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How can there be a chunk of the Death Star on Endor despite the fact it exploded?
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You forgot, this is Resetera where literally everything is spoilers.
The movies show massive explosions engulfing both Death Stars.
You don't see the entire middle/bottom section of the Death Star II break away from the other pieces, the entire surface area is blown up. You don't see that massive section fly off either in space shots or from the moon's surface.
On-screen action is acceptable movie logic. In that sense, the submerged Death Star is also acceptable. They just chose to ignore that it was basically disintegrated.
I think the ROTJ explosion tachion shifted parts of the first DS right when that thing blew up... that's why you see no debris! It rhymes!
These films are adaptations of a a story from a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. Unfortunately due to real life concerns like budgets or the limitations of special effects, sometimes the events can't be portrayed as accurately as the filmmakers would like and sometimes there are minor inconsistencies.
I just like the fact that yub nub failed to point out that there was a cataclysmic crash of debris
Do you think Alderaan also "basically disintegrated" since it had the same fidelity explosion as the Death Star? Despite the Falcon explicitly coming out of hyperspace in it's debris field?
Unless they show that there are significant chunks of Alderaan left, it was reduced to nothing.
The Falcon probably wasn't even in as much danger as it was in the asteroid field in ESB.
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The explosion was from the reactor therefore it was inside-out. The force of explosion would have torn the death star up like a fragmentation grenade, sending pieces everywhere.
The film is a rough re-enactment of the rebels victory over the empire circa 1295 AE, and the movie budget could not capture the realistic breaking up of a space station that size. Perhaps in remakes down the road as CGI artists become better, and perhaps with a real physicist to oversee the SFX we will be given a better representation of the historical Death Star II explosion.
The explosion was from the reactor therefore it was inside-out. The force of explosion would have torn the death star up like a fragmentation grenade, sending pieces everywhere.
The film is a rough re-enactment of the rebels victory over the empire circa 1295 AE, and the movie budget could not capture the realistic breaking up of a space station that size. Perhaps in remakes down the road as CGI artists become better, and perhaps with a real physicist to oversee the SFX we will be given a better representation of the historical Death Star II explosion.
I'm more upset everyone in the Star Wars universe uses shoulder/messenger type bags over backpacks. They're terrible on your shoulders and back if you're walking anywhere more than 30 minutes. I bet Poe and Finn have awful posture.
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Because the movie was old as shit and they didn't have the technology to do a Gravity esque explosion
I don't know how you arrived at that conclusion because you're wrong. In canon, both old and new, and in the movie itself its established that Alderaan left a large debris field. It wasn't reduced to nothing.
The explosion seemed pretty thorough in ROTJ. If a huge chunk that was almost half the size of the Death Star fell we would have seen it.
In addition, wouldn't such a huge chunk have caused a massive earthquake (or even worse, an extinction event) on Endor? It doesn't seem to fit the end of ROTJ where the characters are just partying in a rather calm forest setting.
Just another plank in the Chewbacca Defence.
Fiction doesn't need to be consistent or beholden to real things to be successful
No one is making concessions for you because you ignore trailers
If we're gonna nitpick the fuck out of things, then why are all the Jedi in the PT wearing outfits similar to Obi Wan's desert robes? If Obi Wan wanted to hide out and go unnoticed, wouldn't he wear something that blends in with the locals, like those robes, rather than wearing the outfit of a Jedi? What exactly was Luke wearing when he returned as a Jedi?
The entire saga is a mess held together with duct tape.
One of the many EU comics that are no longer canon was that the Rebel fleet intercepted the falling debris, so even in old canon, there was debris from the Death Star.
So they didn't give a fuck even before Lucas sold Star Wars away so let's not act like this is something that's exclusively JJ's fault.
So they didn't give a fuck even before Lucas sold Star Wars away so let's not act like this is something that's exclusively JJ's fault.
Sure it's a bit of a stretch but not so much that it becomes an issue for anyone being reasonable.
Also Battlefront 2 made it canon that it was not just vaporized and a whole lot of space junk resulted from the explosion.
Let's just say a few big chunks were engulfed by the flames of the explosion faster than they could fly away, and so were not immediately visible.
Or, alternatively...
As for where it landed, well, the gas giant Endor has 9 moons. The one in RotJ is called the "forest moon" of Endor. Maybe there's a "rocky ocean" moon of Endor. Or maybe the forest moon has an ocean somewhere. Or maybe the crash of a giant piece of moon sized metal changed the climate of one portion. Or it floated around in the system and got picked up by another planet's gravitational force sometime in the last couple decades. Wherever it ends up, it will be easy to explain.
Or it will end up in another planetary system entirely. We know how JJ feels and space and long distances.
Also Battlefront 2 made it canon that it was not just vaporized and a whole lot of space junk resulted from the explosion.
Let's just say a few big chunks were engulfed by the flames of the explosion faster than they could fly away, and so were not immediately visible.
Or, alternatively...
