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Stellar

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When Russians at the Internet Research Agency interfered in U.S. politics, they created false online personas and fake political groups to amplify divisive messages that already had a homegrown American audience. It's not too far from what some U.S. political consultants are doing themselves.

Take Sally Albright, a Democratic Party communications consultant who backed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton in 2016. Unsurprisingly, Albright is vocally opposed to President Donald Trump and a big supporter of the resistance to his administration. She is also one of the loudest, most divisive voices attacking Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Clinton's onetime Democratic primary opponent, and his left-wing supporters.

Well after the primary, Albright continues to claim that Sanders is a fraud, a liar, racist and corrupt, among many other things. In one instance she declared that the policy idea of free college, as promoted by Sanders, was racist. This provoked Sanders supporters to argue back.

Trevor, a Sanders supporter who declined to provide his last name for fear of being doxxed, but goes by @likingonline on Twitter, noticed a strange pattern of behavior when Albright responded to him. Her tweets addressing him were rapidly retweeted by the same series of accounts. This created a barrage of notifications making it look as though there was an avalanche of opposition to everything he said.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...rk-sally-albright_us_5aa2f548e4b07047bec68023

More at the link.

Centrists were also doing this during the primary and when hillary's emails were leaked it was revealed that centrists had been coordinating with various high profile liberal journalists to attack the left wing of the party. Looks like they haven't let up their antics and have no intention of doing so.
 

Geirskogul

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Oct 25, 2017
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Not at all surprising. The neolibs are second only to the alt-right at being masters of projection.

The same people screaming nonstop about Russia and Putin would have been the biggest cheerleaders of the billions of dollars given to Yeltsin by the U.S. and the IMF in the 1990's.
 

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This will happen in all sides

Right, far right, centrist, left, far left

Give any of those sides any semblance of power and theyll become intoxicated. Easy platforms to manipulate, like Twitter, will be abused.
 

Sho_Nuff82

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Twitter was, and is, a mistake. Letting bot traffic distort political discourse has no "good" uses.
 

JustinP

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Sounds like it was just one person that was caught and it's hard to tell how connected she is to the dem party (also she used to work for Newt Gingrich lol), though I wouldn't be surprised if she's not alone -- could imagine there might be some bot networks on Bernie's side too. Either way it's gross and it seems like Twitter should do something about it. Maybe make it obvious which tweets originate from the API, or at least which API they're using (so you'd know tweets coming from Tweetdeck are ok, but know to be suspicious of tweets that come from AI_TweeterPlus).
 

demondance

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Whenever people get over the top loud about something (bots controlling the discourse! Russians stole the election with bots!) you can set your watch to finding out they're heavily engaged in that very thing.
 

caff!!!

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Sounds like it was just one person that was caught and it's hard to tell how connected she is to the dem party, though I wouldn't be surprised if she's not alone -- could imagine there might be some bot networks on Bernie's side too. Either way it's gross and it seems like Twitter should do something about it. Maybe make it obvious which tweets originate from the API, or at least which API they're using (so you'd know tweets coming from Tweetdeck are ok, but know to be suspicious of tweets that come from AI_TweeterPlus).
Twitter used to show this on web, but removed it to look "more simple" or whatever bullshit. Secondly, most botted tweets usually come from common clients like tweetdeck or web rather than something very clearly showing spam intent.
 

EnronERA

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Oct 25, 2017
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i guarantee you this is happening in the other direction as well. Social media is a weapon
 

Foffy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Shocked, I tells ya, shocked.

It's like the real "left" that actually talks about massive reform has haters on "both sides" eh? ;)
 

lenovox1

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i guarantee you this is happening in the other direction as well. Social media is a weapon

By centrist Republicans or the far left? Yes and yes. Bots, specifically political activist bots, are one of the biggest problems Twitter has. Mostly because they are responsible for quite a bit of traffic and news coverage.
 

