea how Congress works? If a simple majority in the Senate was enough to pass a spending bill then we wouldn't have to worry about a shutdown. In fact the GOP has 2 Senators who won't vote Yes on the CR.
The GOP needs to work alongside Democrats to pass this CR. My point of contention is the DACA issue. Why are Democrats willing to die on this hill? Makes no sense to me.
i didn't know that people who have lived in america all their lives are actually immigrants. whodathunkit.
What do Dems have that the GOP want besides the spending bill? They give them that now then in March, what bargaining chip do they have?
Because you might not give a shit that hundreds of thousands of people are living in fear that the GOP is about to sell them out but others do care. Speaking as someone who has been goddamn terrified since November 2016, I'm very happy that the Democrats are willing to die on this hill. At least someone gives a shit.
So what happens when another month flies by, McConnell and crew still refuse to put DACA up for a vote and try and guilt trip Democrats into supporting yet another shitty extension?
Like all I want at this point is a floor vote on the bipartisan DACA bills that have come out of both the House and Senate. I won't even put the stipulation on "if they pass" because I know they would in each chamber with significant bipartisan support, but Ryan and McConnell refuse to put them up for a vote even after endlessly promising they would do so. McConnell said he would put whatever Durbin and Graham came up with on the Senate floor once they completed negotiations. That's also how they secured Flake's vote for the tax bill.
Get leadership to stop breaking their promises to the rank-and-file and maybe they can count on their support to keep the government open. As it stands I don't trust GOP leadership in either house to do goddamn shit about DACA, or not to simply try and pass another CR in another month if they get this one, and why should I?
Btw "DACA folks" are "American people." Stop confounding the issue.
Oh, it's you. I see your Twitter is still some hot garbage.
I do look forward to Trump and Republicans being rightfully held accountable for their inhumane, transparently fucked up actions and their inability to ensure a properly functioning Government that they completely control.
Trump grandstanded by revolving DACA for damn reason other then it was Obama and brown people
There is a difference between officers enforcing laws and those that actually root for it to happen. That so many do is disturbing to me especially since it doesn't really effect them personally, there are so many issues that do and yet kicking out illegals is all they can think about.
As for what to do about immigrants already here, well I can't say. Congress can't figure it out so I doubt I can. I would be for amnesty. Let's get every illegal immigrant registered so we at least know who's in our country. Of course obviously nothing is going to be simple.
Again, the DACA thing doesn't need to be solved today and it has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the spending bill. The DACA issue will be hairy and rightfully so, and a DACA deal should be passed, I absolutely agree that folks like yourself should receive permanent legal status in exchange for a few things of course. But that doesn't have to be dealt with today. The spending bill that funds the federal government does. As an American, I will always put the interest of the American people, of American citizens above all others.
I have a feeling we will perpetually disagree, but Obama clearly signed the EO that was DACA in an election year for political points. Furthermore it was clearly unconstitutional, since the executive branch does not make laws. Congress does that. If Obama felt these DACA folks were so important he would have worked with his Democratic controlled Congress during the first 2 years of his 1st term to take care of them.
President Trump did the right thing in ending DACA, now Congress can do its job and find a solution for these folks. A solution that grants permanent legal status in exchange for immigration reform that America sorely needs. Virginia Congressman Bob Goodlatte has a great bill that should be the starting point for any talks on DACA. I still wonder why Speaker Ryan hasn't put it up on the House floor for a vote.
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Trump stopped the program in order to force a bargaining chip for his bullshit wall. Democrats cannot allow the executive to hold honest Americans hostage because he wants to waste money.
Actually yes it does. Republicans don't want to pass DACA, and it's naive to assume otherwise. It's literally now or never.
Yep and didn't turtle man promise this would be taken care of in January and wasn't it Trump that totally smashed a completely fair bipartisan bill that would have avoided this mess completely?
Yes I am sure that Republicans would negotiate DACA in good faith. It's not like the current party is built on the back of racism or anything.
Of course, of course! Just out of curiosity, what is the price that we should be demanding to not deport people out of the only country they've ever known as punishment for their parents' heinous, heinous actions?
DACA was law till Trump killed it.
I'd say if you're against DACA completely your opinion of foreigners goes beyond what would be considered a reasonable point of view about immigration.
The GOP doesn't need the Dems help. If they got their act together then they could pass a long term funding bill, yet the refuse to do so.
The GOP could've passed DACA and funded CHIP months ago and have refused to do so, drastic action is required.
That's the GOP's fault, not the Democrats. The Dems have been trying to work with the GOP, their demands are extremely reasonable.
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Sure thing.
Securing America's Future Act is a solid bill. I know fully well that the Dems won't go along with it entirely but chain migration and the visa lotto need to end completely. Personally I can care more about a wall. President Trump wants it because he campaigned so hard pushing the wall and he likes to keep his campaign promises but I can do without a wall. What we really need is to give ICE the authority to deport illegals as soon as caught. Also make standards higher for folks seeking asylum seeing as many just read off of a script and are in.
This is an overview of the bill.
then hopefully you should be against this shitshow of an administration that has hurt american standing, damaged American ideals and attacks American staples of Democracy with every fiber of your being.
Why are you against chain migration?Sure thing.
Securing America's Future Act is a solid bill. I know fully well that the Dems won't go along with it entirely but chain migration and the visa lotto need to end completely. Personally I can care more about a wall. President Trump wants it because he campaigned so hard pushing the wall and he likes to keep his campaign promises but I can do without a wall. What we really need is to give ICE the authority to deport illegals as soon as caught. Also make standards higher for folks seeking asylum seeing as many just read off of a script and are in.
This is an overview of the bill.
This is right where I'm at. If they really are against DACA, let them put their names on it. Let the president vote it down. But just put it up for a vote.