As for where it landed, well, the gas giant Endor has 9 moons. The one in RotJ is called the "forest moon" of Endor. Maybe there's a "rocky ocean" moon of Endor. Or maybe the forest moon has an ocean somewhere. Or maybe the crash of a giant piece of moon sized metal changed the climate of one portion. Or it floated around in the system and got picked up by another planet's gravitational force sometime in the last couple decades. Wherever it ends up, it will be easy to explain.
Or it will end up in another planetary system entirely. We know how JJ feels and space and long distances.
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I can't really express how this thread makes me feel...so here's Daniel Day Lewis to do it for me;
The Simpson's skewered this kind of shit decades ago...how is it still a thing? 1997, 22 years ago! Who saw those nerds complaining about xylophone ribs and decided "Yeah, let's watch everything through THAT lens! That'll make everything more enjoyable for everyone!"?
This isn't magic xylophone, it's a legitimate question. You can assume in movies that things you aren't shown didn't happen, so when later movies decide that they in fact did happen, it leads to questions.
I'd kind of prefer it go to Yavin IV, honestly. See if they can re-canonize the ancient Sith who built the Massassi temples used by the rebels on Yavin IV.
Not gonna happen but I can dream.
This thread makes me feel for film makers. Imagine having to make a movie knowing some of your audience has the object permanence of a toddler.
The bigger question:
Is that really DS2 cause that thing had a dish diameter of 40km and that shot has some serious cloud ceiling/fog/scale issues if it is.
And is that really Endor? It HAS to be right?
To me this thing feels like a case of nice looking, but rather nonsensical concept art piece that a director like JJ sees on a tour of the art department and thinks "this is gonna be great!" and finally has inspiration for an idea for the 3rd act.
If that size is correct then crashing down on the planet would be an extinction level event, surely?
if they kill all the ewoks then this trilogy was worth it
eat dirt, wickett
When did that happen? None of the characters in Star Wars were shown being born. How does that make for reasonable assumptions?
What's not shown in the text creates a tension between the author's intent and the viewer's expectations. Nobody assumes that Kirk and Spock never use the toilet, and I think most people would find it weird if a later work revealed that transporter technology has replaced plumbing.
But people do give a shit about Ewoks, which I believe is what this thread is stealthily about.
If huge chunks fell on Endor, then the Ewoks are very much not okay.
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GRRAAAHH why do you nerds care about consistency in stories?? lmao there are pew pew guns in that series, therefore it doesn't matter. checkmate, purists ;)
This is more what I meant, not a lack of object permanence, but that things that should have narrative significance are shown happening. If it's not shown happening, it doesn't have narrative significance. In your example, the only characters in Star Wars we see being born, or whose circumstances of birth are mentioned, are Anakin, Luke, and Leia, and those are the ones whose circumstances of birth are significant to the narrative. We don't care how, say, Han Solo was born. Not even his origin movie cares about that. But we know it happened.
The Death Star's explosion seems thorough. That's why there was no Endor holocaust because as far as the narrative was concerned, that wasn't an issue. To bring it back now raises questions that are worth exploring because it creates tension between the viewer's expectations (Death Star is gone completely) and what we now see to be the case.
Truthfully, something as large as the Death Star would not be vaporized from the explosion. :P
Yup, which is why JJ doesn't give a fuck and quite frankly it's a detail that's not worth wasting mental energy on.
I know you think I should agree with you, but I don't see narrative significance as something that should always be foreshadowed. Steerpike only gradually evolves into the villain of Gormenghast. Likewise with little Annakin in the prequels. And sometimes it's okay to resort to retcon, as with the entirety of Captain Marvel.
Way back in the before times, there were a lot of questions about what the exploding Death Star would've done to Endor. I remember an old site in the '90s that went into the physics of the explosion, as well as radiation concerns, but the earliest summary I can find is here: https://www.theforce.net/swtc/holocaust.html. This is how it begins:
It even speculated on the size and number of debris that fell down upon Endor:
In summary, we've been ridiculous about this stuff for a very long time.
It even speculated on the size and number of debris that fell down upon Endor:
In summary, we've been ridiculous about this stuff for a very long time.
Did you guys watch Star Trek Into Darkness? The movie where they travel to opposite sides of the galaxy in like one day? Or the movie with this scene?
Or the Force Awakens? When Han and Chewie can somehow see the laser destroying the solar system while standing on a planet that's not in that solar system?
JJ clearly just doesn't care about this kind of stuff if it gets in the way of the story.
Or the Force Awakens? When Han and Chewie can somehow see the laser destroying the solar system while standing on a planet that's not in that solar system?
JJ clearly just doesn't care about this kind of stuff if it gets in the way of the story.
I have a better explanation, it's just far away.The bigger question:
Is that really DS2 cause that thing had a dish diameter of 40km and that shot has some serious cloud ceiling/fog/scale issues if it is.
And is that really Endor? It HAS to be right?
To me this thing feels like a case of nice looking, but rather nonsensical concept art piece that a director like JJ sees on a tour of the art department and thinks "this is gonna be great!" and finally has inspiration for an idea for the 3rd act.
What's wrong with the spacesuit jump scene? Lore wise atleast.