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Twitter allows users to automate their accounts, including setting up automatic retweeting and liking of other accounts.

Twitter actually facilitates this, what the fuck?

This isn't even "bots" in the traditional sense, it just recursive shit inside of twitter itself. wow.
 

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Not at all surprising. The neolibs are second only to the alt-right at being masters of projection.

The same people screaming nonstop about Russia and Putin would have been the biggest cheerleaders of the billions of dollars given to Yeltsin by the U.S. and the IMF in the 1990's.
I think you need to look up the definition of neoliberalism.
 

badcrumble

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Sounds like it was just one person that was caught and it's hard to tell how connected she is to the dem party (also she used to work for Newt Gingrich lol), though I wouldn't be surprised if she's not alone -- could imagine there might be some bot networks on Bernie's side too. Either way it's gross and it seems like Twitter should do something about it. Maybe make it obvious which tweets originate from the API, or at least which API they're using (so you'd know tweets coming from Tweetdeck are ok, but know to be suspicious of tweets that come from AI_TweeterPlus).
This is basically what the ShareBlue network does.
 

platocplx

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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...rk-sally-albright_us_5aa2f548e4b07047bec68023

More at the link.

Centrists were also doing this during the primary and when hillary's emails were leaked it was revealed that centrists had been coordinating with various high profile liberal journalists to attack the left wing of the party. Looks like they haven't let up their antics and have no intention of doing so.

While yes this is a widespread issue. Lets also temper this vs a entire state putting their power behind this vs individuals. Overall a lot of this shit could be fixed if social media companies tightened up their APIs etc. But it is also alarming how easy it can be for even just an individual to start peddling ideologies regardless of the side they are on.
 

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Seriously. Until they crack down on this it's going to be an issue across the political spectrum.

Well, at least one person on the left used bots against the right. Truth is, bots are evolving and will spread propaganda via telephone talk and webcam conversations with fake pure digital people. People who pay for phone and webcam porn will be the most vulnerable.
 

JustinP

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This is basically what the ShareBlue network does.
I wouldn't say this is conclusive that ShareBlue is an active participant in this:

The writers at Shareblue, a pro-Democratic Party news site that supported Clinton in the primary and general elections, were also frequently retweeted by the network of fake accounts, particularly when the Shareblue folks had something negative to say about Sanders. A spokeswoman for Shareblue told HuffPost that the company does not create sock-puppet accounts and has never worked with Albright.

It's possible they're lying, but it could just be Albright's doing -- Shareblue wouldn't be able to stop her if she was acting on her own.
 
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No surprise. Centrist Democrats hate the left more then they hate the GOP.

And I'm not doubting there are leftist bots because there have to be, just how many/how effective
 

blizzink

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While I'm happy at the recognition that there are more than two sides, it's a bit weird to "all sides" this. I doubt any major left organization is making direct use of bots the way that these establishment centrist types have been shown.

I wish I could say it's because my fellow leftists are so virtuous, but the answer is probably much more about the resources available to them.

Another aspect that of this story that hasn't been discussed yet ITT is how many of the bots have taken their photos from dead people.
 

Xe4

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In every part of the political spectrum you're going to have extremists (yes you can have centrist extremists, since being extreme is about action just as much as is it is position). Far left, far right, center left/right. It's wrong and gross no matter who does it.

It would be interesting to see a breakdown of bot activity by location on the political spectrum. Something tells me it would be everywhere but particularly clustered on the far left and far right. Twitter reslly needs to crack down on it.
 

Nephtes

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I remember reading Ender's Game in high school, laughing at the premise that two coordinated individuals on the internet could take over the world by debating each other and faking a bunch of attention...

I'm not laughing any more...
 

saenima

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I always saw most centrists as coy conservatives so no surprises here. Besides, centrists in the US are literally just right wing period.
 

badcrumble

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While I'm happy at the recognition that there are more than two sides, it's a bit weird to "all sides" this. I doubt any major left organization is making direct use of bots the way that these establishment centrist types have been shown.

