I thought this 538 article was interesting. 56% of people against impeachment and that number has INCREASED recently. As progressive as a ton of us are here, that isn't the America we have right now and it fucking sucks.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...d-rejecting-impeachment-is-that-a-smart-plan/
The democrats better not fucking forget this. Ever.
The minute you get enough power back to act on it, nail their asses to the wall. I don't care if its ten or twenty years from now.
I thought Barr was voted in contempt yesterday?
Was that just a vote to schedule a vote?
Also, WTF kind of system is this?
I thought this 538 article was interesting. 56% of people against impeachment and that number has INCREASED recently. As progressive as a ton of us are here, that isn't the America we have right now and it fucking sucks.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...d-rejecting-impeachment-is-that-a-smart-plan/
Great way to make sure this or something even worse (imagine that) happens all over again.When a Democrat wins, it's right back to "reach across the aisle".
Great way to make sure this or something even worse (imagine that) happens all over again.
You don't think things could get worse? Really? I don't believe that, unfortunately.Please don't respond to my posts with this garbage. "Strengthen his base". Do you really believe that horseshit? Where, exactly, does his base need strengthening? What part of it is weak?
No, you probably would still hear about how she passed public healthcare through the House (which then died in the Senate) and is one of the most respected progressive politicians in Washington.Pelosi's been a big talker my entire adult life. Stick to articles about her accomplishments and we'd hear a lot less about her.
Unless at least one Gopper breaks with party we are hosed. Two new SC guys will protect Trump absolutely for sure.I mean, it's true.
Congress is a co-equal branch of government. You can't just ignore its supeonas like that and legally get away with it.
This is eventually going to the Supreme Court init? God help us all.
Of course there are.If you don't think there are intelligent versions of Trump biding their time for their chance at becoming President and committing crimes uninhibited, I got a bridge to sell you.
He's going to do plenty of scaremongering during the election that will do that.
You don't think things could get worse? Really? I don't believe that, unfortunately.
Actually, please don't respond to my post with anything. You seem unpleasant and needlessly aggressive.
Well then send Sergeant At Arms and drag Barr's ass before the Congress.
Unless at least one Gopper breaks with party we are hosed. Two new SC guys will protect Trump absolutely for sure.
wasn't Eric Holder voted to be in contempt with tea partiers?Yes you can. Congress very rarely votes to hold anyone in contempt. I was reading about it and I think the last time the House did it was in the early 80's. And even then, it's up to the justice department and US attorney to prosecute, and there's history of them refusing.
You're right. I am the bad guy here.And YOU don't think things could possibly get worse by letting a wannabe dictator and fascist continue to operate unchecked? Got it, makes sense. Let's worry about the people who've already shown that they don't care what he does and will turn out and droves to vote against democrats, no matter what, and not the most powerful man in the world that continues to shit all over our established norms. That sounds like a GREAT solution.
agreed. Pelosi is handling this so well, i doubt anyone else would have handled it as well as her.Paul Ryan always wanted to put into place an economic squeeze plan, for decades since he was in college. He was not able to.
McConnell has Russian money coming into Kentucky now after the lifting of the sanctions, this has been reported a bunch of times since late April.
They were not ever going to investigate.
But House Democrats are investigating. And when you bring your case before court, you need a timeline of events and statements to show that you approached the investigation and requests for information in a non-political and reasonably accommodating way. You lay out both a path to compliance AND the consequences of not complying. All of this has been laid out in a deliberate, step-by-step, and very public way by the House Judicial, Oversight, and Intelligence committees.
Even though we have so much information available to us about the process and who has said what when, people are spending more time complaining about "doing nothing" and comparing this to Clinton impeachment, rather than actually studying Watergate where the sequence of events tracks very very closely. We are right on track of a Watergate speedrun. And courts can and do expedite these matters in some cases, as was done during Watergate.
People here are far more angry at the people attempting to investigate than they are at the people who are not complying, who are obstructing, or who are or have broken the law. The reactions in this thread are very very disappointing.
Q: When was the last time a full chamber of Congress, either the Senate or the House, voted on a contempt of Congress citation?
A: The year was 1983. The House voted 413-0 to cite former Environmental Protection Agency official Rita Lavelle for contempt of Congress for refusing to appear before a House committee. Lavelle was later acquitted in court of the contempt charge, but she was convicted of perjury in a separate trial.
Seriously. At the rate we're going, this statement might as well be 32 years old.From March 11, before the report was released. Nice dude. Be better.
Ignore it. Justice moves slow. 2020 election happens before anything is really done.
Yep. Time to use it
this is probably why McConnell stacked the fucking shit out of the courts, including the SCOTUS. Lets see if Congressional Oversight means anything to the SCOTUS... if the SCOTUS rules against congress, this will be huge and will probably cause some kind of uprising...Based on the Eric Holder F&F document battle, the decision, which coincidentally came down yesterday...
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/09/fast-and-furious-documents-holder-1313120
... [Judge] Jackson rejected the Justice Department's longstanding position that courts have no proper role in resolving battles between Congress and federal agencies over access to records.
Judge Amy stating the courts CAN resolve battles between Congress and the DoJ, means this battle between Congress and the DoJ will probably get appealed if it's not settled, whatever the district ruling is, and head to SCOTUS for the final decision.
FYI - that was in the courts for SEVEN YEARS.
Yeah, OK, right, so her landmark accomplishment was a bunch of legislation that never went anywhere.No, you probably would still hear about how she passed public healthcare through the House (which then died in the Senate) and is one of the most respected progressive politicians in Washington.
"We're in a constitutional crisis!"
"So, what are you going to do about it?"
"Um....nothing?"
Sounds about right.
Who is going to replace her in her district?