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How can there be a chunk of the Death Star on Endor despite the fact it exploded?
- Thread starter DiipuSurotu
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I always assumed it was the planet Endor, whose forested moon hadn't been properly named by the Empire because of colonialism. They just got there and only noticed the Ewoks and assumed it was some backwoods dump.
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The bigger question:
Is that really DS2 cause that thing had a dish diameter of 40km and that shot has some serious cloud ceiling/fog/scale issues if it is.
And is that really Endor? It HAS to be right?
To me this thing feels like a case of nice looking, but rather nonsensical concept art piece that a director like JJ sees on a tour of the art department and thinks "this is gonna be great!" and finally has inspiration for an idea for the 3rd act.
We already discussed that, the chunk could just be very far from Rey's location and the atmosphere on Endor could just be different than Earth's.
I knew it looked small!The bigger question:
Is that really DS2 cause that thing had a dish diameter of 40km and that shot has some serious cloud ceiling/fog/scale issues if it is.
And is that really Endor? It HAS to be right?
To me this thing feels like a case of nice looking, but rather nonsensical concept art piece that a director like JJ sees on a tour of the art department and thinks "this is gonna be great!" and finally has inspiration for an idea for the 3rd act.
It's explained in the Wookiepedia:
So you can safely assume it's not Endor where the dish landed and, therefore, it's not Endor what is shown in the trailer.
I concur with the quandary.
We don't have to assume it is the DS2.
Although I believe in Bloodlines, it is mentioned that Alderaan refugees appropriate the DS wreckage to build a habitat.
It does LOOK good, I'll be interested to see if it's even the same death star or if it's not even Endor.. but it could be as lame as the magical-splitting planet killing lazor from TFA. JJ seems to favour drama and visual drama over whether something makes sense.
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While I'm not saying it's DS1 either (who knows - there was probably prototypes too) The DS1 had the line as well - pic is from StarWars.com
OP I'll admit I had the exact same thought, because that explosion in ROTJ is instantaneous and completely thorough. It looks like it vaporizes the entirety of the Death Star. The real answer is that the VFX shot isn't strictly canon, and hasn't been for a while now (see BF II). It's more like a... visual retcon, or something. There is no hidden in-universe explanation.
The movies are dramatized retellings of legends told through generations that's why not everything is entirely accurate in its depiction.
This just shows how low the series went. There's no respect at all with any of the OT material, incredible that they just go and retcon anything.
This film's not going to work at all, it'll be worse than the unforgivable TLJ.
This film's not going to work at all, it'll be worse than the unforgivable TLJ.
When did cinemasins make an era account? It would be stranger if there was no debris from the destruction of an object that massive.
After briefly rewatching the scene, strictly speaking we do not see the explosion actually end, and confirming to what extent there is (large) debris - the movie cuts away from that. So I imagine the rationale here is that once the explosion itself had faded - having engulfed the entire structure at the moment of detonation - then you had to massive husk in orbit.
Assuming it's the DS2 anyway. Haven't double checked the Yavin depiction.
Assuming it's the DS2 anyway. Haven't double checked the Yavin depiction.
When big things blow up, they don't just instantly vaporise:
Something on the absurd scale of the DS II exploding from the inside out would create a lot of large pieces of debris.
Something on the absurd scale of the DS II exploding from the inside out would create a lot of large pieces of debris.
If you really want to look at it realistically, I'm sure physics experts would say that even an explosion of that magnitude wouldn't disintegrate the shell of such a huge structure.
Regarding the footage from Jedi, that was many decades ago and the explosion itself would've sent things flying so fast, they couldn't be seen with the naked human eye.
Regarding the footage from Jedi, that was many decades ago and the explosion itself would've sent things flying so fast, they couldn't be seen with the naked human eye.
This meanwhile is the apparent canon answer:
But since that's a 'only mentioned on twitter' deal, I could see the potential for a retcon there.
Alternative theory what if it's not Death Star 1 & 2, nor StarKiller base
What if it's a Failed Death Star 3 that preceded StarKiller blown up pre force awakens and that was the reason for construction of StarKiller base?
I know too many Death Stars but it could explain why it is where it is, how it's that size etc etc and nothing at all to do with Palpatine, just something we see our hero's come across on their journey, whilst most of us thought that the whole Palpatine plot point hinges on the DeathStar 2 appearance, what if that's nothing at all , just something in the background?
What if it's a Failed Death Star 3 that preceded StarKiller blown up pre force awakens and that was the reason for construction of StarKiller base?
I know too many Death Stars but it could explain why it is where it is, how it's that size etc etc and nothing at all to do with Palpatine, just something we see our hero's come across on their journey, whilst most of us thought that the whole Palpatine plot point hinges on the DeathStar 2 appearance, what if that's nothing at all , just something in the background?
Probably because palps is in this movie in some way
One idea I guess would be that he's haunting where he died. I remember one of the old EU books had I think Luke orbiting Endor, and he felt great evil when the ship passed through where the death star blew up. Could be an idea similar to that.
Is it even Endor ? or could it be part of the original Death Star on another planet ?
Whichever and wherever it is, the explosion clearly sent parts of the Death Star flying through space, it didn't just disintegrate.
Whichever and wherever it is, the explosion clearly sent parts of the Death Star flying through space, it didn't just disintegrate.
Has it been confirmed that they were on Endor, and not Yavin?
I mean, Leia was holding a medal in the trailer that she gave to Han on Yavin after they blew up the 1st Death Star.
Edit - Jesus Christ autocorrect!
I mean, Leia was holding a medal in the trailer that she gave to Han on Yavin after they blew up the 1st Death Star.
Edit - Jesus Christ autocorrect!
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Thank you. That's the only reply that makes sense and I can agree with it!
As for why the falling chunks didn't cause any visible destruction:
This meanwhile is the apparent canon answer:
But since that's a 'only mentioned on twitter' deal, I could see the potential for a retcon there.
^ I guess this is the explanation.
Fuck a movie called Star Wars about mystical space wizards, laser swords, and camp robots for being unrealistic huh?
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Wait, are you suggesting Han didn't keep the medal and just left it on Yavin?
Why wouldn't Leia have it as a keepsake? Same with Luke and the dice?
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I'm just confused as to how that would mean the scene is on Yavin.