I wish I could say it's because my fellow leftists are so virtuous, but the answer is probably much more about the resources available to them.

Another aspect that of this story that hasn't been discussed yet ITT is how many of the bots have taken their photos from dead people.
As someone who is pretty fucking far left, I think it's fine (and in fact strategically sensible) to admit that non-USA actors can and have (fairly ideologically agnostically) signal-boosted leftist messages within the US if they think they're divisive, but that (to take BLM or Standing Rock as examples) that doesn't mean the leftist message itself is bad, or that Russia should be the sole focus to the exclusion of those issues, et cetera et cetera.

Definitely agreed that the power to do this is commensurate with having the financial resources available and that that isn't common on the left itself.
 

KHarvey16

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's shocking to me how many of you just assume this is actually a centrist or moderate or however you want to describe them democrat with organically formed honest positions. Have we been paying attention?
 

GrizzleBoy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Twitter actually facilitates this, what the fuck?

This isn't even "bots" in the traditional sense, it just recursive shit inside of twitter itself. wow.
That is indeed some bullshit.

Maybe they should put certain tags on these tweets to show whether a person actually gives a shit about the content of their own tweet or whether they're just acting like an automated/intermediate gateway to someone else's Twitter feed.
 

JayC3

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Some context from a former Bernie staffer, who has also worked for moveon.org and was on the DNC transition committee:




Sally Albright isn't an "establishment Democrat". She's a former Gingrich staffer who tried to pose as a Democrat and is just a grifter. So no one who actually works on democratic campaigns has ever respected Sally Albright. She showed up at rootscamp and was creepy type.

Do we have any evidence that Albright has worked with any mainstream campaigns? I skimmed the article but didn't find anything. If not, she sounds mostly like an individual bad actor. Not that mainstream pols can't be bad actors or do bad things, but there doesn't seem to be some sort of systemic issue.
 
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blizzink

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Do we have any evidence that Albright has worked with any mainstream campaigns? I skimmed the article but didn't find anything. If not, she sounds mostly like an individual bad actor. Not that mainstream pols can't be bad actors or do bad things, but there doesn't seem to be some sort of systemic issue.

She worked for Gingrich. On her blog she referred to it as an unfortunate job that helped her pay her mortgage.
 

Powdered Egg

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Centrist Dems are just Republicans who want to win elections. They out here prayin Bernie doesn't live to see 2020. I'll give that man a spare organ if he needs it.
 

Red Cadet 015

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Bots should be highly regulated, and in many cases illegal. You have the right to speak freely. You don't have the right to artificially amplify your voice with money.
No surprise. Centrist Democrats hate the left more then they hate the GOP.
Preach. They'd rather go backwards than break new ground. They're scared. If they turn around, at least they'll have been there before.
 

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shameful but not at all surprising

one gets the feeling that centrist dems consider the left as much of an enemy as the far right
 

ArmsofSleep

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Some context from a former Bernie staffer, who has also worked for moveon.org and was on the DNC transition committee:






Do we have any evidence that Albright has worked with any mainstream campaigns? I skimmed the article but didn't find anything. If not, she sounds mostly like an individual bad actor. Not that mainstream pols can't be bad actors or do bad things, but there doesn't seem to be some sort of systemic issue.


She worked for the Clintons as far back as atleast 96-97, but also worked for Gingrich and a few other folks here and there. I think it's cooled off a bit, but she was one of the most central figures of the whole left primary Twitter war last year (and was definitely tight with the Joy Ann Reid types of media people with actual clout)
 

Akira86

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This shouldn't surprise anyone. Especially the leftists being attacked. Moderate dems have been at it since before 2012.
 

Nassudan

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I wish these so called "neo" libs would just hop over to the republican party already, they're essentially conservative in all but name.
 
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